Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 It is the Natrasorb Product from Snowdrift Farms. I have been talking to them about it, she says: Adding Natrasorb to this type of product, whether it is made from salt or sugar, improves the feel on the skin when the product is applied. Also, you do not have that dripping quality to the oil as you remove the scrub from the jar, nor as much slippery-ness to the shower floor. Finally, Natrasorb helps prevent spillage in these products when they are shipped, by absorbing the excess oil. What do you think about the absorption of the excess oil, this is the only reason I would try it. Also, thank you for the natural scrubber ideas, I do use some of these, but what I meant was adding another ingredient for the free oil issue, I was trying to go with something natural, this sounds nice if it will work! Baird Paradise Valley Natural Skincare www.soapessentials.com > What is the trade name? I couldn't find a listing an INCI listing for Wheat Starch Modified. There are INCI listings for Potato Starch Modified and Corn Starch Modified but there > was no listing for Wheat Starch Modified. > > > Maurice > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Maurice O. Hevey > Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. > http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Post message: Cosmeticinfo > Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe > List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 That's interesting...for some reason I always thought Natrasorb was modified tapioca starch. But they do say wheat. Hmm. Merin > It is the Natrasorb Product from Snowdrift Farms. I have been talking to > them about it, she says: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Yes Merin, I was looking at http://www.personalcarepolymers.com/Site/ProdView.asp?ID=0281825 and see that they are tapioca starches so I have emailed them to see exactly what they carry/recommend. Baird Paradise Valley Natural Skincare www.soapessentials.com > That's interesting...for some reason I always thought Natrasorb was modified > tapioca starch. But they do say wheat. Hmm. > > Merin > > > It is the Natrasorb Product from Snowdrift Farms. I have been talking to > > them about it, she says: > > > Post message: Cosmeticinfo > Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe > List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 >That's interesting...for some reason I always thought Natrasorb was modified >tapioca starch. But they do say wheat. Hmm. From time to time, Snowdrift Frams is known to misrepresent the products they sell. Many of the misreprentations are documented in the message archives. Maurice -------------------------------------------------------- Maurice O. Hevey Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com ------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Maurice, given this fact which I was not aware of, would you think modified tapioca starch might be a better solution, or do you see anything wrong with trying a wheat starch product? Having never seen them I don't know what the difference in texture/oil absorbancy might be. Baird Paradise Valley Natural Skincare www.soapessentials.com > > From time to time, Snowdrift Frams is known to misrepresent the products they sell. Many of the misreprentations are documented in the message archives. > > Maurice > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Maurice O. Hevey > Convergent Cosmetics, Inc. > http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Post message: Cosmeticinfo > Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe > List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 > > > >I am thinking of ordering a product, INCI name wheat starch, modified; ************* > I don't know hardly anything compared to any of you people here, but I was just reading on another list something about cellulose powder as a thickener. I did request that poster to email info on that product, along with supplier. Is this maybe to what you are referring? WIllow > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 In a message dated 2/17/03 5:48:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, cbaird@... writes: > Sigh. Thanks for your input, I will continue to try to search for > something that seems a bit " natural " and might achieve this effect, also > that is an affordable ingredient. Thank you for all your advise! If you > have something you think might be worth a shot I would love to hear about > it, as I am not getting anywhere on the more secure container issue yet. > Baird > Paradise Valley Natural Skincare > www.soapessentials.com > Hi , There are several ways to make thick salt scrubs. I have a couple of formulas that you may want to try. Here is one: <A HREF= " http://www.theherbarie.com/herbarie-formulary.html#SheaScrub " > http://www.theherbarie.com/herbarie-formulary.html#SheaScrub</A> I also have a glycerin scrub that includes the Conditioning Emulsifier (benhentrimonium methosulfate and cetearyl alcohol) if you are interested. Natrasorb W (a modified tapioca starch), which is a National Starch product will absorb oils and acts as a binder in anhydrous products like lipstick, deodorant or pressed powders (according to their site). I think it would be worth a try in a salt scrub as a binder. Natrasorb Bath, a National Starch product, is also a modified tapioca starch, we sell it at The Herbarie as NatraBath. It will also absorb carrier oils and essential oils and then disperses into the bathwater. It is wonderful to use as part of a bath salts blend or alone, but I don't recommend it for salt scrubs. But then I haven't tried it either It may work? Natrasorb from Snowdrift Farms is obviously not either one of these products since it is modified wheat starch. This would be comparing apples and oranges. But if it looks like it may work, you may want to give it a try. I am a proponent of trying it all before I decide. Also, many companies use their own tradenames and that's what Snowdrift Farms has apparently done. Almost all companies do this from Croda to The Herbarie. It is very important to always know the INCI name, but even if the INCI names are the same, two products from different manufacturers can be different. Hope this helps. Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 > Maurice, given this fact which I was not aware of, would you think > modified tapioca starch might be a better solution, or do you see anything > wrong with trying a wheat starch product? Having never seen them I don't > know what the difference in texture/oil absorbancy might be. I've Natrasorb Bath (28-1828) http://www.personalcarepolymers.com/Site/ProdView.asp?ID=0281828 and Natrasorb W (28-1825) http://www.personalcarepolymers.com/Site/ProdView.asp?ID=0281825 and I don't believe these ingredients will thicken oils. Maurice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Sigh. Thanks for your input, I will continue to try to search for something that seems a bit " natural " and might achieve this effect, also that is an affordable ingredient. Thank you for all your advise! If you have something you think might be worth a shot I would love to hear about it, as I am not getting anywhere on the more secure container issue yet. Baird Paradise Valley Natural Skincare www.soapessentials.com > I've Natrasorb Bath (28-1828) > http://www.personalcarepolymers.com/Site/ProdView.asp?ID=0281828 > > and Natrasorb W (28-1825) > http://www.personalcarepolymers.com/Site/ProdView.asp?ID=0281825 and > I don't believe these ingredients will thicken oils. > > Maurice > > > Post message: Cosmeticinfo > Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe > List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner > URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 <<Also, many companies use their own tradenames and that's what Snowdrift Farms has apparently done. I think Angie is correct here. I've used the Natrasorb from Snowdrift Farms, they supplied it for one of our Gatherings. We demonstrated it in lotions, to avoid a greasy feel - and also added it to a body butter that had been supplied by another company. I was pleased with it in both uses. Would not have occurred to me to use it in a salt scrub....I've used other " powder type " ingredients in scrubs and not liked them. They tended to gum up/clump - as they absorbed the oil rather than dispersing evenly. Keep us posted if you try it! Jan Flood oakridge@... www.oakridgefarm.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Thank you Jan, Angie, et al for your advise! I am feeling motivated now and think you are right, I am going to order a bit of everything and try it in both the salt and sugar scrubs and just see, it doesn't seem to be that expensive and at least I will know. Will be reporting back:)! Jan Flood wrote:<Farms has apparently done. I think Angie is correct here. I've used the Natrasorb from Snowdrift Farms, they supplied it for one of our Gatherings. We demonstrated it in lotions, to avoid a greasy feel - and also added it to a body butter that had been supplied by another company. I was pleased with it in both uses. Would not have occurred to me to use it in a salt scrub....I've used other " powder type " ingredients in scrubs and not liked them. They tended to gum up/clump - as they absorbed the oil rather than dispersing evenly. Keep us posted if you try it! Jan Flood oakridge@... www.oakridgefarm.com Post message: Cosmeticinfo Subscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo Unsubscribe: Cosmeticinfo-unsubscribe List owner: Cosmeticinfo-owner URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cosmeticinfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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