Re: About saying no ~ Karin ~

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You asked: And what would that make of you? And what would that make of

him/her?

For me, it would mean not living my integrity, sometimes. Actually, I notice

that I sometimes also get in the sandbox and try to play with people that I

don't really like. That is also helpful...it shows me my work.

I woke up thinking about this whole thing this morning. For me, I realized

that nne's statement 'No, you are wrong. It is not Tami you don't like.

It is your story about Tami that keeps you out of the sandbox.', was only

partially true. I have heard Kt say that friendship is an internal experience,

it doesnt mean that you have to invite the person to dinner (or to play in the

sandbox...or to accept their invitation as I understand it). I may feel

tremendous love and friendship for T and still say no to going out and playing

with her. Perhaps my kind of play simply looks different. So, it is not

necessarily my story that causes me to say no. I can say no and be completely

loving and peaceful internally. And I say this, or write it, so that I can

witness it and see it. It is big for me.

And I am also sitting with all of this still....

Cheers,

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[Guest guest]

Am 20.02.2006 um 13:48 schrieb :

> Hi ,

>

> You asked: And what would that make of you? And what would that

> make of him/her?

>

> For me, it would mean not living my integrity, sometimes.

> Actually, I notice that I sometimes also get in the sandbox and try

> to play with people that I don't really like. That is also

> helpful...it shows me my work.

Ok, where I go with it, is:

when someone asks me for my company or help, and I say " yes " while

meaning no... how does this feel inside, and what situations can I

remember vividly, where I did it? That's what memories are for.

So, when I go there, I can feel how it is to abuse oneself. Because

that's what I did.

I don't do the work to say " no " when I mean " no " .

I do the work to notice how it feels saying " yes " when I mean " no " .

> I woke up thinking about this whole thing this morning. For me, I

> realized that nne's statement 'No, you are wrong. It is not

> Tami you don't like. It is your story about Tami that keeps you

> out of the sandbox.', was only partially true. I have heard Kt say

> that friendship is an internal experience, it doesnt mean that you

> have to invite the person to dinner (or to play in the sandbox...or

> to accept their invitation as I understand it). I may feel

> tremendous love and friendship for T and still say no to going out

> and playing with her. Perhaps my kind of play simply looks

> different. So, it is not necessarily my story that causes me to

> say no. I can say no and be completely loving and peaceful

> internally. And I say this, or write it, so that I can witness it

> and see it.

What my " no " wouldn't mean anything? If there is no cause for it, at

all? How would that feel, inside, and who would I be with that?

Sometimes we are so good at finding stories. And sometimes it sounds

as if these stories had all to be undone to get some peace.

And it sounds as if there were so many.

So, how many can I undo, now? How many can I believe, now?

How many at a time?

> It is big for me.

I hear that.

>

> And I am also sitting with all of this still....

You go, girl!

> Cheers,

>

Blessings,

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[Guest guest]

You wrote -

> I don't do the work to say " no " when I mean " no " .

>

> I do the work to notice how it feels saying " yes " when I mean " no " .

Yeah! Yeah!

It feels like the sun is coming out from behind the clouds.

Like I'm stepping out from the cage.

Shakespeare wrote:

'To thine own self be true.'

Lots of people are familiar with that. Not sure why the next part

is often not included:

'To thine own self be true. And it must follow, as the night the

day, Thou can not then be false to any man.'

I give the gift of being true to myself, and by doing that, I give

you the gift of seeing a way out of the darkness.

The truth shall/is/HAS set me free!

How sweet it is!

-

[Guest guest]

>

> I woke up thinking about this whole thing this morning. For me,

I realized that nne's statement 'No, you are wrong. It is not

Tami you don't like. It is your story about Tami that keeps you out

of the sandbox.', was only partially true. I have heard Kt say that

friendship is an internal experience, it doesnt mean that you have

to invite the person to dinner (or to play in the sandbox...or to

accept their invitation as I understand it). I may feel tremendous

love and friendship for T and still say no to going out and playing

with her. Perhaps my kind of play simply looks different. So, it

is not necessarily my story that causes me to say no. I can say no

and be completely loving and peaceful internally. And I say this,

or write it, so that I can witness it and see it. It is big for me.

>

LOL ... yes, finally someone around here aside from and I are

getting it. I can say I don't want any more of Tami's braised liver

and be totally loving and peaceful without any stressful stories at

all! Setting limits on the ego's ability to miscreate is an

incredibly loving thing to do. Even God himself set limits on the

Son's ability to miscreate, by allowing him to dream but never make

the separation real. I note that Jesus did not just sit around

saying " Oh this world is perfect, it's all just your thinking " .

Nope, he got out there and raised the dead, healed the sick, fed the

multitudes and turned water into wine. I am fairly certain that

Jesus understood that everyones suffering was a result of their

thinking, but since most could not accept or understand that he

resolved their problems in ways they could accept. A very powerful

lesson for those who have eyes to see it.

Have an awesome day

" It's pretty scary, because it means you've been wrong for your

whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it begins, in

humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. " Byron

[Guest guest]

Love

A reminder:

Short sentences

No quoting

and talk more about me and less about other stuff

T

-- Re: About saying " no " ~ Karin ~

>

> I woke up thinking about this whole thing this morning. For me,

I realized that nne's statement 'No, you are wrong. It is not

Tami you don't like. It is your story about Tami that keeps you out

of the sandbox.', was only partially true. I have heard Kt say that

friendship is an internal experience, it doesnt mean that you have

to invite the person to dinner (or to play in the sandbox...or to

accept their invitation as I understand it). I may feel tremendous

love and friendship for T and still say no to going out and playing

with her. Perhaps my kind of play simply looks different. So, it

is not necessarily my story that causes me to say no. I can say no

and be completely loving and peaceful internally. And I say this,

or write it, so that I can witness it and see it. It is big for me.

>

LOL ... yes, finally someone around here aside from and I are

getting it. I can say I don't want any more of Tami's braised liver

and be totally loving and peaceful without any stressful stories at

all! Setting limits on the ego's ability to miscreate is an

incredibly loving thing to do. Even God himself set limits on the

Son's ability to miscreate, by allowing him to dream but never make

the separation real. I note that Jesus did not just sit around

saying " Oh this world is perfect, it's all just your thinking " .

Nope, he got out there and raised the dead, healed the sick, fed the

multitudes and turned water into wine. I am fairly certain that

Jesus understood that everyones suffering was a result of their

thinking, but since most could not accept or understand that he

resolved their problems in ways they could accept. A very powerful

lesson for those who have eyes to see it.

Have an awesome day

" It's pretty scary, because it means you've been wrong for your

whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it begins, in

humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. " Byron

[Guest guest]

wrote: Am 20.02.2006 um 13:48 schrieb :

> Hi ,

>

> You asked: And what would that make of you? And what would that

> make of him/her?

>

> For me, it would mean not living my integrity, sometimes.

> Actually, I notice that I sometimes also get in the sandbox and try

> to play with people that I don't really like. That is also

> helpful...it shows me my work.

Ok, where I go with it, is:

when someone asks me for my company or help, and I say " yes " while

meaning no... how does this feel inside, and what situations can I

remember vividly, where I did it? That's what memories are for.

So, when I go there, I can feel how it is to abuse oneself. Because

that's what I did.

###Yes. Not answering with integrity is to abuse myself. I agree. And I can

find many examples of when I have said yes when I felt a no inside. Because I

wanted something from the other person that I thought I needed.

I don't do the work to say " no " when I mean " no " .

### I don't either. It feels peaceful to say no when I feel an internal no.

I do the work to notice how it feels saying " yes " when I mean " no " .

> I woke up thinking about this whole thing this morning. For me, I

> realized that nne's statement 'No, you are wrong. It is not

> Tami you don't like. It is your story about Tami that keeps you

> out of the sandbox.', was only partially true. I have heard Kt say

> that friendship is an internal experience, it doesnt mean that you

> have to invite the person to dinner (or to play in the sandbox...or

> to accept their invitation as I understand it). I may feel

> tremendous love and friendship for T and still say no to going out

> and playing with her. Perhaps my kind of play simply looks

> different. So, it is not necessarily my story that causes me to

> say no. I can say no and be completely loving and peaceful

> internally. And I say this, or write it, so that I can witness it

> and see it.

What my " no " wouldn't mean anything? If there is no cause for it, at

all? How would that feel, inside, and who would I be with that?

### I don't know if a 'no' means something, other than 'no'. What is the

cause for yes or no? I don't know the meaning of these things, I only know if

it feels peaceful to say yes or no in hte moment. Sometimes I have a story

about why I say yes or no. If it feels peaceful, I don't inquire.

Sometimes we are so good at finding stories. And sometimes it sounds

as if these stories had all to be undone to get some peace.

And it sounds as if there were so many.

So, how many can I undo, now? How many can I believe, now?

### My answer would be the one arising now, the one causing the most pain. I

start there and see where it takes me.

How many at a time?

> It is big for me.

I hear that.

>

> And I am also sitting with all of this still....

You go, girl!

> Cheers,

>

Blessings,

___________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

~ I've loved reading your experience with the whole yes/no

conversation...thanks for the usually missing part of that quote, it's

wonderful! Schmart guy that Willie.....

wrote: You wrote -

> I don't do the work to say " no " when I mean " no " .

>

> I do the work to notice how it feels saying " yes " when I mean " no " .

Yeah! Yeah!

It feels like the sun is coming out from behind the clouds.

Like I'm stepping out from the cage.

Shakespeare wrote:

'To thine own self be true.'

Lots of people are familiar with that. Not sure why the next part

is often not included:

'To thine own self be true. And it must follow, as the night the

day, Thou can not then be false to any man.'

I give the gift of being true to myself, and by doing that, I give

you the gift of seeing a way out of the darkness.

The truth shall/is/HAS set me free!

How sweet it is!

-

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I woke up thinking about this whole thing this morning. For

me,

> I realized that nne's statement 'No, you are wrong. It is

not

> Tami you don't like. It is your story about Tami that keeps you

out

> of the sandbox.', was only partially true. I have heard Kt say

that

> friendship is an internal experience, it doesnt mean that you have

> to invite the person to dinner (or to play in the sandbox...or to

> accept their invitation as I understand it). I may feel

tremendous

> love and friendship for T and still say no to going out and

playing

> with her. Perhaps my kind of play simply looks different. So, it

> is not necessarily my story that causes me to say no. I can say

no

> and be completely loving and peaceful internally. And I say this,

> or write it, so that I can witness it and see it. It is big for

me.

> >

>

>

> LOL ... yes, finally someone around here aside from and I

are

> getting it. I can say I don't want any more of Tami's braised

liver

> and be totally loving and peaceful without any stressful stories

at

> all! Setting limits on the ego's ability to miscreate is an

> incredibly loving thing to do. Even God himself set limits on the

> Son's ability to miscreate, by allowing him to dream but never

make

> the separation real. I note that Jesus did not just sit around

> saying " Oh this world is perfect, it's all just your thinking " .

> Nope, he got out there and raised the dead, healed the sick, fed

the

> multitudes and turned water into wine. I am fairly certain that

> Jesus understood that everyones suffering was a result of their

> thinking, but since most could not accept or understand that he

> resolved their problems in ways they could accept. A very powerful

> lesson for those who have eyes to see it.

>

> Have an awesome day

>

>

> " It's pretty scary, because it means you've been wrong for your

> whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it begins, in

> humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. " Byron

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I woke up thinking about this whole thing this morning. For

me,

> I realized that nne's statement 'No, you are wrong. It is

not

> Tami you don't like. It is your story about Tami that keeps you

out

> of the sandbox.', was only partially true. I have heard Kt say

that

> friendship is an internal experience, it doesnt mean that you have

> to invite the person to dinner (or to play in the sandbox...or to

> accept their invitation as I understand it). I may feel

tremendous

> love and friendship for T and still say no to going out and

playing

> with her. Perhaps my kind of play simply looks different. So, it

> is not necessarily my story that causes me to say no. I can say

no

> and be completely loving and peaceful internally. And I say this,

> or write it, so that I can witness it and see it. It is big for

me.

> >

>

>

> LOL ... yes, finally someone around here aside from and I

are

> getting it. I can say I don't want any more of Tami's braised

liver

> and be totally loving and peaceful without any stressful stories

at

> all! Setting limits on the ego's ability to miscreate is an

> incredibly loving thing to do. Even God himself set limits on the

> Son's ability to miscreate, by allowing him to dream but never

make

> the separation real. I note that Jesus did not just sit around

> saying " Oh this world is perfect, it's all just your thinking " .

> Nope, he got out there and raised the dead, healed the sick, fed

the

> multitudes and turned water into wine. I am fairly certain that

> Jesus understood that everyones suffering was a result of their

> thinking, but since most could not accept or understand that he

> resolved their problems in ways they could accept. A very powerful

> lesson for those who have eyes to see it.

>

> Have an awesome day

>

>

> " It's pretty scary, because it means you've been wrong for your

> whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it begins, in

> humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. " Byron

>

[Guest guest]

~

My story about this is that there seems to be the perception from some here

that to ask for what you want or to say no is not 'loving what is', or is

'wrong' in some way. Or cannot be done lovingly or in peace. And if you are

not 'getting' something, you are right, there is nothing for you to 'get'. So

it seems to me that there is no problem here! Perfect....

Cheers,

wrote:

> >

> > I woke up thinking about this whole thing this morning. For

me,

> I realized that nne's statement 'No, you are wrong. It is

not

> Tami you don't like. It is your story about Tami that keeps you

out

> of the sandbox.', was only partially true. I have heard Kt say

that

> friendship is an internal experience, it doesnt mean that you have

> to invite the person to dinner (or to play in the sandbox...or to

> accept their invitation as I understand it). I may feel

tremendous

> love and friendship for T and still say no to going out and

playing

> with her. Perhaps my kind of play simply looks different. So, it

> is not necessarily my story that causes me to say no. I can say

no

> and be completely loving and peaceful internally. And I say this,

> or write it, so that I can witness it and see it. It is big for

me.

> >

>

>

> LOL ... yes, finally someone around here aside from and I

are

> getting it. I can say I don't want any more of Tami's braised

liver

> and be totally loving and peaceful without any stressful stories

at

> all! Setting limits on the ego's ability to miscreate is an

> incredibly loving thing to do. Even God himself set limits on the

> Son's ability to miscreate, by allowing him to dream but never

make

> the separation real. I note that Jesus did not just sit around

> saying " Oh this world is perfect, it's all just your thinking " .

> Nope, he got out there and raised the dead, healed the sick, fed

the

> multitudes and turned water into wine. I am fairly certain that

> Jesus understood that everyones suffering was a result of their

> thinking, but since most could not accept or understand that he

> resolved their problems in ways they could accept. A very powerful

> lesson for those who have eyes to see it.

>

> Have an awesome day

>

>

> " It's pretty scary, because it means you've been wrong for your

> whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it begins, in

> humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. " Byron

>

[Guest guest]

Another thought about this : )

When I perceive that someone here has a problem with me saying 'no', I go

inside and look for ways that I have a problem saying no, or have in the past.

Or, I find examples of times when I have a problem with someone saying 'no' to

me and what my beliefs were/are around that. I do this to join the other, to see

what they see. It feels less seperate to do that.

Cheers,

wrote:

~

My story about this is that there seems to be the perception from some here that

to ask for what you want or to say no is not 'loving what is', or is 'wrong' in

some way. Or cannot be done lovingly or in peace. And if you are not 'getting'

something, you are right, there is nothing for you to 'get'. So it seems to me

that there is no problem here! Perfect....

Cheers,

wrote:

> >

> > I woke up thinking about this whole thing this morning. For

me,

> I realized that nne's statement 'No, you are wrong. It is

not

> Tami you don't like. It is your story about Tami that keeps you

out

> of the sandbox.', was only partially true. I have heard Kt say

that

> friendship is an internal experience, it doesnt mean that you have

> to invite the person to dinner (or to play in the sandbox...or to

> accept their invitation as I understand it). I may feel

tremendous

> love and friendship for T and still say no to going out and

playing

> with her. Perhaps my kind of play simply looks different. So, it

> is not necessarily my story that causes me to say no. I can say

no

> and be completely loving and peaceful internally. And I say this,

> or write it, so that I can witness it and see it. It is big for

me.

> >

>

>

> LOL ... yes, finally someone around here aside from and I

are

> getting it. I can say I don't want any more of Tami's braised

liver

> and be totally loving and peaceful without any stressful stories

at

> all! Setting limits on the ego's ability to miscreate is an

> incredibly loving thing to do. Even God himself set limits on the

> Son's ability to miscreate, by allowing him to dream but never

make

> the separation real. I note that Jesus did not just sit around

> saying " Oh this world is perfect, it's all just your thinking " .

> Nope, he got out there and raised the dead, healed the sick, fed

the

> multitudes and turned water into wine. I am fairly certain that

> Jesus understood that everyones suffering was a result of their

> thinking, but since most could not accept or understand that he

> resolved their problems in ways they could accept. A very powerful

> lesson for those who have eyes to see it.

>

> Have an awesome day

>

>

> " It's pretty scary, because it means you've been wrong for your

> whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it begins, in

> humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. " Byron

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > I woke up thinking about this whole thing this morning. For

> me,

> > I realized that nne's statement 'No, you are wrong. It is

> not

> > Tami you don't like. It is your story about Tami that keeps you

> out

> > of the sandbox.', was only partially true. I have heard Kt say

> that

> > friendship is an internal experience, it doesnt mean that you

have

> > to invite the person to dinner (or to play in the sandbox...or

to

> > accept their invitation as I understand it). I may feel

> tremendous

> > love and friendship for T and still say no to going out and

> playing

> > with her. Perhaps my kind of play simply looks different. So, it

> > is not necessarily my story that causes me to say no. I can say

> no

> > and be completely loving and peaceful internally. And I say

this,

> > or write it, so that I can witness it and see it. It is big for

> me.

> > >

> >

> >

> > LOL ... yes, finally someone around here aside from and I

> are

> > getting it. I can say I don't want any more of Tami's braised

> liver

> > and be totally loving and peaceful without any stressful stories

> at

> > all! Setting limits on the ego's ability to miscreate is an

> > incredibly loving thing to do. Even God himself set limits on

the

> > Son's ability to miscreate, by allowing him to dream but never

> make

> > the separation real. I note that Jesus did not just sit around

> > saying " Oh this world is perfect, it's all just your thinking " .

> > Nope, he got out there and raised the dead, healed the sick, fed

> the

> > multitudes and turned water into wine. I am fairly certain that

> > Jesus understood that everyones suffering was a result of their

> > thinking, but since most could not accept or understand that he

> > resolved their problems in ways they could accept. A very

powerful

> > lesson for those who have eyes to see it.

> >

> > Have an awesome day

> >

> >

> > " It's pretty scary, because it means you've been wrong for your

> > whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it begins, in

> > humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. " Byron

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > I woke up thinking about this whole thing this morning. For

> me,

> > I realized that nne's statement 'No, you are wrong. It is

> not

> > Tami you don't like. It is your story about Tami that keeps you

> out

> > of the sandbox.', was only partially true. I have heard Kt say

> that

> > friendship is an internal experience, it doesnt mean that you

have

> > to invite the person to dinner (or to play in the sandbox...or

to

> > accept their invitation as I understand it). I may feel

> tremendous

> > love and friendship for T and still say no to going out and

> playing

> > with her. Perhaps my kind of play simply looks different. So, it

> > is not necessarily my story that causes me to say no. I can say

> no

> > and be completely loving and peaceful internally. And I say

this,

> > or write it, so that I can witness it and see it. It is big for

> me.

> > >

> >

> >

> > LOL ... yes, finally someone around here aside from and I

> are

> > getting it. I can say I don't want any more of Tami's braised

> liver

> > and be totally loving and peaceful without any stressful stories

> at

> > all! Setting limits on the ego's ability to miscreate is an

> > incredibly loving thing to do. Even God himself set limits on

the

> > Son's ability to miscreate, by allowing him to dream but never

> make

> > the separation real. I note that Jesus did not just sit around

> > saying " Oh this world is perfect, it's all just your thinking " .

> > Nope, he got out there and raised the dead, healed the sick, fed

> the

> > multitudes and turned water into wine. I am fairly certain that

> > Jesus understood that everyones suffering was a result of their

> > thinking, but since most could not accept or understand that he

> > resolved their problems in ways they could accept. A very

powerful

> > lesson for those who have eyes to see it.

> >

> > Have an awesome day

> >

> >

> > " It's pretty scary, because it means you've been wrong for your

> > whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it begins, in

> > humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. " Byron

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. For me this is exactly the same.

wrote:

> > >

> > > I woke up thinking about this whole thing this morning. For

> me,

> > I realized that nne's statement 'No, you are wrong. It is

> not

> > Tami you don't like. It is your story about Tami that keeps you

> out

> > of the sandbox.', was only partially true. I have heard Kt say

> that

> > friendship is an internal experience, it doesnt mean that you

have

> > to invite the person to dinner (or to play in the sandbox...or

to

> > accept their invitation as I understand it). I may feel

> tremendous

> > love and friendship for T and still say no to going out and

> playing

> > with her. Perhaps my kind of play simply looks different. So, it

> > is not necessarily my story that causes me to say no. I can say

> no

> > and be completely loving and peaceful internally. And I say

this,

> > or write it, so that I can witness it and see it. It is big for

> me.

> > >

> >

> >

> > LOL ... yes, finally someone around here aside from and I

> are

> > getting it. I can say I don't want any more of Tami's braised

> liver

> > and be totally loving and peaceful without any stressful stories

> at

> > all! Setting limits on the ego's ability to miscreate is an

> > incredibly loving thing to do. Even God himself set limits on

the

> > Son's ability to miscreate, by allowing him to dream but never

> make

> > the separation real. I note that Jesus did not just sit around

> > saying " Oh this world is perfect, it's all just your thinking " .

> > Nope, he got out there and raised the dead, healed the sick, fed

> the

> > multitudes and turned water into wine. I am fairly certain that

> > Jesus understood that everyones suffering was a result of their

> > thinking, but since most could not accept or understand that he

> > resolved their problems in ways they could accept. A very

powerful

> > lesson for those who have eyes to see it.

> >

> > Have an awesome day

> >

> >

> > " It's pretty scary, because it means you've been wrong for your

> > whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it begins, in

> > humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. " Byron

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>