Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Tami ~ Tamar Fattal wrote: To tell you the truth, C I don't see you as a friend either cause according to my definition of friends friends don't judge *** This is interesting Tami. So, your friends never judge you? Really? Can you know that? And you never judge your friends? Really? My instincts were good then...I don't qualify to be your friend, according to you, because my mind judges...much less than it used to I notice, yet sometimes it still does. Especially people I love and consider friends...I dont judge others as much it seems. And as I do the work on judgments that dont feel good, most of the time I just love and enjoy things around me. and I perceive you as a judgmental person. ** As I said, you are right. I would love to see an example that you have of me judging you here. Can you show me? However, I want to be friend with someone who is defiantly not my cup of tea I see it as a way to expend my boundaries. **Good for you. I judge you for judging me and it doesn't feel right inside of me ** This is also my experience. We may have more in common than either of us thinks!! Maybe I should live things the way they are, not be beyond my evolution and simply not like you ? ** Sounds like good advice to me. What do you suggest me? ** Read above...(listen to yourself) I am confused **Oh really? What are you confused about? Want to say more about it? You sounded quite clear to me. ***Thanks for your honesty Tami. T -- Re: Re: Plain Old Ugly -- Jeffery, The work is the questions and turn around. It isnt necessary to read the book, or 'take' anything 'in deeply' in my experience. When we question our stressful beliefs, we come back home, to find our own truth within ourselves There are many paths and some people seem to live out their own truth in a very easy, natural manner. Isn't it wonderful? Cheers, wrote: Hi Tami, you amaze me too! How can you know how to do the work, if you gave away the book!! There is so much in there to absorb, I have listened to the cd's many times so I can take in in deeply. Love > > > > > > > >> Whose business is it if I use technology to enhance > my > > > > face? > > > > > > Still > > > > > > > >> mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely your business, . I still ponder this, > > > though. > > > > > > > > You use the word " enhance. " That implies that that you > > > feel > > > > > that > > > > > > > > having fewer wrinkles is better, no? I am guessing it > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > FEEL > > > > > > > > any better. Like if you were lying in the dark, would > > your > > > > > face > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > any better without wrinkles? So how is it better? It > > LOOKS > > > > > better, > > > > > > > > right? To other people? > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you know that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is saying, is that there is action without > > > motives. > > > > > > > Action without thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes we forget that. We can even go as far as to > > > > believing > > > > > > that > > > > > > > there would be NO action WITHOUT motives. > > > > > > > When actually it is the other way around: there is no > > action > > > > > WITH > > > > > > > motives. Motives... don't do action. They don't do > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are just thoughts. Come to pass. Don't MAKE > anything > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't TRY to go there. If you really want to ponder > about > > > it, > > > > > ask > > > > > > > yourself if you can find ANYTHING you have ever done > > without > > > a > > > > > > motive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you may have a place to start from. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you were stranded on a desert island for the rest > of > > > your > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > with only you and a plastic surgeon, would you have > the > > > > > surgery? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of my business, but I'm asking anyhow. > > > > > > > Yes, but you are asking the wrong person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it even is the " wrong " question! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I read about wanting to get surgery because > > she > > > > > lost > > > > > > 100 > > > > > > > > pounds and had lots of excess skin hanging from her > > neck, > > > I > > > > can > > > > > > > > imagine that would FEEL uncomfortable, swinging around > > > when > > > > > she > > > > > > moved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see your point in the ordering in a restaurant > story, > > > but > > > > > that > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > has nothing to do with how you appear to other people. > I > > > > guess > > > > > > what I > > > > > > > > am getting at is, is there a reason that has nothing > to > > do > > > > > with > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > you appear to others, that you would have cosmetic > > > surgery? > > > > If > > > > > > not, > > > > > > > > why not just say that you want to look better to other > > > > people? > > > > > > More > > > > > > > > refreshed, less tired, younger, whatever? > > > > > > > Karin, if you are really interested in this: > > > > > > > What do you see when you look in the mirror? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who are you around ugly people? > > > > > > > - How do you feel? > > > > > > > - What do you think of them? > > > > > > > - What advice do you have for them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm imagining I would find it refreshing if > > > said, " I'd > > > > > like > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > reach more people with The Work, and having surgery > > would > > > > make > > > > > me > > > > > > > > look better on TV and at workshops, and/or I like > > feeling > > > > > pretty > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > other people, so I decided to do it. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally I find this subject interesting, and > perhaps > > I > > > > will > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > be enlightened enough to not find it so. > > > > > > > Well, keep on running, then! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: > > > > > > http://messenger.yahoo.de > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 C, hi ~ ** As I said, you are right. I would love to see an example that you have of me judging you here. Can you show me? ~ I don't remember. You give me the silence treatment However I am a mind reader, and I sense your vibe. I knew that you would say NO when I asked you to be my friend. How I knew it? I just did Why did I ask you? I wanted to open things up between us. Why? I don't know! However, I want to be friend with someone who is defiantly not my cup of tea I see it as a way to expend my boundaries. **Good for you. I judge you for judging me and it doesn't feel right inside of me ** This is also my experience. We may have more in common than either of us thinks!! ~ I agree, we both don't like it when we judge others for being who they are However when I judge lovethework, it feels good inside of me I wonder why? Maybe I should live things the way they are, not be beyond my evolution and simply not like you ? ** Sounds like good advice to me. ~ ok, I will do that What do you suggest me? ** Read above...(listen to yourself) ~ I read it all! I am confused **Oh really? What are you confused about? Want to say more about it? You sounded quite clear to me. ~ so let me get things straight here: I don't like you, and I have a story that you don't like me. (my reflaction) I cannot know for sure if you don't like me, however the fact that I don't like you gives me a honest view on things: I don't like you. What next? Nothing, I just can be clear about it and move on with my life. i am not suppose to like you, thank's god I don't have this thought other wise i would be in great trouble. How can I love, when I don't? ***Thanks for your honesty Tami. ~ Thank you for listening to me You are a good friend T -- Re: Re: Plain Old Ugly -- Jeffery, The work is the questions and turn around. It isnt necessary to read the book, or 'take' anything 'in deeply' in my experience. When we question our stressful beliefs, we come back home, to find our own truth within ourselves There are many paths and some people seem to live out their own truth in a very easy, natural manner. Isn't it wonderful? Cheers, wrote: Hi Tami, you amaze me too! How can you know how to do the work, if you gave away the book!! There is so much in there to absorb, I have listened to the cd's many times so I can take in in deeply. Love > > > > > > > >> Whose business is it if I use technology to enhance > my > > > > face? > > > > > > Still > > > > > > > >> mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely your business, . I still ponder this, > > > though. > > > > > > > > You use the word " enhance. " That implies that that you > > > feel > > > > > that > > > > > > > > having fewer wrinkles is better, no? I am guessing it > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > FEEL > > > > > > > > any better. Like if you were lying in the dark, would > > your > > > > > face > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > any better without wrinkles? So how is it better? It > > LOOKS > > > > > better, > > > > > > > > right? To other people? > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you know that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is saying, is that there is action without > > > motives. > > > > > > > Action without thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes we forget that. We can even go as far as to > > > > believing > > > > > > that > > > > > > > there would be NO action WITHOUT motives. > > > > > > > When actually it is the other way around: there is no > > action > > > > > WITH > > > > > > > motives. Motives... don't do action. They don't do > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are just thoughts. Come to pass. Don't MAKE > anything > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't TRY to go there. If you really want to ponder > about > > > it, > > > > > ask > > > > > > > yourself if you can find ANYTHING you have ever done > > without > > > a > > > > > > motive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you may have a place to start from. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you were stranded on a desert island for the rest > of > > > your > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > with only you and a plastic surgeon, would you have > the > > > > > surgery? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of my business, but I'm asking anyhow. > > > > > > > Yes, but you are asking the wrong person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it even is the " wrong " question! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I read about wanting to get surgery because > > she > > > > > lost > > > > > > 100 > > > > > > > > pounds and had lots of excess skin hanging from her > > neck, > > > I > > > > can > > > > > > > > imagine that would FEEL uncomfortable, swinging around > > > when > > > > > she > > > > > > moved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see your point in the ordering in a restaurant > story, > > > but > > > > > that > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > has nothing to do with how you appear to other people. > I > > > > guess > > > > > > what I > > > > > > > > am getting at is, is there a reason that has nothing > to > > do > > > > > with > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > you appear to others, that you would have cosmetic > > > surgery? > > > > If > > > > > > not, > > > > > > > > why not just say that you want to look better to other > > > > people? > > > > > > More > > > > > > > > refreshed, less tired, younger, whatever? > > > > > > > Karin, if you are really interested in this: > > > > > > > What do you see when you look in the mirror? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who are you around ugly people? > > > > > > > - How do you feel? > > > > > > > - What do you think of them? > > > > > > > - What advice do you have for them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm imagining I would find it refreshing if > > > said, " I'd > > > > > like > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > reach more people with The Work, and having surgery > > would > > > > make > > > > > me > > > > > > > > look better on TV and at workshops, and/or I like > > feeling > > > > > pretty > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > other people, so I decided to do it. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally I find this subject interesting, and > perhaps > > I > > > > will > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > be enlightened enough to not find it so. > > > > > > > Well, keep on running, then! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: > > > > > > http://messenger.yahoo.de > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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