Starting Chelation - supplements

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In a message dated 4/25/2001 10:02:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

tmbdmb@... writes:

> N-Acetyl cysteine 2 x day 100 mg

>

Hi

I wouldn't use this unless you need it. I don't think it is in Kirkmans

formula anymore ... Mainly cause half the kids did so horribly regress. The

other half did well. So unless you know for sure which half your kid is I

wouldn't risk it. It can build up to toxic levels if it is already too

high... The way you check it is a test at Great Smokies , but forget the

specific name of the test... I am sure Andy or someone could help with the

exact name of the test .... kelly

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I want to start chelation therapy on my son soon and would like feedback

as to what supplements to use: These are the things I believe Andy

recommends: (I bought his book but haven't had time to read it!)

My son is about 40 lbs.

====================

-Vitamin C - (esterified form or buffered)1000-3000 mg/day divided up

4 times a day

-Vitamin E (500 IU/day)

-Vitamin A (HOW MUCH??) (Vitamin Shoppe)

-B Complex - 4 x/day (12.5-25 mg 4 x day)

-Magnesium - 40-50 mg 4x/day

-Milk Thistle (100-200 mg) ( 3 or 4 x day)

-Cromium (HOW MUCH?)

-Molybdenum (HOW MUCH?)

-Mixed carotenes (vitamin shoppe)

-Flax oil (Vitamin Shoppe) Can you also use flax seed?

-Selenium - 50 mcg as selenomethionine

-zinc (27 mg/day per Jim Laidler's note or even 40 mg?)

The 'position paper' doctors recommends these things: (in addition to

some of the things Andy recommends):

-Melatonin (I'm NOT COMFORTABLE GIVING THIS) because I've ready

different studies and my son doesn't have sleep problems

-Glutathione (2 x day (100 mg) (Kirkman's sells this)

-N-Acetyl cysteine 2 x day 100 mg

Thanks,

Donna

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Andy, a simple list would be so helpful to me also .. I'm not

left-hemisphere balanced and have massive trouble with subjects such as math

and science, so reading the book is very difficult and I'll need to rely

heavily on you when we begin with Lacey in 4 weeks (when school ends).

She is also 40 pounds at 7 years old, so perhaps you can hit two birds with

one stone ...

I'm sure we also have a problem with cadmium since both parents were smoking

in the house previously - can you suggest something for this?

I think, by the way, molybdenum only comes in 125 mg ... and couldn't I

substitute wheat since Lacey is not gluten sensitive/intolerant or has an

allergy to wheat? I think wheat consumption pretty much takes care of

molybdenum if you are looking at the RDA.

Minc

[ ] Starting Chelation - supplements

> I want to start chelation therapy on my son soon and would like feedback

> as to what supplements to use: These are the things I believe Andy

> recommends: (I bought his book but haven't had time to read it!)

>

> My son is about 40 lbs.

> ====================

> -Vitamin C - (esterified form or buffered)1000-3000 mg/day divided up

> 4 times a day

> -Vitamin E (500 IU/day)

> -Vitamin A (HOW MUCH??) (Vitamin Shoppe)

> -B Complex - 4 x/day (12.5-25 mg 4 x day)

> -Magnesium - 40-50 mg 4x/day

> -Milk Thistle (100-200 mg) ( 3 or 4 x day)

> -Cromium (HOW MUCH?)

> -Molybdenum (HOW MUCH?)

> -Mixed carotenes (vitamin shoppe)

> -Flax oil (Vitamin Shoppe) Can you also use flax seed?

> -Selenium - 50 mcg as selenomethionine

> -zinc (27 mg/day per Jim Laidler's note or even 40 mg?)

>

> The 'position paper' doctors recommends these things: (in addition to

> some of the things Andy recommends):

>

> -Melatonin (I'm NOT COMFORTABLE GIVING THIS) because I've ready

> different studies and my son doesn't have sleep problems

> -Glutathione (2 x day (100 mg) (Kirkman's sells this)

> -N-Acetyl cysteine 2 x day 100 mg

>

> Thanks,

> Donna

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

> I want to start chelation therapy on my son soon and would like

feedback

> as to what supplements to use: These are the things I believe Andy

> recommends: (I bought his book but haven't had time to read it!)

>

> My son is about 40 lbs.

> ====================

> -Vitamin C - (esterified form or buffered)1000-3000 mg/day divided

up

> 4 times a day

> -Vitamin E (500 IU/day)

> -Vitamin A (HOW MUCH??) (Vitamin Shoppe)

more or less 20,000 IU a day.

> -B Complex - 4 x/day (12.5-25 mg 4 x day)

> -Magnesium - 40-50 mg 4x/day

> -Milk Thistle (100-200 mg) ( 3 or 4 x day)

> -Cromium (HOW MUCH?)

about 200 mcg divided throughout the day.

> -Molybdenum (HOW MUCH?)

about 250-500 mcg divided throughout the day

> -Mixed carotenes (vitamin shoppe)

> -Flax oil (Vitamin Shoppe) Can you also use flax seed?

Yes

> -Selenium - 50 mcg as selenomethionine

> -zinc (27 mg/day per Jim Laidler's note or even 40 mg?)

either one is within the bounds of reason.

>

> The 'position paper' doctors recommends these things: (in addition

to

> some of the things Andy recommends):

>

> -Melatonin (I'm NOT COMFORTABLE GIVING THIS) because I've ready

> different studies and my son doesn't have sleep problems

If he sleeps, no need for it.

> -Glutathione (2 x day (100 mg) (Kirkman's sells this)

> -N-Acetyl cysteine 2 x day 100 mg

The NAC is helpful if he is a " low sulfur " person, harmful otherwise.

Testing or experimentation is needed to figure it out.

Glutathione is not economic - NAC and other sulfur sources are much

cheaper.

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

> I'm sure we also have a problem with cadmium since both parents were

smoking

> in the house previously - can you suggest something for this?

I hope it isn't Cd since all I know of to do is eat antioxidants

indefinitely - I don't know anything that takes it out.

> I think, by the way, molybdenum only comes in 125 mg ... and

couldn't I

> substitute wheat since Lacey is not gluten sensitive/intolerant or

has an

> allergy to wheat? I think wheat consumption pretty much takes care

of

> molybdenum if you are looking at the RDA.

You want 5-10 times the RDA.

> Minc

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> In a message dated 4/25/2001 10:02:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> tmbdmb@e... writes:

> > N-Acetyl cysteine 2 x day 100 mg

> >

> Hi

> I wouldn't use this unless you need it. I don't think it is in

Kirkmans

> formula anymore ... Mainly cause half the kids did so horribly

regress. The

> other half did well. So unless you know for sure which half your

kid is I

> wouldn't risk it. It can build up to toxic levels if it is already

too

> high... The way you check it is a test at Great Smokies , but

forget the

> specific name of the test... I am sure Andy or someone could help

with the

> exact name of the test ....

Plasma Cysteine.

kelly

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been re

[Guest guest]

Regarding Andy's supplementation and the " position " doctors'

supplementation schedule:

I was looking for help in an administration plan for supplements as I

have MANY to give my child based on all the problems with his system and

to assist chelation. I am trying to discern which are chelators and

which are replenishers...if that is the case and which important

supplements I am missing.

Supplements include:

Taken Days On and Off chelation 35 pound child

Vitamin C 750 mg am & pm

NAC 100 mg am & pm

Taurine 500 mg am & pm

Glycine 500 mg am & pm

Melatonin 2 mg (@ bedtime)

CLO 1 tsp am & pm

Vitamin E 100 IU am & pm

Folic Acid 1/4 tsp (400 mcg/Kirkman's) am & pm

MSM 1/4 tsp am & pm

CoQ10 25 mg am & pm

Coenzyme B Complex (Kirkman's) 1 daily

Transfer Factor 200 mg 3x day

Nystatin 1 tsp 3x day

Ginko Biloba 75 mg am & pm

Milk Thistle 100 mg am & pm

L-Glutamine 1 capsule am & pm

EnZymAid 1 capsule am & pm

Acetyl L-Carnitine 125 mg am & pm

Magnesium 180 mg am & pm

Taken Days Off DMSA

Glutathione 100 mg am & pm

Zinc 40 mg = 1 tsp 2x day

Magnesium Malate 400 mg am & pm

Citramin II 3 capsules w/b-fast

SNT 1 1/2 tsp

Buffered Vitamin C 750 mg am & pm

DMG 250 = 2 tsp am & pm

Calcium 1/2 tsp am & pm

All mineral preps

DMSA (every 4 hrs) 50 mg

Low dose for first round...then to 150 mg

ALA (after 2 months) 50 mg

My appreciation for any help!

I heard changes to the position doctors' protocol are being announced in

Atlanta at the May DAN Conference, as per Dr. Bradstreet in Chicago

suburbs at last weekend's Care Conference. Just a head's up..

tmbdmb wrote:

> I want to start chelation therapy on my son soon and would like

> feedback

> as to what supplements to use: These are the things I believe Andy

> recommends: (I bought his book but haven't had time to read it!)

>

> My son is about 40 lbs.

> ====================

> -Vitamin C - (esterified form or buffered)1000-3000 mg/day divided up

> 4 times a day

> -Vitamin E (500 IU/day)

> -Vitamin A (HOW MUCH??) (Vitamin Shoppe)

> -B Complex - 4 x/day (12.5-25 mg 4 x day)

> -Magnesium - 40-50 mg 4x/day

> -Milk Thistle (100-200 mg) ( 3 or 4 x day)

> -Cromium (HOW MUCH?)

> -Molybdenum (HOW MUCH?)

> -Mixed carotenes (vitamin shoppe)

> -Flax oil (Vitamin Shoppe) Can you also use flax seed?

> -Selenium - 50 mcg as selenomethionine

> -zinc (27 mg/day per Jim Laidler's note or even 40 mg?)

>

> The 'position paper' doctors recommends these things: (in addition to

> some of the things Andy recommends):

>

> -Melatonin (I'm NOT COMFORTABLE GIVING THIS) because I've ready

> different studies and my son doesn't have sleep problems

> -Glutathione (2 x day (100 mg) (Kirkman's sells this)

> -N-Acetyl cysteine 2 x day 100 mg

[Guest guest]

Hello Angie:

Here's a previous post that Andy addressed regarding supplements and how

much. Hope it helps.

In Christ's love and mine...Jen : )

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From: AndyCutler@...

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:09:50 -0000

Subject: [ ] Re: Starting Chelation - supplements

Message-ID: <9c8hju+nj91egroups>

> I want to start chelation therapy on my son soon and would like

feedback

> as to what supplements to use: These are the things I believe Andy

> recommends: (I bought his book but haven't had time to read it!)

>

> My son is about 40 lbs.

> ====================

> -Vitamin C - (esterified form or buffered)1000-3000 mg/day divided

up

> 4 times a day

> -Vitamin E (500 IU/day)

> -Vitamin A (HOW MUCH??) (Vitamin Shoppe)

more or less 20,000 IU a day.

> -B Complex - 4 x/day (12.5-25 mg 4 x day)

> -Magnesium - 40-50 mg 4x/day

> -Milk Thistle (100-200 mg) ( 3 or 4 x day)

> -Cromium (HOW MUCH?)

about 200 mcg divided throughout the day.

> -Molybdenum (HOW MUCH?)

about 250-500 mcg divided throughout the day

> -Mixed carotenes (vitamin shoppe)

> -Flax oil (Vitamin Shoppe) Can you also use flax seed?

Yes

> -Selenium - 50 mcg as selenomethionine

> -zinc (27 mg/day per Jim Laidler's note or even 40 mg?)

either one is within the bounds of reason.

>

> The 'position paper' doctors recommends these things: (in addition

to

> some of the things Andy recommends):

>

> -Melatonin (I'm NOT COMFORTABLE GIVING THIS) because I've ready

> different studies and my son doesn't have sleep problems

If he sleeps, no need for it.

> -Glutathione (2 x day (100 mg) (Kirkman's sells this)

> -N-Acetyl cysteine 2 x day 100 mg

The NAC is helpful if he is a " low sulfur " person, harmful otherwise.

Testing or experimentation is needed to figure it out.

Glutathione is not economic - NAC and other sulfur sources are much

cheaper.

> Thanks,

>

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