Re: Sad day for India

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Hi

You are really angry and I can fully understand your feelings and sentiments

involved. As Indians we DO NOT deserve it nor does any innocent person killed

for the sake of religion/politics/terrorism etc.etc. I have been watching the

news channels over the last 24 hrs --and my heart goes out to all the people

caught up in this madness. I hope the politicians wake up finally and do

something about the security of the country.

I hope and pray that friends/family are safe.

Archana'82

To: mgims@...: monicalondon@...: Thu, 27 Nov 2008

13:32:19 +0000Subject: RE: Re: Sad day for India

Its a shame-and I feel so angry and frustrated it hurts.Terrorism is everywhere

yes-no one can stop a suicide bomber etc etc.But do we even try??The London

blasts happened -and a couple of weeks after that another series was foiled by

the security forces here.Constantly security is updated.Even then there are

failures and events happen.But atleast the govt has tried and then has the

sensitivity to try harder.What do we do-we talk give long heavily punctuated

statements on TV which seem to be scripted for such events specially and then

the next day everyone goes back to work.Life goes on.We take pride in that-they

wont destroy our spirit....blah blah blah.There is no will power or even a

desire to tackle any of this -votebank politics are far more attractive and

convenient.No one is accountable.My dad said to me yesterday was the 61st

anniversary of him leaving the shores of what is now Pakistan to set foot in

Bombay.Bombay is where I was born and bred like a lot of us in this group.I was

making plans with my friends in Bombay to go out to Leopold during my visit

there next month.Looking at the Taj-I remember going there with my cousin when I

was 15-sitting in Shamiana the coffee shop and ordering a Thums up for 7 rupees

which we shared-that is all we could afford-have been back umpteen times since

but never was a visit so special as that one.Atul and me both worked and met at

Bombay Hospital-a lot of our free time was spent at Leopold and Colaba.I feel

let down - as if someone has come to my home and destroyed it.But we must be

tolerant and we must appease-oh yes say that to the children of the policemen

who died yesterday.I wait now only for this to happen again and again and

again.May be we deserve

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Well said Kishoreda and Ameet.

Archana'82

To: mgims@...: kshahsky@...: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:36:59

+0530Subject: Re: Re: Sad day for India

I don't think that we should blame anybody for appeasement. No one should label

terrorism as Muslim terrorism or Hindu terrorism. These guys are not religious

at all.Probably in the heat of the moment, we might suggest, like Ravin did,

that we shoot these people in public. However, we are civilised and the law must

take its course. There is no doubt that by time this email is read most or all

the terrorist will be shot, but at what cost of innocent lives?Looking for

solutions? No easy ones are around. The main thing is not to let the terrorists

achieve their objective, which is spread of panic and heightening of religious

hatred. If we prevent that, then naturally the terrorists will have

failed!Kishore Shah 1974 RE: Re: Sad day for India>>

Its a shame-and I feel so angry and frustrated it hurts.Terrorism is >

everywhere yes-no one can stop a suicide bomber etc etc.But do we even >

try??The London blasts happened -and a couple of weeks after that another >

series was foiled by the security forces here.Constantly security is >

updated.Even then there are failures and events happen.But atleast the > govt

has tried and then has the sensitivity to try harder.> What do we do-we talk

give long heavily punctuated statements on TV which > seem to be scripted for

such events specially and then the next day > everyone goes back to work.Life

goes on.We take pride in that-they wont > destroy our spirit....blah blah

blah.There is no will power or even a > desire to tackle any of this -votebank

politics are far more attractive > and convenient.No one is accountable.> My dad

said to me yesterday was the 61st anniversary of him leaving the > shores of

what is now Pakistan to set foot in Bombay.Bombay is where I > was born and bred

like a lot of us in this group.I was making plans with > my friends in Bombay to

go out to Leopold during my visit there next > month.Looking at the Taj-I

remember going there with my cousin when I was > 15-sitting in Shamiana the

coffee shop and ordering a Thums up for 7 > rupees which we shared-that is all

we could afford-have been back umpteen > times since but never was a visit so

special as that one.Atul and me both > worked and met at Bombay Hospital-a lot

of our free time was spent at > Leopold and Colaba.I feel let down - as if

someone has come to my home and > destroyed it.> But we must be tolerant and we

must appease-oh yes say that to the > children of the policemen who died

yesterday.> I wait now only for this to happen again and again and again.May be

we > deserve it.> 82>

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Kishore,

Thats why I added " ...if you feel like it :-) "

Ravin '82

> Ravin,

> The message is great, but I wonder if it is a ploy by the website to gather

>

> more members / email addresses/ phone numbers. Why do they need all the

> details for signing a simple message?

>

>

> Kishore Shah 1974

>

> Re: Re: Sad day for India

>

> > Hello all! Take a look at this web page and sign the message if you feel

> > like it :-)

> >

> > http://www.avaaz.org/en/india_undivided/?cl=151932587 & v=2468

> >

> > Ravin '82

> >

> >

> >

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Ravin,

The message is great, but I wonder if it is a ploy by the website to gather

more members / email addresses/ phone numbers. Why do they need all the

details for signing a simple message?

Kishore Shah 1974

Re: Re: Sad day for India

> Hello all! Take a look at this web page and sign the message if you feel

> like it :-)

>

> http://www.avaaz.org/en/india_undivided/?cl=151932587 & v=2468

>

> Ravin '82

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ameet,

Your emotional letter said all.

VKGupta 76

> I don't think that we should blame anybody for appeasement. No one

> should

> label terrorism as Muslim terrorism or Hindu terrorism. These guys

> are not

> religious at all.

>

> Probably in the heat of the moment, we might suggest, like Ravin

> did, that

> we shoot these people in public. However, we are civilised and the

> law must

> take its course. There is no doubt that by time this email is read

> most or

> all the terrorist will be shot, but at what cost of innocent lives?

>

> Looking for solutions? No easy ones are around. The main thing is

> not to

> let the terrorists achieve their objective, which is spread of panic

> and

> heightening of religious hatred. If we prevent that, then naturally

> the

> terrorists will have failed!

>

> Kishore Shah 1974

>

> RE: Re: Sad day for India

>

> >

> > Its a shame-and I feel so angry and frustrated it hurts.Terrorism is

> > everywhere yes-no one can stop a suicide bomber etc etc.But do we

> even

> > try??The London blasts happened -and a couple of weeks after that

> another

> > series was foiled by the security forces here.Constantly security is

> > updated.Even then there are failures and events happen.But atleast

> the

> > govt has tried and then has the sensitivity to try harder.

> > What do we do-we talk give long heavily punctuated statements on

> TV which

> > seem to be scripted for such events specially and then the next day

> > everyone goes back to work.Life goes on.We take pride in that-they

> wont

> > destroy our spirit....blah blah blah.There is no will power or

> even a

> > desire to tackle any of this -votebank politics are far more

> attractive

> > and convenient.No one is accountable.

> > My dad said to me yesterday was the 61st anniversary of him

> leaving the

> > shores of what is now Pakistan to set foot in Bombay.Bombay is

> where I

> > was born and bred like a lot of us in this group.I was making

> plans with

> > my friends in Bombay to go out to Leopold during my visit there next

> > month.Looking at the Taj-I remember going there with my cousin

> when I was

> > 15-sitting in Shamiana the coffee shop and ordering a Thums up for 7

> > rupees which we shared-that is all we could afford-have been back

> umpteen

> > times since but never was a visit so special as that one.Atul and

> me both

> > worked and met at Bombay Hospital-a lot of our free time was spent

> at

> > Leopold and Colaba.I feel let down - as if someone has come to my

> home and

> > destroyed it.

> > But we must be tolerant and we must appease-oh yes say that to the

> > children of the policemen who died yesterday.

> > I wait now only for this to happen again and again and again.May

> be we

> > deserve it.

> > 82

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I too was up on Wed night watching the news as it unfolded. LP was

telling me to sleep as the next day was a full working day. Could not tear

myself awawy from the TV and was hoping the next person will say- it is all

over..... but it was not to be. I do not have family in Mumbai in the area-

but it all feels so close to home. It is indeed tragic. I understand that

there was news available beforehand re this plot. We shall have to wait and

see how the plot unfolds. The army etc were fabulous. Our politicians as

usual were inpotent. We cannot blame anyone- we choose our politicians.....

Malini

From: mgims [mailto:mgims ] On Behalf Of

ARCHANA DHIR

Sent: 27 November 2008 18:20

To: mgims

Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: Re: Sad day for India

Hi

You are really angry and I can fully understand your feelings and sentiments

involved. As Indians we DO NOT deserve it nor does any innocent person

killed for the sake of religion/politics/terrorism etc.etc. I have been

watching the news channels over the last 24 hrs --and my heart goes out to

all the people caught up in this madness. I hope the politicians wake up

finally and do something about the security of the country.

I hope and pray that friends/family are safe.

Archana'82

To: mgims@... <mailto:mgims%40yahoogroups.comFrom> :

monicalondon@... <mailto:monicalondon%40hotmail.comDate> : Thu,

27 Nov 2008 13:32:19 +0000Subject: RE: Re: Sad day for India

Its a shame-and I feel so angry and frustrated it hurts.Terrorism is

everywhere yes-no one can stop a suicide bomber etc etc.But do we even

try??The London blasts happened -and a couple of weeks after that another

series was foiled by the security forces here.Constantly security is

updated.Even then there are failures and events happen.But atleast the govt

has tried and then has the sensitivity to try harder.What do we do-we talk

give long heavily punctuated statements on TV which seem to be scripted for

such events specially and then the next day everyone goes back to work.Life

goes on.We take pride in that-they wont destroy our spirit....blah blah

blah.There is no will power or even a desire to tackle any of this -votebank

politics are far more attractive and convenient.No one is accountable.My dad

said to me yesterday was the 61st anniversary of him leaving the shores of

what is now Pakistan to set foot in Bombay.Bombay is where I was born and

bred like a lot of us in this group.I was making plans with my friends in

Bombay to go out to Leopold during my visit there next month.Looking at the

Taj-I remember going there with my cousin when I was 15-sitting in Shamiana

the coffee shop and ordering a Thums up for 7 rupees which we shared-that is

all we could afford-have been back umpteen times since but never was a visit

so special as that one.Atul and me both worked and met at Bombay Hospital-a

lot of our free time was spent at Leopold and Colaba.I feel let down - as if

someone has come to my home and destroyed it.But we must be tolerant and we

must appease-oh yes say that to the children of the policemen who died

yesterday.I wait now only for this to happen again and again and again.May

be we deserve

it.82__________________________________________________________See the

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I agree that there are no Hindu terrorists or Muslim terrorists. On the

other hand majority of the terrorist activities around the world are

perpetuated by 'Islamic Militants'. Should not the clerics and other

religious heads take it upon themselves to turn the image of their religion

around? If nobody is responsible then who is to be held to account for the

atrocities? We always take a mild approach- let them see by our behaviour/

they will understand etc etc. How do we let others know that if they were to

take the same route- punishment will be severe?

Malini

From: mgims [mailto:mgims ] On Behalf Of

ARCHANA DHIR

Sent: 27 November 2008 18:25

To: mgims

Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: Re: Sad day for India

Well said Kishoreda and Ameet.

Archana'82

To: mgims@... <mailto:mgims%40yahoogroups.comFrom> :

kshahsky@... <mailto:kshahsky%40gmail.comDate> : Thu, 27 Nov 2008

20:36:59 +0530Subject: Re: Re: Sad day for India

I don't think that we should blame anybody for appeasement. No one should

label terrorism as Muslim terrorism or Hindu terrorism. These guys are not

religious at all.Probably in the heat of the moment, we might suggest, like

Ravin did, that we shoot these people in public. However, we are civilised

and the law must take its course. There is no doubt that by time this email

is read most or all the terrorist will be shot, but at what cost of innocent

lives?Looking for solutions? No easy ones are around. The main thing is not

to let the terrorists achieve their objective, which is spread of panic and

heightening of religious hatred. If we prevent that, then naturally the

terrorists will have failed!Kishore Shah 1974 RE: Re: Sad day for India>> Its a

shame-and I feel so angry and frustrated it hurts.Terrorism is > everywhere

yes-no one can stop a suicide bomber etc etc.But do we even > try??The

London blasts happened -and a couple of weeks after that another > series

was foiled by the security forces here.Constantly security is > updated.Even

then there are failures and events happen.But atleast the > govt has tried

and then has the sensitivity to try harder.> What do we do-we talk give long

heavily punctuated statements on TV which > seem to be scripted for such

events specially and then the next day > everyone goes back to work.Life

goes on.We take pride in that-they wont > destroy our spirit....blah blah

blah.There is no will power or even a > desire to tackle any of this

-votebank politics are far more attractive > and convenient.No one is

accountable.> My dad said to me yesterday was the 61st anniversary of him

leaving the > shores of what is now Pakistan to set foot in Bombay.Bombay is

where I > was born and bred like a lot of us in this group.I was making

plans with > my friends in Bombay to go out to Leopold during my visit there

next > month.Looking at the Taj-I remember going there with my cousin when I

was > 15-sitting in Shamiana the coffee shop and ordering a Thums up for 7 >

rupees which we shared-that is all we could afford-have been back umpteen >

times since but never was a visit so special as that one.Atul and me both >

worked and met at Bombay Hospital-a lot of our free time was spent at >

Leopold and Colaba.I feel let down - as if someone has come to my home and >

destroyed it.> But we must be tolerant and we must appease-oh yes say that

to the > children of the policemen who died yesterday.> I wait now only for

this to happen again and again and again.May be we > deserve it.> 82>

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So then should we gouge an eye for an eye? Then, like some wiser people

before me have said, we will end up with a blind world!

Kishore Shah 1974

RE: RE: Re: Sad day for India

>I agree that there are no Hindu terrorists or Muslim terrorists. On the

> other hand majority of the terrorist activities around the world are

> perpetuated by 'Islamic Militants'. Should not the clerics and other

> religious heads take it upon themselves to turn the image of their

> religion

> around? If nobody is responsible then who is to be held to account for the

> atrocities? We always take a mild approach- let them see by our behaviour/

> they will understand etc etc. How do we let others know that if they were

> to

> take the same route- punishment will be severe?

> Malini

>

[Guest guest]

On the other hand if we let them off without reprisal what is to prevent

them from doing it again?

Malini

From: mgims [mailto:mgims ] On Behalf Of Shah

Sent: 28 November 2008 13:03

To: mgims

Subject: Re: RE: Re: Sad day for India

So then should we gouge an eye for an eye? Then, like some wiser people

before me have said, we will end up with a blind world!

Kishore Shah 1974

RE: RE: Re: Sad day for India

>I agree that there are no Hindu terrorists or Muslim terrorists. On the

> other hand majority of the terrorist activities around the world are

> perpetuated by 'Islamic Militants'. Should not the clerics and other

> religious heads take it upon themselves to turn the image of their

> religion

> around? If nobody is responsible then who is to be held to account for the

> atrocities? We always take a mild approach- let them see by our behaviour/

> they will understand etc etc. How do we let others know that if they were

> to

> take the same route- punishment will be severe?

> Malini

>

[Guest guest]

Kishore, it is not about killing other innocent people in exchange of the one's

that have been killed but to root out the ones organising this and in the

process like in any military or protracted police action from the

state, atrocities do happen as they happened in Punjab but atleast there is a

step towards getting young disgruntled easily influenced young folks to see the

folly of going that route!

Subject: Re: RE: Re: Sad day for India

To: mgims

Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 6:03 AM

So then should we gouge an eye for an eye? Then, like some wiser people

before me have said, we will end up with a blind world!

Kishore Shah 1974

RE: RE: Re: Sad day for India

>I agree that there are no Hindu terrorists or Muslim terrorists. On the

> other hand majority of the terrorist activities around the world are

> perpetuated by 'Islamic Militants'. Should not the clerics and other

> religious heads take it upon themselves to turn the image of their

> religion

> around? If nobody is responsible then who is to be held to account for the

> atrocities? We always take a mild approach- let them see by our behaviour/

> they will understand etc etc. How do we let others know that if they were

> to

> take the same route- punishment will be severe?

> Malini

>

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

No doubt it was a most disturbing day for anybody in the world. As we all

have closer

proximity to Mumbai geographically and sentimentally we feel it in a larger

magnitude.

The reactions from various sectors are as expected. At present whatever

action taken

by our police & other forces is correct and I salute them for the same.

But this is not the end. This will not end the terrorism. Are we going to

remember our

beloved Father of nation Mahatma Gandhi and his message? We should think in

terms

beyond caste, religion, faith, country, Language etc. and we should see to

it that nobody

of our children ( i,e, next generation) become terrorist. We should give

enough work &

livelihood to the next generation and thoughts which will be in terms of

humanity and

not religion or country or any thing else. The politicians are going to blow

fire and keeping

themselves safe they are going to play with life of innocent people. This

diplomacy is to

be understood by common people and we should not fall prey to propoganda.

How Panjab has calmed down ? How our Chalisgaon was calm when Dhule,

Aurangabad,

Jalgaon etc were burning with religious issues ? Some long run communal

harmony

/ understanding progarmme has to be implimented.

Mukund (1974)

[Guest guest]

I am speechless. Short of words...to express what I feel. The mayhem

continues..and it will recur..may be with more ferocity next time...We are an

impotent state, soft target for such strike because we lack patriotism,

nationalism that is required to tackle such problems..and this lack percolates

through the masses and the political class..WE NEED TO CHANGE..WE REALLY DO NEED

TO CHANGE THE COURSE OF OUR COUNTRY..

Mistaken are those who believe that India is on the verge of becoming a

superpower and economic giant..

It is really a miracle that India continues to breathe....despite the lack of

Oxygen....despite the attempts by our political class to suffocate Her...and

despite us...

Shah wrote:

I don't think that we should blame anybody for appeasement. No one

should

label terrorism as Muslim terrorism or Hindu terrorism. These guys are not

religious at all.

Probably in the heat of the moment, we might suggest, like Ravin did, that

we shoot these people in public. However, we are civilised and the law must

take its course. There is no doubt that by time this email is read most or

all the terrorist will be shot, but at what cost of innocent lives?

Looking for solutions? No easy ones are around. The main thing is not to

let the terrorists achieve their objective, which is spread of panic and

heightening of religious hatred. If we prevent that, then naturally the

terrorists will have failed!

Kishore Shah 1974

RE: Re: Sad day for India

>

> Its a shame-and I feel so angry and frustrated it hurts.Terrorism is

> everywhere yes-no one can stop a suicide bomber etc etc.But do we even

> try??The London blasts happened -and a couple of weeks after that another

> series was foiled by the security forces here.Constantly security is

> updated.Even then there are failures and events happen.But atleast the

> govt has tried and then has the sensitivity to try harder.

> What do we do-we talk give long heavily punctuated statements on TV which

> seem to be scripted for such events specially and then the next day

> everyone goes back to work.Life goes on.We take pride in that-they wont

> destroy our spirit....blah blah blah.There is no will power or even a

> desire to tackle any of this -votebank politics are far more attractive

> and convenient.No one is accountable.

> My dad said to me yesterday was the 61st anniversary of him leaving the

> shores of what is now Pakistan to set foot in Bombay.Bombay is where I

> was born and bred like a lot of us in this group.I was making plans with

> my friends in Bombay to go out to Leopold during my visit there next

> month.Looking at the Taj-I remember going there with my cousin when I was

> 15-sitting in Shamiana the coffee shop and ordering a Thums up for 7

> rupees which we shared-that is all we could afford-have been back umpteen

> times since but never was a visit so special as that one.Atul and me both

> worked and met at Bombay Hospital-a lot of our free time was spent at

> Leopold and Colaba.I feel let down - as if someone has come to my home and

> destroyed it.

> But we must be tolerant and we must appease-oh yes say that to the

> children of the policemen who died yesterday.

> I wait now only for this to happen again and again and again.May be we

> deserve it.

> 82

>

Balvinder Rana

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To: mgims@...: mukunddk@...: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:27:37

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Terrorists have no religion.Their only relegion is Gun and targets are innocent

people.Repeatedly and frequently the people are being attacked unaware. The

common men feel helpless. This situation has reached becuse of social /

political / relegious / misunderstanding or follies for which a heavy price is

being paid. But this is no time for going in to causes. What can be done so that

such events do not recur ? How the men from terrorist group got employment in

Taj just two day before the event? Is it not " Sifarish " due to which all norms

are given up?

We rent our vacant rooms / houses without varifying the bonafides and later

repent for the same.We get annoyed when we have to pass through metal detector

or when our baggage is checked at railway station or bus stand by people of

security. Let us correct ourselves.

How the credit cards (which were found in possesion of the terrorists as per

news) were issued by the Indian banks ,again without varification . What has

happened to our intellegence agencies? Let us be alert. Let us be together

without talking about " muslim terrorism or Hindu terrorism. We have to know who

our neighbours are and what they are doing.

All praise for the combined operation by police

/navy/military/commondos and of course the people who have dared by all means to

bring the situation under control and clearing the places of terrorists. Many

precious lives are lost. May God prvide peace to their souls. Let us pray that

better sense prevails to those Indians who might be hand & gloves with these

terrorists or playing in their hand for satisfying their greed.

Let us pray that the worst is over and tranquility will

descemd soon

OPGupta

Dear All,No doubt it was a most disturbing day for anybody in the world. As we

allhave closerproximity to Mumbai geographically and sentimentally we feel it in

a largermagnitude.The reactions from various sectors are as expected. At present

whateveraction takenby our police & other forces is correct and I salute them

for the same.But this is not the end. This will not end the terrorism. Are we

going toremember ourbeloved Father of nation Mahatma Gandhi and his message? We

should think intermsbeyond caste, religion, faith, country, Language etc. and we

should see toit that nobodyof our children ( i,e, next generation) become

terrorist. We should giveenough work & livelihood to the next generation and

thoughts which will be in terms ofhumanity andnot religion or country or any

thing else. The politicians are going to blowfire and keepingthemselves safe

they are going to play with life of innocent people. Thisdiplomacy is tobe

understood by common people and we should not fall prey to propoganda.How Panjab

has calmed down ? How our Chalisgaon was calm when Dhule,Aurangabad,Jalgaon etc

were burning with religious issues ? Some long run communalharmony/

understanding progarmme has to be implimented.Mukund (1974)[Non-text portions of

this message have been removed]

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Exactly! No problem if we go after the roots of terror. No problem, if we

root out the organizations in Pakistan. However, lets not turn it into a

knee jerk reaction.

Let us put international pressure on Pakistan to go after these jehadi camps

and ban the organizations. But it has been 30 odd years that they still have

to hand over Dawood Ibrahim or Tiger Menon. Does anyone expect them to be so

cooperative in removing the ISI sponsored terrorism?

Or do we go along Israel's route and counter-strike against the whole

country declaring war on Pakistan? Remember that Israel is backed by the US,

so no one dares ostracize them. We have no God father.

Kishore Shah 1974

RE: RE: Re: Sad day for India

>I agree that there are no Hindu terrorists or Muslim terrorists. On the

> other hand majority of the terrorist activities around the world are

> perpetuated by 'Islamic Militants'. Should not the clerics and other

> religious heads take it upon themselves to turn the image of their

> religion

> around? If nobody is responsible then who is to be held to account for the

> atrocities? We always take a mild approach- let them see by our behaviour/

> they will understand etc etc. How do we let others know that if they were

> to

> take the same route- punishment will be severe?

> Malini

>

[Guest guest]

I think back to 911 and remember the feeling of horror and dismay while watching

it unfold... security was beefed up in an unprecedented way and people accepted

it for the good of all and the reaction was welcomed when the US went after

terrorists in Afghanistan...what happened later was wrong but we must learn that

probably that is what has prevented any more serious incidents since then and it

becomes a national responsibility to rise to the occasion and face the situation

calmly but with resolve and determination with a will to root these evil people

at their game and yes this should teach us to be more responsible like Gupta sir

has pointed out in our civic responsibilities. The time has come to stop

accepting the problem which has reached our home from our doorsteps where it

should have been tackled much earlier....otherwise the day when one suicide

bomber decides to walk into one of our cities with a dirty bomb in a suitcase

becomes a reality like

it has been a possibility since 911 in the US.

Ashish

>

> Subject: RE: Re: Sad day for India

> To: " mgims sewagram " <mgims >

> Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 8:40 PM

> To: mgims@...: mukunddk@...: Sat,

> 29 Nov 2008 05:27:37 +0530Subject: Re: RE: Re: Sad

> day for India

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Terrorists have no religion.Their only relegion is Gun and

> targets are innocent people.Repeatedly and frequently the

> people are being attacked unaware. The common men feel

> helpless. This situation has reached becuse of social /

> political / relegious / misunderstanding or follies for

> which a heavy price is being paid. But this is no time for

> going in to causes. What can be done so that such events do

> not recur ? How the men from terrorist group got employment

> in Taj just two day before the event? Is it not

> " Sifarish " due to which all norms are given up?

> We rent our vacant rooms / houses without varifying the

> bonafides and later repent for the same.We get annoyed when

> we have to pass through metal detector or when our baggage

> is checked at railway station or bus stand by people of

> security. Let us correct ourselves.

> How the credit cards (which were found in possesion of the

> terrorists as per news) were issued by the Indian banks

> ,again without varification . What has happened to our

> intellegence agencies? Let us be alert. Let us be together

> without talking about " muslim terrorism or Hindu

> terrorism. We have to know who our neighbours are and what

> they are doing.

> All praise for the combined operation by

> police /navy/military/commondos and of course the people who

> have dared by all means to bring the situation under control

> and clearing the places of terrorists. Many precious lives

> are lost. May God prvide peace to their souls. Let us pray

> that better sense prevails to those Indians who might be

> hand & gloves with these terrorists or playing in their

> hand for satisfying their greed.

> Let us pray that the worst is over

> and tranquility will descemd soon

> OPGupta

>

> Dear All,No doubt it was a most disturbing day for anybody

> in the world. As we allhave closerproximity to Mumbai

> geographically and sentimentally we feel it in a

> largermagnitude.The reactions from various sectors are as

> expected. At present whateveraction takenby our police &

> other forces is correct and I salute them for the same.But

> this is not the end. This will not end the terrorism. Are we

> going toremember ourbeloved Father of nation Mahatma Gandhi

> and his message? We should think intermsbeyond caste,

> religion, faith, country, Language etc. and we should see

> toit that nobodyof our children ( i,e, next generation)

> become terrorist. We should giveenough work & livelihood

> to the next generation and thoughts which will be in terms

> ofhumanity andnot religion or country or any thing else. The

> politicians are going to blowfire and keepingthemselves safe

> they are going to play with life of innocent people.

> Thisdiplomacy is tobe understood by common people and we

> should not fall prey to propoganda.How Panjab has calmed

> down ? How our Chalisgaon was calm when

> Dhule,Aurangabad,Jalgaon etc were burning with religious

> issues ? Some long run communalharmony/ understanding

> progarmme has to be implimented.Mukund (1974)[Non-text

> portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Blood and gloom, the guns the blasts,

You shake our home, but see? It lasts!

You may create panic o'monsters terrifying,

You may see us screaming and even dying!

You come with one and only one intent,

You want to see us cowering and impotent!

You feel you can shake our foundation,

But you realize not we are a strong nation!

You feel you can make us hate your religion,

But you don't realize we see no division!

To us all religions lead to only one God divine,

In Him we have faith, in Him we align!

You call yourselves martyrs, but we know better,

Violence in the name of religion is no trend setter!

You think God will accept you when you go!

My dear fellow human, let me tell you, gladly, *NO*!

Ravin '82

[Guest guest]

You will be surprised by the amount of anti Pak sentiment and the pro Indian

sentiment in the US especially amongst the administration waiting in the

wings...that is why I have mentioned all the countries together to take action

against the camps by getting all the countries and major powers to ok it tacitly

or otherwise and yes let it not be a knee jerk reaction but a well thought out

and planned and of course clinically executed plan.We should end the defensive

mind set and go into the proactive mind set now!!

>

>

> Subject: Re: RE: Re: Sad day for India

> To: mgims

> Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 6:03 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> So then should we gouge an eye for an eye? Then, like some

> wiser people

> before me have said, we will end up with a blind world!

>

> Kishore Shah 1974

>

> RE: RE: Re: Sad day for India

>

> >I agree that there are no Hindu terrorists or Muslim

> terrorists. On the

> > other hand majority of the terrorist activities around

> the world are

> > perpetuated by 'Islamic Militants'. Should not

> the clerics and other

> > religious heads take it upon themselves to turn the

> image of their

> > religion

> > around? If nobody is responsible then who is to be

> held to account for the

> > atrocities? We always take a mild approach- let them

> see by our behaviour/

> > they will understand etc etc. How do we let others

> know that if they were

> > to

> > take the same route- punishment will be severe?

> > Malini

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

beautiful!!

>

> Subject: Re: RE: Re: Sad day for India

> To: mgims

> Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 9:44 PM

> Blood and gloom, the guns the blasts,

> You shake our home, but see? It lasts!

>

> You may create panic o'monsters terrifying,

> You may see us screaming and even dying!

>

> You come with one and only one intent,

> You want to see us cowering and impotent!

>

> You feel you can shake our foundation,

> But you realize not we are a strong nation!

>

> You feel you can make us hate your religion,

> But you don't realize we see no division!

>

> To us all religions lead to only one God divine,

> In Him we have faith, in Him we align!

>

> You call yourselves martyrs, but we know better,

> Violence in the name of religion is no trend setter!

>

> You think God will accept you when you go!

> My dear fellow human, let me tell you, gladly, *NO*!

>

> Ravin '82

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ashish!

Ravin '82

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 10:19 AM, ashish sachdeva <ashish1sachdeva@...

> wrote:

> beautiful!!

>

>

>

> > From: Dr_Ravin Das <ravindas@... <ravindas%40gmail.com>>

>

> > Subject: Re: RE: Re: Sad day for India

> > To: mgims <mgims%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 9:44 PM

>

> > Blood and gloom, the guns the blasts,

> > You shake our home, but see? It lasts!

> >

> > You may create panic o'monsters terrifying,

> > You may see us screaming and even dying!

> >

> > You come with one and only one intent,

> > You want to see us cowering and impotent!

> >

> > You feel you can shake our foundation,

> > But you realize not we are a strong nation!

> >

> > You feel you can make us hate your religion,

> > But you don't realize we see no division!

> >

> > To us all religions lead to only one God divine,

> > In Him we have faith, in Him we align!

> >

> > You call yourselves martyrs, but we know better,

> > Violence in the name of religion is no trend setter!

> >

> > You think God will accept you when you go!

> > My dear fellow human, let me tell you, gladly, *NO*!

> >

> > Ravin '82

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

hello,every one.

this is to let you know that all the mgims family members in mumbai are safe

harshwardhan

>

> > Friends

> >

> > I am overcome with emotion and sadness watching the horror unfold

> all

> > night long in Mumbai and my heart and prayers go out to everyone out

> > there....

> > I hope that everyone in the MGIMS family and their families and

> > friends are safe

> >

> > I am going to bed tonight with prayers that may the terrorists

> > responsible for this inhumane act be brought to justice

> >

> > Ameet 1993

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

We all being doctors are in a better position to look into minds of these

terrorists. Psychologists will be able to give best opinion. Although I am an

ophthalmologist but let me share my views :

!. Let us all think what Father of nation Gandhi ji said long time back---- "

I have learned through bitter experience the one supreme lesson to conserve my

anger and as heat conserved is transmuted into energy, even as our anger

controlled can be transmitted into a power that can move the world. " Gandhi ji

taught us the principal of Ahinsa. He must be right that is why he is known as

father of nation.

2. Famous auther Dale Carnegie wrote many years ago in one of his books---

" Many people go insane in order to find in the dreamland of insanity, the

feeling of importance that has been denied to them in harsh world of reality.

What is the cause of insanity? About one-half of all mental diseases can be

attributed to such physical causes as brain lesion,alcohol, toxins and injuries.

But the other half--- and that is the appalling part of story--- the other half

of the people who go insane apparently have nothing organically wrong with their

brain cells " .

3. Luther said-- " Man must evolve for all human conflict as method

which rejects revenge, aggression and retaliation. The foudation of such a

method is Love " .

4. Sri Krishna says in Gita-- " If you let your mind dwell on ghosts, you will

become ghost youself. If you fix your mind on God your life will be filled with

God. Now which are you going to choose? "

So many learned people can't be wrong.

Spend the time with your loved ones--your family, your children who are the

most important persons of your life. You never know---this may be the last

moment of your life.

Let us all pray for all those who died or got injured and pity those

misguided sick terrorists.

Tejinder Sandhu 76

ashish sachdeva wrote:

beautiful!!

>

> Subject: Re: RE: Re: Sad day for India

> To: mgims

> Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 9:44 PM

> Blood and gloom, the guns the blasts,

> You shake our home, but see? It lasts!

>

> You may create panic o'monsters terrifying,

> You may see us screaming and even dying!

>

> You come with one and only one intent,

> You want to see us cowering and impotent!

>

> You feel you can shake our foundation,

> But you realize not we are a strong nation!

>

> You feel you can make us hate your religion,

> But you don't realize we see no division!

>

> To us all religions lead to only one God divine,

> In Him we have faith, in Him we align!

>

> You call yourselves martyrs, but we know better,

> Violence in the name of religion is no trend setter!

>

> You think God will accept you when you go!

> My dear fellow human, let me tell you, gladly, *NO*!

>

> Ravin '82

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

A great poem, Ravin

Kishore Shah 1974

Re: RE: Re: Sad day for India

> Blood and gloom, the guns the blasts,

> You shake our home, but see? It lasts!

>

> You may create panic o'monsters terrifying,

> You may see us screaming and even dying!

>

> You come with one and only one intent,

> You want to see us cowering and impotent!

>

> You feel you can shake our foundation,

> But you realize not we are a strong nation!

>

> You feel you can make us hate your religion,

> But you don't realize we see no division!

>

> To us all religions lead to only one God divine,

> In Him we have faith, in Him we align!

>

> You call yourselves martyrs, but we know better,

> Violence in the name of religion is no trend setter!

>

> You think God will accept you when you go!

> My dear fellow human, let me tell you, gladly, *NO*!

>

> Ravin '82

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot Kishore

Ravin '82

> A great poem, Ravin

>

>

> Kishore Shah 1974

>

> Re: RE: Re: Sad day for India

>

> > Blood and gloom, the guns the blasts,

> > You shake our home, but see? It lasts!

> >

> > You may create panic o'monsters terrifying,

> > You may see us screaming and even dying!

> >

> > You come with one and only one intent,

> > You want to see us cowering and impotent!

> >

> > You feel you can shake our foundation,

> > But you realize not we are a strong nation!

> >

> > You feel you can make us hate your religion,

> > But you don't realize we see no division!

> >

> > To us all religions lead to only one God divine,

> > In Him we have faith, in Him we align!

> >

> > You call yourselves martyrs, but we know better,

> > Violence in the name of religion is no trend setter!

> >

> > You think God will accept you when you go!

> > My dear fellow human, let me tell you, gladly, *NO*!

> >

> > Ravin '82

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Lovely Poem-- Have you written it? Well done for bringing it across to all.

Archana'82

To: mgims@...: ravindas@...: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:14:30

+0530Subject: Re: RE: Re: Sad day for India

Blood and gloom, the guns the blasts,You shake our home, but see? It lasts!You

may create panic o'monsters terrifying,You may see us screaming and even

dying!You come with one and only one intent,You want to see us cowering and

impotent!You feel you can shake our foundation,But you realize not we are a

strong nation!You feel you can make us hate your religion,But you don't realize

we see no division!To us all religions lead to only one God divine,In Him we

have faith, in Him we align!You call yourselves martyrs, but we know

better,Violence in the name of religion is no trend setter!You think God will

accept you when you go!My dear fellow human, let me tell you, gladly, *NO*!Ravin

'82

[Guest guest]

" Remember that Israel is backed by the US,

> so no one dares ostracize them. We have no God father. "

Not anymore Kishore !!

We ( India & USA ) have a common enemy now. In fact these events will

foster an alliance between these two nations and several other

nations facing the same problem.

And we all have to be on the offensive....not on the

defensive...which has been America's approach...though disliked by

many !

I wish there was a nonviolent solution !

I have always wondered if MKG would have had one?

Ashok '84

>

-- In mgims , " Shah " wrote:

>

> Exactly! No problem if we go after the roots of terror. No problem,

if we

> root out the organizations in Pakistan. However, lets not turn it

into a

> knee jerk reaction.

>

> Let us put international pressure on Pakistan to go after these

jehadi camps

> and ban the organizations. But it has been 30 odd years that they

still have

> to hand over Dawood Ibrahim or Tiger Menon. Does anyone expect them

to be so

> cooperative in removing the ISI sponsored terrorism?

>

> Or do we go along Israel's route and counter-strike against the

whole

> country declaring war on Pakistan? Remember that Israel is backed

by the US,

> so no one dares ostracize them. We have no God father.

>

> Kishore Shah 1974

>

> RE: RE: Re: Sad day for India

>

> >I agree that there are no Hindu terrorists or Muslim terrorists.

On the

> > other hand majority of the terrorist activities around the world

are

> > perpetuated by 'Islamic Militants'. Should not the clerics and

other

> > religious heads take it upon themselves to turn the image of their

> > religion

> > around? If nobody is responsible then who is to be held to

account for the

> > atrocities? We always take a mild approach- let them see by our

behaviour/

> > they will understand etc etc. How do we let others know that if

they were

> > to

> > take the same route- punishment will be severe?

> > Malini

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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