Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 1.8 grams would treat a gallon Mike Lawson http://www.soaperschoice.com In adding T-50, in what amount would you suggest per " gallon " of oil. Post message: Cosmeticinfo Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 >1.8 grams would treat a gallon > >Mike Lawsonÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ > >http://www.soaperschoice.com > >In adding T-50, in what amount would you suggest per " gallon " of oil.ÿ Mike, Could your calculation be off? Or did I miscalculate? According to Cognis, Coviox T-50 is an effective natural anti-oxidant for personal care applications such as creams, lotions, lip balms and sticks, essential oils, and soap bars. Normal use levels are between 0.5-1.5%. Base on my quick calculations, 1.8 grams per gallon is approximately equal to 0.05%. For my calculations, I use a density of .92 grams per mL, or 7.677 lbs per gallon. According to Roche: alpha Tocopherol is used as an antioxidant in concentrations of 0.05 to 0.2%. Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Maurice wrote: <For my calculations, I use a density of .92 grams per mL, or 7.677 lbs per gallon.> Huh? Are you saying that I would put 7.6 + lbs. per Gallon? JP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2003 Report Share Posted March 19, 2003 Maurice, Our normal usage is to 250ppm at 50 % concentration which equals .05% Which is the same amount you came up with . We only treat oils so, I cant comment on other products . Mike Lawson Columbus Foods / Soaper's Choice Base Oils , Soap Base , Mango , Shea , Cocoa Butters and More Toll Free :x230 Chicago, Illinois 60612 http://www.soaperschoice.com Re: Tocopherols >1.8 grams would treat a gallon > >Mike Lawsonÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ > >http://www.soaperschoice.com > >In adding T-50, in what amount would you suggest per " gallon " of oil.ÿ Mike, Could your calculation be off? Or did I miscalculate? According to Cognis, Coviox T-50 is an effective natural anti-oxidant for personal care applications such as creams, lotions, lip balms and sticks, essential oils, and soap bars. Normal use levels are between 0.5-1.5%. Base on my quick calculations, 1.8 grams per gallon is approximately equal to 0.05%. For my calculations, I use a density of .92 grams per mL, or 7.677 lbs per gallon. According to Roche: alpha Tocopherol is used as an antioxidant in concentrations of 0.05 to 0.2%. Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 In a message dated 3/20/03 7:52:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, maurice@... writes: > Cognis, the manufacturer of Covi-ox T-50, describes this raw material as " an > effective natural anti-oxidant for personal care applications such as > creams, lotions, lip balms and > sticks, essential oils, and soap bars. Normal use levels are between > 0.5-1.5%. " > > When Mike said to use 1.8 grams per one gallon of oil, it seemed on the low > side. To be sure, I had to calculate the weight of one gallon of oil. To > convert gallons to weight, > you need to know the density of the oil. I used a density of .92 grams per > mL or 7.677 lbs per gallon. > Hi, Maurice, I think this is what you are saying-- if the gallon of oil weighed 7.677 lbs, somewhere between 1 and 3.3 grams of the Coviox T-50 mixed tocopherols could be used to treat the gallon of oil? Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 In a message dated 3/20/03 8:32:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, AngiesHerbarie writes: > >> Cognis, the manufacturer of Covi-ox T-50, describes this raw material as >> " an effective natural anti-oxidant for personal care applications such as >> creams, lotions, lip balms and >> sticks, essential oils, and soap bars. Normal use levels are between >> 0.5-1.5%. " >> >> When Mike said to use 1.8 grams per one gallon of oil, it seemed on the >> low side. To be sure, I had to calculate the weight of one gallon of oil. >> To convert gallons to weight, >> you need to know the density of the oil. I used a density of .92 grams >> per mL or 7.677 lbs per gallon. >> > > Hi, > Maurice, I think this is what you are saying-- if the gallon of oil weighed > 7.677 lbs, somewhere between 1 and 3.3 grams of the Coviox T-50 mixed > tocopherols could be used to treat the gallon of oil? > > Angie Hi Again, Well, it's too bad I'm such a poor mathematician. It looks like I should have come up with anywhere from 17grams at 0.5% to 35grams at 1% to about 52grams at 1.5%. Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 In a message dated 3/20/03 8:52:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, jenwelch@... writes: > Angie, > If the oil is 7.677 lbs to the gallon, that would be 3482 grams (3.482 > kilos). At 0.5%, you'd need 17.41 grams of Covi-Ox T50 at the low end and > 52.53 grams at the high end, per gallon treated. That's why 1.8 grams > seems > too low. I've been treating my oils at 0.5%, so I was surprised at this > low > number, too. > Jen > > Hi Jen, Yeah, that's what I get for trying to do a quick math calculation while I'm doing 10 other things . From what I have seen/read, it does look like 0.5-1% should do it....at least with the Coviox T-50. Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 >Maurice wrote: <For my calculations, I use a density of .92 grams per mL, or >7.677 lbs per gallon.> > >Huh? Are you saying that I would put 7.6 + lbs. per Gallon? NO! I am not saying that. If you remember >1.8 grams would treat a gallon Cognis, the manufacturer of Covi-ox T-50, describes this raw material as " an effective natural anti-oxidant for personal care applications such as creams, lotions, lip balms and sticks, essential oils, and soap bars. Normal use levels are between 0.5-1.5%. " When Mike said to use 1.8 grams per one gallon of oil, it seemed on the low side. To be sure, I had to calculate the weight of one gallon of oil. To convert gallons to weight, you need to know the density of the oil. I used a density of .92 grams per mL or 7.677 lbs per gallon. Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Ok to make it clear. T5O is recommended @ 0.5-1.5%. 7.677 lbs per gallon = 123 ounces (rounded off) 0.5% (.005) = .615 ounces 1% (.01) = 1.23 ounces 1.5% (.015) = 1.89 ounces At $30 a pound for T50 1 ounce costs $1.88 Food for thought. Bobbi Guerra The Purple Sage Fine Hand Made Bath & Body Products www.thepurplesage.com - Coming Soon! > > > >Maurice wrote: <For my calculations, I use a density of .92 grams per mL, or > >7.677 lbs per gallon.> > > > >Huh? Are you saying that I would put 7.6 + lbs. per Gallon? > > NO! I am not saying that. If you remember > > > > >1.8 grams would treat a gallon > > Cognis, the manufacturer of Covi-ox T-50, describes this raw material as " an effective natural anti-oxidant for personal care applications such as creams, lotions, lip balms and > sticks, essential oils, and soap bars. Normal use levels are between 0.5-1.5%. " > > When Mike said to use 1.8 grams per one gallon of oil, it seemed on the low side. To be sure, I had to calculate the weight of one gallon of oil. To convert gallons to weight, > you need to know the density of the oil. I used a density of .92 grams per mL or 7.677 lbs per gallon. > > Maurice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Angie, If the oil is 7.677 lbs to the gallon, that would be 3482 grams (3.482 kilos). At 0.5%, you'd need 17.41 grams of Covi-Ox T50 at the low end and 52.53 grams at the high end, per gallon treated. That's why 1.8 grams seems too low. I've been treating my oils at 0.5%, so I was surprised at this low number, too. Jen Angie wrote: > > Hi, > Maurice, I think this is what you are saying-- if the gallon of oil weighed > 7.677 lbs, somewhere between 1 and 3.3 grams of the Coviox T-50 mixed > tocopherols could be used to treat the gallon of oil? > > Angie > In a message dated 3/20/03 7:52:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, > maurice@... writes: > > > Cognis, the manufacturer of Covi-ox T-50, describes this raw material as " an > > effective natural anti-oxidant for personal care applications such as > > creams, lotions, lip balms and > > sticks, essential oils, and soap bars. Normal use levels are between > > 0.5-1.5%. " > > > > When Mike said to use 1.8 grams per one gallon of oil, it seemed on the low > > side. To be sure, I had to calculate the weight of one gallon of oil. To > > convert gallons to weight, > > you need to know the density of the oil. I used a density of .92 grams per > > mL or 7.677 lbs per gallon. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 LOL, I see you " got " , too, right after I posted! Jen > > Angie > > Hi Again, > Well, it's too bad I'm such a poor mathematician. It looks like I should > have come up with anywhere from 17grams at 0.5% to 35grams at 1% to about > 52grams at 1.5%. > > Angie > The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care > Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality > at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 > When Mike said to use 1.8 grams per one gallon of oil, it seemed on the low side. To be sure, I had to calculate the weight of one gallon of oil. I spoke with the chemist at Columbus Foods this morning. The numbers Mike quoted is what you would get if you told them to add T-50 without specifying the percentage that you wanted. Like any good business person, Mike will add whatever the customer directs him to add. Many chemists that work with oils are of the impression that it is a waste of money to add T-50 to oil that is going to be used to make soap. After several years on various soap lists it is not unusual to hear a soaper say that they have soap that is several years old without signs of rancidity and no antioxidant was used. While this may be so with bar soap (with little or no lye discount) it is a different story with lotions and creams, etc. where the oil is not turned into a soap. For our type of business we should be using the manufacturers recommended use levels, which in the case of Covi-ox T-50 is 0.5% to 1.5%. For those of you that want to view the manufacturers technical data sheet, you will find it in the ingredient folder of the files section. When I managed to get off the soap subject with the chemist at Columbus and on the lotion/cream subject, she was in agreement with the higher levels. The bottom line is; don't assume that the person you are buying your oil from knows everything that you intend using the oil for. If you want somebody to add additives to your oils then it is up to you to determine which additives and at what percentage. Pat. Peace, Joy, Serenity House of Scents tm. Body Oils, Fragrance Oils, Incense, Candles, Soap, Etc. pat@... http://www.houseofscents.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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