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Glenda

> Speaking of your results Glenda, do you have any before/after pics

posted

> anywhere? I mean besides the collages you have on file.....Alyson

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Well, my understanding of " starvation mode " has been that you hit

that level when you go so low in your caloric intake that your body

thinks it's starving and then *slows down the metabolism* to conserve

bodyfat for survival. In short, " starvation mode " = slowed

metabolism.

Andy

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I don't feel like I am starving either!

I even feel at times that I don't need to eat since I am not hungry.

However, if I did that I think that I would be starving myself even

though I don't have hunger pangs.

Andyman

> Sounds logical, although I still don't understand the " starving "

> bit. Once I got eating 6 moderate meals a day, I ceased feeling

like

> I was starving. Hunger pangs vanished.

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> AndyD

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> How is that a response to my post?

Hussman wrote (and you quoted), " As a rule of thumb, you should aim

in the ballpark of 1890-2410 calories per day if your main goal is

fat-loss, and about 2810-3350 calories per day for muscle gain

without fat loss. "

This makes it sound as if you can only do one or the other. At least

that was my impression.

< I mean, it is an interesting bit of information, and it could be

argued that BFL is macronutrient cycling on a 7 day cycle, >

Yeah, I noticed that overlap a while ago; I thought it was kinda cool.

< Back to the post at hand, does this particular BMR calculator, and

the recommendations it provides, make sense? >

Pretty much.

Andy

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< . . . the NHE book is not on the best-seller list. I can't even

find it on Amazon.com. BFL is on the top ten of hard-cover

nonfiction. It is #12 this week at Amazon.com. Where is NHE?

Obviously, NHE doesn't have the marketing genius of Bill

behind it. >

No. At Rob Faigin's site, the question is asked, " Why isn't NHE

available through major chain booksellers like and Noble,

Borders and Amazon.com? " Rob replies:

" Let me begin by saying that we rely heavily on word-of-mouth to sell

NHE, so your help in getting the word out is greatly appreciated. NHE

is only available through independent health vendors (including:

health food stores, online supplement retailers, health practitioners

such as doctors, trainers, chiropractors, etc.). I guess you can say

that our marketing plan empowers the 'little guy.' Furthermore, our

marketing plan allows us to develop relationships with individuals

and companies that have the trust and attention of the health-minded

public. These NHE resellers actively promote NHE, whereas large

booksellers just put books on their shelves and because they have so

many outlets they act (by demanding steep discounts and consignment

deals) as though they are doing the publisher a great favor. Thanks,

but no thanks.

" Essentially it comes down to this: I'm interested in working with

people in the health industry, not institutional booksellers. These

are the folks who can share my passion for helping people, not merely

selling books. The health product/service providers are able to

market NHE in an informed way based on an appreciation of its

essence, rather than merely seeing it as a tangible object that can

be sold for a profit. "

(http://www.extique.com/askrob2-2.htm#2-2-2)

< NHE is more complicated to the general public. >

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you haven't actually read the book,

right? Therefore you're not in a position to say how complicated it

is or isn't. Having read both BFL and NHE, though, I can say that in

fact you are correct. It is more complex than BFL - but not

necessarily in terms of what one needs to *do* to be on the plan, but

in terms of NHE's often reading like a science textbook, which not

everyone's into reading, of course. Then again, Udo Erasmus's FATS

THAT HEAL, FATS THAT KILL has often been recommended on this

discussion board, yet no one's criticized it for being a health

science textbook, which is what it is.

> I'm not saying NHE doesn't work. It does sound interesting, but it

> is too complicated for me to do for life.

Again, you're not in a position to know that.

> Yes, I am promoting BFL

> and that is because this is a BFL list.

Nothing wrong with that. I've stated the following before, and I'll

say it again: I continue to promote BFL. I see BFL as a primer for

broader and deeper health education, and therefore I frequently

recommend BFL to someone who's just thinking about getting into

shape. I did just yesterday, in fact - and I didn't even mention NHE

at the time.

I myself continue successfully using the BFL workout plan, which is

fantastic; ' and Faigin's workout principles are basically

identical. And don't forget that several weeks ago I also pointed

out places of overlap between the BFL and NHE eating plans. The NHE

eating plan isn't as complex as you think it is.

> Yes, I am open to hearing

> about NHE as long as I am not required to switch or combine it with

> BFL to stay on this list.

Oh heavens, no, I'd never ask that of anyone. Like I said, I view

BFL as a primer to the world of fitness education - and in that role

BFL is *excellent*. BFL is what ultimately led me to NHE.

Best wishes,

AndyD

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