Re: 's Face Lift/ action without motive

[Guest guest]

, I find your thinking fascinating here.

I love the idea of action without motive. That instinctively feels

right to me. says that the only thing we do is stand, sit, and

lie down. Yet, it often appears that my thinking precedes my

actions. When I think that I want to call my mother, then I call

her. Doesnt my motive to speak to my mother result in the action of

calling her on the phone?

Is there anything I have ever done without a motive? Sometimes I

notice that I am acting spontaneously, without premeditation, but

not always..... What do you think?

Love

> What is saying, is that there is action without motives.

> Action without thought.

>

> Sometimes we forget that. We can even go as far as to believing

that

> there would be NO action WITHOUT motives.

> When actually it is the other way around: there is no action WITH

> motives. Motives... don't do action. They don't do anything.

>

> They are just thoughts. Come to pass. Don't MAKE anything happen.

>

> Don't TRY to go there. If you really want to ponder about it, ask

> yourself if you can find ANYTHING you have ever done without a

motive.

>

> Then you may have a place to start from.

>

[Guest guest]

That sounds reasonable, but in the previous letter you said that

Motives don't make anything happen. Is that true? When I have a

plan, and I follow through on it, am I deluded to think it had

something to do with my motive?

Love

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> >> What is saying, is that there is action without motives.

> >> Action without thought.

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> >> Sometimes we forget that. We can even go as far as to believing

> > that

> >> there would be NO action WITHOUT motives.

> >> When actually it is the other way around: there is no action

WITH

> >> motives. Motives... don't do action. They don't do anything.

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> >> They are just thoughts. Come to pass. Don't MAKE anything

happen.

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> >> Don't TRY to go there. If you really want to ponder about it,

ask

> >> yourself if you can find ANYTHING you have ever done without a

> > motive.

> >>

> >> Then you may have a place to start from.

> >>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I found your response to interesting. There is a great desire

on the part of my Ego to take ownership of my actions; however, this

does not always appear to make it so.

You said: " When I think that I want to call my mother " .

Here you are taking ownership or responsibility for the thought " I

want to call my mother " . If you place this up against inquiry, you

may find that you can't really know that that was your thought.

For me, I find that sometimes the thought appears and I either

believe it or I question it. If I believe it, then I will feel as

though I should act upon it and then I will end up calling Mother.

If I question it, it may still appear in the end that I have called

Mother, but now I could see that I was not the doer. An action

appeared to have occured, i.e: " Calling Mother " , but was I really the

doer or the observer? Who knows?

Blessings, Steve D.

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> > What is saying, is that there is action without motives.

> > Action without thought.

> >

> > Sometimes we forget that. We can even go as far as to believing

> that

> > there would be NO action WITHOUT motives.

> > When actually it is the other way around: there is no action

WITH

> > motives. Motives... don't do action. They don't do anything.

> >

> > They are just thoughts. Come to pass. Don't MAKE anything happen.

> >

> > Don't TRY to go there. If you really want to ponder about it,

ask

> > yourself if you can find ANYTHING you have ever done without a

> motive.

> >

> > Then you may have a place to start from.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Steve, That was a wonderful answer. I suppose it is the whole

illusions of being an " ego " , that creates the belief in doing,

instead of being. It all comes down to who do I think I really am?

The Self or the ego. It's useful to know the difference

sincerely

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> >

> > > What is saying, is that there is action without motives.

> > > Action without thought.

> > >

> > > Sometimes we forget that. We can even go as far as to

believing

> > that

> > > there would be NO action WITHOUT motives.

> > > When actually it is the other way around: there is no action

> WITH

> > > motives. Motives... don't do action. They don't do anything.

> > >

> > > They are just thoughts. Come to pass. Don't MAKE anything

happen.

> > >

> > > Don't TRY to go there. If you really want to ponder about it,

> ask

> > > yourself if you can find ANYTHING you have ever done without a

> > motive.

> > >

> > > Then you may have a place to start from.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

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> As for finding something you have done without a motive:

> listen to Tami.

>

> I didn't understand what you mean by that

> so I asked Fuzzy (who is by the way the the best worker of the

year)

> and he said to me that:

> I act with no motive more than others but not in 100% of the cases.

> He mentioned the word " free spirit " .

> What makes me deferent than others?

> Maybe that I need less things from outside, so I can just be?

>

> What do I know?

>

> T

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[Guest guest]

> >

> > As for finding something you have done without a motive:

> > listen to Tami.

> >

> > I didn't understand what you mean by that

> > so I asked Fuzzy (who is by the way the the best worker of the

> year)

> > and he said to me that:

> > I act with no motive more than others but not in 100% of the

cases.

> > He mentioned the word " free spirit " .

> > What makes me deferent than others?

> > Maybe that I need less things from outside, so I can just be?

> >

> > What do I know?

> >

> > T

> >

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[Guest guest]

What?

1. No

2. I didn't, you did

T

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> > > As for finding something you have done without a motive:

> > > listen to Tami.

> > >

> > > I didn't understand what you mean by that

> > > so I asked Fuzzy (who is by the way the the best worker of the

> > year)

> > > and he said to me that:

> > > I act with no motive more than others but not in 100% of the

> cases.

> > > He mentioned the word " free spirit " .

> > > What makes me deferent than others?

> > > Maybe that I need less things from outside, so I can just be?

> > >

> > > What do I know?

> > >

> > > T

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[Guest guest]

> > > >

> > > > As for finding something you have done without a motive:

> > > > listen to Tami.

> > > >

> > > > I didn't understand what you mean by that

> > > > so I asked Fuzzy (who is by the way the the best worker of

the

> > > year)

> > > > and he said to me that:

> > > > I act with no motive more than others but not in 100% of the

> > cases.

> > > > He mentioned the word " free spirit " .

> > > > What makes me deferent than others?

> > > > Maybe that I need less things from outside, so I can just be?

> > > >

> > > > What do I know?

> > > >

> > > > T

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