Re: Seeing a new psychiatrist - need help

February 9, 2006

No , not borderline. I see you as caring a lot about many people,

able to let go (except of Hans!), giving considered opinions....

You don't have to accept that diagnosis, it is only an opinion from

someone who doesn't know you at all! Do you have to see a

psychiatrist? Do you have to take medication? Has it helped you? Do

some research into the different 'diagnoses' on the internet and get

informed.

And it might be an interesting inquiry, what is the worst that could

happen if you were borderline? _______________.....and then ......and

THEN ............

Or, You are borderline, and that means _________________.....

Or, You are bi-polar and that means ______________

Or You are none of these, and that means _____________......

Love to you, angel,

Tamara

>

> I started to see a new psychiatrist yesterday. My old one has moved.

> She was the one that said that I could be bipolar. The defining

> characteristics of a bipolar pirson, were things I could recocnise

> myself with. I have no stressful story about it, on the contraty, it

> explained a lot of things for me.

>

> And yesterday I met this new one, and he wasn´t so sure I was

> bipolar. He thought I was a better match for a borderline

> personality. And then he wrote down on a whiteboard the defining

> characteristics of a borderline person.

>

> Having trouble connecting with other people.

> Hard to feel empathy for others.

> No impulscontrol.

> Terrified of separations.

> Careless about yourself and others.

>

> And when I asked where he got it from, that I should be borderline,

> he refered to something a psychiatrist wrote about me in 1999, when

> I was separating from a boyfriend, after seeing me for an hour.

> Notice that she never mentioned the word borderline.

>

> So now he is talking about changing my medication, and when every

> other doctor read my journal he will read that I am a borderline

> personality.

>

> I feel so helpless. I am not borderline! I´m not even sure I am

> depressed or bipolar. I feel I have to defend myself, and it´s not

> because I also think that I can´t connect with other people. I am

> very good at that, and very good at having long relationships. It´s

> not because I think I have no ematphy with others. I have always

> have a very good empathic feeling, even as a child.

>

> I am not terrified of separation in general. I am terrified of Hans

> death, and I guess I share the fear of losing your soulmate with

> many others, and that doesn´t make any of us is borderlines.

>

> I think my impuls control is average. I don´t have a story that I

> have to do the first thing that comes to my mind. And sometimes I

> act from impulse of course. That is not a problem for me.

>

> Careless about myself and other people. It has happened of course. I

> don´t see it as a common behaviour for me, far from. I am very

> caring to all my loved ones, my friends and family and people I

> don´t know too.

>

> Well, this really got my stories running. I am afraid, and can´t

> stop thinking about this. I could really use your help now! Do you

> think I am borderline? How do I work with htis? Please help me!

>

> Love,

>

February 9, 2006

dear maria.. i think you should read psychiatry ultimate betrayal..

but i dont think you will..

Anyway, in a nutshell they pretend to be able to label people and make

up these diseases that never existed before psychiatry.

I think at some point in time everyone on the planet has those

characteristics.temporarily. .

Ive had all of these characteristics ..I dont consider myself to be

borderline anything. Human yes.

Having trouble connecting with other people.

> Hard to feel empathy for others.

> No impulscontrol.

> Terrified of separations.

> Careless about yourself and others.

The characteristics for a hyper child are characteristics of any kid

for example.

I dont think you have these characteristics at all so i dont think you

are borderline anything but i think its in their best interests for

you to have some sort of disorder otherwise what have they to do.

its job security

love, roslyn

>

> I started to see a new psychiatrist yesterday. My old one has moved.

> She was the one that said that I could be bipolar. The defining

> characteristics of a bipolar pirson, were things I could recocnise

> myself with. I have no stressful story about it, on the contraty, it

> explained a lot of things for me.

>

> And yesterday I met this new one, and he wasn´t so sure I was

> bipolar. He thought I was a better match for a borderline

> personality. And then he wrote down on a whiteboard the defining

> characteristics of a borderline person.

>

> Having trouble connecting with other people.

> Hard to feel empathy for others.

> No impulscontrol.

> Terrified of separations.

> Careless about yourself and others.

>

> And when I asked where he got it from, that I should be borderline,

> he refered to something a psychiatrist wrote about me in 1999, when

> I was separating from a boyfriend, after seeing me for an hour.

> Notice that she never mentioned the word borderline.

>

> So now he is talking about changing my medication, and when every

> other doctor read my journal he will read that I am a borderline

> personality.

>

> I feel so helpless. I am not borderline! I´m not even sure I am

> depressed or bipolar. I feel I have to defend myself, and it´s not

> because I also think that I can´t connect with other people. I am

> very good at that, and very good at having long relationships. It´s

> not because I think I have no ematphy with others. I have always

> have a very good empathic feeling, even as a child.

>

> I am not terrified of separation in general. I am terrified of Hans

> death, and I guess I share the fear of losing your soulmate with

> many others, and that doesn´t make any of us is borderlines.

>

> I think my impuls control is average. I don´t have a story that I

> have to do the first thing that comes to my mind. And sometimes I

> act from impulse of course. That is not a problem for me.

>

> Careless about myself and other people. It has happened of course. I

> don´t see it as a common behaviour for me, far from. I am very

> caring to all my loved ones, my friends and family and people I

> don´t know too.

>

> Well, this really got my stories running. I am afraid, and can´t

> stop thinking about this. I could really use your help now! Do you

> think I am borderline? How do I work with htis? Please help me!

>

> Love,

>

February 9, 2006

Hi dear ,

Maybe you could write a worksheet on the psychiatrist and your feelings

about him since he labeled you “borderline”.

Also, you might question the thought “I am borderline”. Can you absolutely

know that is true, even if every psychiatrist on earth stated that?

Then this comes to mind: What is the worst that could happen if you were

“borderline?” Make a list and then question your fears.

Thank you for asking for help.

Ric

Seeing a new psychiatrist - need help

I started to see a new psychiatrist yesterday. My old one has moved.

She was the one that said that I could be bipolar. The defining

characteristics of a bipolar pirson, were things I could recocnise

myself with. I have no stressful story about it, on the contraty, it

explained a lot of things for me.

And yesterday I met this new one, and he wasn´t so sure I was

bipolar. He thought I was a better match for a borderline

personality. And then he wrote down on a whiteboard the defining

characteristics of a borderline person.

Having trouble connecting with other people.

Hard to feel empathy for others.

No impulscontrol.

Terrified of separations.

Careless about yourself and others.

And when I asked where he got it from, that I should be borderline,

he refered to something a psychiatrist wrote about me in 1999, when

I was separating from a boyfriend, after seeing me for an hour.

Notice that she never mentioned the word borderline.

So now he is talking about changing my medication, and when every

other doctor read my journal he will read that I am a borderline

personality.

I feel so helpless. I am not borderline! I´m not even sure I am

depressed or bipolar. I feel I have to defend myself, and it´s not

because I also think that I can´t connect with other people. I am

very good at that, and very good at having long relationships. It´s

not because I think I have no ematphy with others. I have always

have a very good empathic feeling, even as a child.

I am not terrified of separation in general. I am terrified of Hans

death, and I guess I share the fear of losing your soulmate with

many others, and that doesn´t make any of us is borderlines.

I think my impuls control is average. I don´t have a story that I

have to do the first thing that comes to my mind. And sometimes I

act from impulse of course. That is not a problem for me.

Careless about myself and other people. It has happened of course. I

don´t see it as a common behaviour for me, far from. I am very

caring to all my loved ones, my friends and family and people I

don´t know too.

Well, this really got my stories running. I am afraid, and can´t

stop thinking about this. I could really use your help now! Do you

think I am borderline? How do I work with htis? Please help me!

Love,

February 9, 2006

I think that you are a wonderful human being.

If it serves you, come to a healing session with the " I don't care vibe " .

You know how many times people tell me things about me

that doesn't resonate in me...

I am going to a coffee shop now

cause I need coffee, if you weren't so far away

I would want you to join me.

If you want to be inspired with the " I don't care " vibe,

stick around me...

Yesterday me and Steve called you, next time stop feeling sorry for yourself

and answer the phone cause we really wanted to talk to you!!!!

Love you, T

-- Seeing a new psychiatrist - need help

I started to see a new psychiatrist yesterday. My old one has moved.

She was the one that said that I could be bipolar. The defining

characteristics of a bipolar pirson, were things I could recocnise

myself with. I have no stressful story about it, on the contraty, it

explained a lot of things for me.

And yesterday I met this new one, and he wasn´t so sure I was

bipolar. He thought I was a better match for a borderline

personality. And then he wrote down on a whiteboard the defining

characteristics of a borderline person.

Having trouble connecting with other people.

Hard to feel empathy for others.

No impulscontrol.

Terrified of separations.

Careless about yourself and others.

And when I asked where he got it from, that I should be borderline,

he refered to something a psychiatrist wrote about me in 1999, when

I was separating from a boyfriend, after seeing me for an hour.

Notice that she never mentioned the word borderline.

So now he is talking about changing my medication, and when every

other doctor read my journal he will read that I am a borderline

personality.

I feel so helpless. I am not borderline! I´m not even sure I am

depressed or bipolar. I feel I have to defend myself, and it´s not

because I also think that I can´t connect with other people. I am

very good at that, and very good at having long relationships. It´s

not because I think I have no ematphy with others. I have always

have a very good empathic feeling, even as a child.

I am not terrified of separation in general. I am terrified of Hans

death, and I guess I share the fear of losing your soulmate with

many others, and that doesn´t make any of us is borderlines.

I think my impuls control is average. I don´t have a story that I

have to do the first thing that comes to my mind. And sometimes I

act from impulse of course. That is not a problem for me.

Careless about myself and other people. It has happened of course. I

don´t see it as a common behaviour for me, far from. I am very

caring to all my loved ones, my friends and family and people I

don´t know too.

Well, this really got my stories running. I am afraid, and can´t

stop thinking about this. I could really use your help now! Do you

think I am borderline? How do I work with htis? Please help me!

Love,

February 10, 2006

Ric

I love your energy, you are a nice guy

-- Seeing a new psychiatrist - need help

I started to see a new psychiatrist yesterday. My old one has moved.

She was the one that said that I could be bipolar. The defining

characteristics of a bipolar pirson, were things I could recocnise

myself with. I have no stressful story about it, on the contraty, it

explained a lot of things for me.

And yesterday I met this new one, and he wasn´t so sure I was

bipolar. He thought I was a better match for a borderline

personality. And then he wrote down on a whiteboard the defining

characteristics of a borderline person.

Having trouble connecting with other people.

Hard to feel empathy for others.

No impulscontrol.

Terrified of separations.

Careless about yourself and others.

And when I asked where he got it from, that I should be borderline,

he refered to something a psychiatrist wrote about me in 1999, when

I was separating from a boyfriend, after seeing me for an hour.

Notice that she never mentioned the word borderline.

So now he is talking about changing my medication, and when every

other doctor read my journal he will read that I am a borderline

personality.

I feel so helpless. I am not borderline! I´m not even sure I am

depressed or bipolar. I feel I have to defend myself, and it´s not

because I also think that I can´t connect with other people. I am

very good at that, and very good at having long relationships. It´s

not because I think I have no ematphy with others. I have always

have a very good empathic feeling, even as a child.

I am not terrified of separation in general. I am terrified of Hans

death, and I guess I share the fear of losing your soulmate with

many others, and that doesn´t make any of us is borderlines.

I think my impuls control is average. I don´t have a story that I

have to do the first thing that comes to my mind. And sometimes I

act from impulse of course. That is not a problem for me.

Careless about myself and other people. It has happened of course. I

don´t see it as a common behaviour for me, far from. I am very

caring to all my loved ones, my friends and family and people I

don´t know too.

Well, this really got my stories running. I am afraid, and can´t

stop thinking about this. I could really use your help now! Do you

think I am borderline? How do I work with htis? Please help me!

Love,

February 10, 2006

> >

> > I started to see a new psychiatrist yesterday. My old one has

moved.

> > She was the one that said that I could be bipolar. The defining

> > characteristics of a bipolar pirson, were things I could

recocnise

> > myself with. I have no stressful story about it, on the

contraty, it

> > explained a lot of things for me.

> >

> > And yesterday I met this new one, and he wasn´t so sure I was

> > bipolar. He thought I was a better match for a borderline

> > personality. And then he wrote down on a whiteboard the defining

> > characteristics of a borderline person.

> >

> > Having trouble connecting with other people.

> > Hard to feel empathy for others.

> > No impulscontrol.

> > Terrified of separations.

> > Careless about yourself and others.

> >

> > And when I asked where he got it from, that I should be

borderline,

> > he refered to something a psychiatrist wrote about me in 1999,

when

> > I was separating from a boyfriend, after seeing me for an hour.

> > Notice that she never mentioned the word borderline.

> >

> > So now he is talking about changing my medication, and when

every

> > other doctor read my journal he will read that I am a borderline

> > personality.

> >

> > I feel so helpless. I am not borderline! I´m not even sure I am

> > depressed or bipolar. I feel I have to defend myself, and it´s

not

> > because I also think that I can´t connect with other people. I

am

> > very good at that, and very good at having long relationships.

It´s

> > not because I think I have no ematphy with others. I have always

> > have a very good empathic feeling, even as a child.

> >

> > I am not terrified of separation in general. I am terrified of

Hans

> > death, and I guess I share the fear of losing your soulmate with

> > many others, and that doesn´t make any of us is borderlines.

> >

> > I think my impuls control is average. I don´t have a story that

I

> > have to do the first thing that comes to my mind. And sometimes

I

> > act from impulse of course. That is not a problem for me.

> >

> > Careless about myself and other people. It has happened of

course. I

> > don´t see it as a common behaviour for me, far from. I am very

> > caring to all my loved ones, my friends and family and people I

> > don´t know too.

> >

> > Well, this really got my stories running. I am afraid, and can´t

> > stop thinking about this. I could really use your help now! Do

you

> > think I am borderline? How do I work with htis? Please help me!

> >

> > Love,

> >

>

February 10, 2006

> >

> > I started to see a new psychiatrist yesterday. My old one has

moved.

> > She was the one that said that I could be bipolar. The defining

> > characteristics of a bipolar pirson, were things I could

recocnise

> > myself with. I have no stressful story about it, on the

contraty, it

> > explained a lot of things for me.

> >

> > And yesterday I met this new one, and he wasn´t so sure I was

> > bipolar. He thought I was a better match for a borderline

> > personality. And then he wrote down on a whiteboard the defining

> > characteristics of a borderline person.

> >

> > Having trouble connecting with other people.

> > Hard to feel empathy for others.

> > No impulscontrol.

> > Terrified of separations.

> > Careless about yourself and others.

> >

> > And when I asked where he got it from, that I should be

borderline,

> > he refered to something a psychiatrist wrote about me in 1999,

when

> > I was separating from a boyfriend, after seeing me for an hour.

> > Notice that she never mentioned the word borderline.

> >

> > So now he is talking about changing my medication, and when

every

> > other doctor read my journal he will read that I am a borderline

> > personality.

> >

> > I feel so helpless. I am not borderline! I´m not even sure I am

> > depressed or bipolar. I feel I have to defend myself, and it´s

not

> > because I also think that I can´t connect with other people. I

am

> > very good at that, and very good at having long relationships.

It´s

> > not because I think I have no ematphy with others. I have always

> > have a very good empathic feeling, even as a child.

> >

> > I am not terrified of separation in general. I am terrified of

Hans

> > death, and I guess I share the fear of losing your soulmate with

> > many others, and that doesn´t make any of us is borderlines.

> >

> > I think my impuls control is average. I don´t have a story that

I

> > have to do the first thing that comes to my mind. And sometimes

I

> > act from impulse of course. That is not a problem for me.

> >

> > Careless about myself and other people. It has happened of

course. I

> > don´t see it as a common behaviour for me, far from. I am very

> > caring to all my loved ones, my friends and family and people I

> > don´t know too.

> >

> > Well, this really got my stories running. I am afraid, and can´t

> > stop thinking about this. I could really use your help now! Do

you

> > think I am borderline? How do I work with htis? Please help me!

> >

> > Love,

> >

>

February 10, 2006

Hi Ric,

I appreciate your help! I will do a worksheet later. Exellent

suggestion.

Love you,

>

> Hi dear ,

>

> Maybe you could write a worksheet on the psychiatrist and your

feelings

> about him since he labeled you " borderline " .

>

> Also, you might question the thought " I am borderline " . Can you

absolutely

> know that is true, even if every psychiatrist on earth stated that?

>

> Then this comes to mind: What is the worst that could happen if

you were

> " borderline? " Make a list and then question your fears.

>

> Thank you for asking for help.

>

> Ric

>

> Seeing a new psychiatrist - need help

>

> I started to see a new psychiatrist yesterday. My old one has

moved.

> She was the one that said that I could be bipolar. The defining

> characteristics of a bipolar pirson, were things I could recocnise

> myself with. I have no stressful story about it, on the contraty,

it

> explained a lot of things for me.

>

> And yesterday I met this new one, and he wasn´t so sure I was

> bipolar. He thought I was a better match for a borderline

> personality. And then he wrote down on a whiteboard the defining

> characteristics of a borderline person.

>

> Having trouble connecting with other people.

> Hard to feel empathy for others.

> No impulscontrol.

> Terrified of separations.

> Careless about yourself and others.

>

> And when I asked where he got it from, that I should be

borderline,

> he refered to something a psychiatrist wrote about me in 1999,

when

> I was separating from a boyfriend, after seeing me for an hour.

> Notice that she never mentioned the word borderline.

>

> So now he is talking about changing my medication, and when every

> other doctor read my journal he will read that I am a borderline

> personality.

>

> I feel so helpless. I am not borderline! I´m not even sure I am

> depressed or bipolar. I feel I have to defend myself, and it´s not

> because I also think that I can´t connect with other people. I am

> very good at that, and very good at having long relationships.

It´s

> not because I think I have no ematphy with others. I have always

> have a very good empathic feeling, even as a child.

>

> I am not terrified of separation in general. I am terrified of

Hans

> death, and I guess I share the fear of losing your soulmate with

> many others, and that doesn´t make any of us is borderlines.

>

> I think my impuls control is average. I don´t have a story that I

> have to do the first thing that comes to my mind. And sometimes I

> act from impulse of course. That is not a problem for me.

>

> Careless about myself and other people. It has happened of course.

I

> don´t see it as a common behaviour for me, far from. I am very

> caring to all my loved ones, my friends and family and people I

> don´t know too.

>

> Well, this really got my stories running. I am afraid, and can´t

> stop thinking about this. I could really use your help now! Do you

> think I am borderline? How do I work with htis? Please help me!

>

> Love,

>

February 10, 2006

wrote:

Thank you Tamara! I really, reaaly don´t see myself as a borderline

either. In fact I grew up with one. And I just can´t indentify with

it. And of course I can indentity myself with almost everything at

one point or another in my life, but as a whole - no.

### ~ As you know, defense is the first act of war. Can you find where

you ARE a borderline personality (I'm sure most of us can), where you exhibit,

even in a very small way, those characteristics? When we are asked to find the

truth of what another is saying, we are not asked to identify " as a whole " as

you put it! We are asked to go inside, find where it is or has been true for us

in the past. Find it. Sit with it. Can you join with this psychiatrist, can

you see why he could think this about you?

### If you can find where this is true, perhaps you could have a very

interesting conversation with this new psychiatrist about how you understand how

he could see you this way and how it just isnt your experience in this moment.

You could then discuss what you do see as your presenting symptoms and get his

opinion. You can then decide what to do or not do, take his advice or not take

his advice.

### There is a gift here for you. This is another human being giving you his

opinion. Rather than fight it, rather than going to war, perhaps you can find

the gift and enter into a real dialogue with this person and have an adult

relationshop with him, one that could be very helpful to you and to him.

Good luck,

February 10, 2006

>

> Thank you Tamara! I really, reaaly don´t see myself as a

borderline

> either. In fact I grew up with one. And I just can´t indentify

with

> it. And of course I can indentity myself with almost everything at

> one point or another in my life, but as a whole - no.

>

> ### ~ As you know, defense is the first act of war. Can

you find where you ARE a borderline personality (I'm sure most of us

can), where you exhibit, even in a very small way, those

characteristics? When we are asked to find the truth of what

another is saying, we are not asked to identify " as a whole " as you

put it! We are asked to go inside, find where it is or has been

true for us in the past. Find it. Sit with it. Can you join with

this psychiatrist, can you see why he could think this about you?

>

> ### If you can find where this is true, perhaps you could have a

very interesting conversation with this new psychiatrist about how

you understand how he could see you this way and how it just isnt

your experience in this moment. You could then discuss what you do

see as your presenting symptoms and get his opinion. You can then

decide what to do or not do, take his advice or not take his advice.

>

> ### There is a gift here for you. This is another human being

giving you his opinion. Rather than fight it, rather than going to

war, perhaps you can find the gift and enter into a real dialogue

with this person and have an adult relationshop with him, one that

could be very helpful to you and to him.

>

> Good luck,

>

February 10, 2006

Tamar,

I love your energy too. My story of you is that you are a wild and free

spirit that won't be stopped. Now I turn it around and see me.

Ric

>

>Reply-To: Loving-what-is

>To: Loving-what-is

>Subject: RE: Seeing a new psychiatrist - need help

>Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:05:07 +0200

>

>Ric

>

>I love your energy, you are a nice guy

>

>-- Seeing a new psychiatrist - need help

>

>I started to see a new psychiatrist yesterday. My old one has moved.

>She was the one that said that I could be bipolar. The defining

>characteristics of a bipolar pirson, were things I could recocnise

>myself with. I have no stressful story about it, on the contraty, it

>explained a lot of things for me.

>

>And yesterday I met this new one, and he wasn´t so sure I was

>bipolar. He thought I was a better match for a borderline

>personality. And then he wrote down on a whiteboard the defining

>characteristics of a borderline person.

>

>Having trouble connecting with other people.

>Hard to feel empathy for others.

>No impulscontrol.

>Terrified of separations.

>Careless about yourself and others.

>

>And when I asked where he got it from, that I should be borderline,

>he refered to something a psychiatrist wrote about me in 1999, when

>I was separating from a boyfriend, after seeing me for an hour.

>Notice that she never mentioned the word borderline.

>

>So now he is talking about changing my medication, and when every

>other doctor read my journal he will read that I am a borderline

>personality.

>

>I feel so helpless. I am not borderline! I´m not even sure I am

>depressed or bipolar. I feel I have to defend myself, and it´s not

>because I also think that I can´t connect with other people. I am

>very good at that, and very good at having long relationships. It´s

>not because I think I have no ematphy with others. I have always

>have a very good empathic feeling, even as a child.

>

>I am not terrified of separation in general. I am terrified of Hans

>death, and I guess I share the fear of losing your soulmate with

>many others, and that doesn´t make any of us is borderlines.

>

>I think my impuls control is average. I don´t have a story that I

>have to do the first thing that comes to my mind. And sometimes I

>act from impulse of course. That is not a problem for me.

>

>Careless about myself and other people. It has happened of course. I

>don´t see it as a common behaviour for me, far from. I am very

>caring to all my loved ones, my friends and family and people I

>don´t know too.

>

>Well, this really got my stories running. I am afraid, and can´t

>stop thinking about this. I could really use your help now! Do you

>think I am borderline? How do I work with htis? Please help me!

>

>Love,

>

February 10, 2006

You could be right, Ric

Sometimes I am like that, until I am not

I wanted to add that I have a lot of courage, I am not affraid to do

things.

Like, go on a blind date in a forner country

or ride a motorscooter.

Yet, what is courage anyway?

T

> Tamar,

>

> I love your energy too. My story of you is that you are a wild

and free

> spirit that won't be stopped. Now I turn it around and see me.

>

> Ric

>

> >

> >Reply-To: Loving-what-is

> >To: Loving-what-is

> >Subject: RE: Seeing a new psychiatrist - need

help

> >Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:05:07 +0200

> >

> >Ric

> >

> >I love your energy, you are a nice guy

> >

> >-- Seeing a new psychiatrist - need help

> >

> >I started to see a new psychiatrist yesterday. My old one has

moved.

> >She was the one that said that I could be bipolar. The defining

> >characteristics of a bipolar pirson, were things I could recocnise

> >myself with. I have no stressful story about it, on the contraty,

it

> >explained a lot of things for me.

> >

> >And yesterday I met this new one, and he wasn´t so sure I was

> >bipolar. He thought I was a better match for a borderline

> >personality. And then he wrote down on a whiteboard the defining

> >characteristics of a borderline person.

> >

> >Having trouble connecting with other people.

> >Hard to feel empathy for others.

> >No impulscontrol.

> >Terrified of separations.

> >Careless about yourself and others.

> >

> >And when I asked where he got it from, that I should be

borderline,

> >he refered to something a psychiatrist wrote about me in 1999,

when

> >I was separating from a boyfriend, after seeing me for an hour.

> >Notice that she never mentioned the word borderline.

> >

> >So now he is talking about changing my medication, and when every

> >other doctor read my journal he will read that I am a borderline

> >personality.

> >

> >I feel so helpless. I am not borderline! I´m not even sure I am

> >depressed or bipolar. I feel I have to defend myself, and it´s not

> >because I also think that I can´t connect with other people. I am

> >very good at that, and very good at having long relationships.

It´s

> >not because I think I have no ematphy with others. I have always

> >have a very good empathic feeling, even as a child.

> >

> >I am not terrified of separation in general. I am terrified of

Hans

> >death, and I guess I share the fear of losing your soulmate with

> >many others, and that doesn´t make any of us is borderlines.

> >

> >I think my impuls control is average. I don´t have a story that I

> >have to do the first thing that comes to my mind. And sometimes I

> >act from impulse of course. That is not a problem for me.

> >

> >Careless about myself and other people. It has happened of

course. I

> >don´t see it as a common behaviour for me, far from. I am very

> >caring to all my loved ones, my friends and family and people I

> >don´t know too.

> >

> >Well, this really got my stories running. I am afraid, and can´t

> >stop thinking about this. I could really use your help now! Do you

> >think I am borderline? How do I work with htis? Please help me!

> >

> >Love,

> >

February 10, 2006

dear maria, yeah, Labeling is their job and also according to my unity

teacher, flo, We label things all the time And she says we should be

careful what we believe and say

I have a hard time talking to Flo because i usually say something

negative -out of habit -and then im embarassed.

In the Bible, Adam was given the power to name things.. or something

like that -and the metaphysical interpretation is that we have the

power to name what appears in our lives.

For example to name a problem -a problem or a challenge.

to name an experience good or bad. a person good or bad.

etc. etc

I suppose if you love what is , you call everything good. Like mary

did in an earlier letter on love. loved that letter, mary.

Anyway , It sounds to me like you are dependent on some sort of

diagnosis to keep your leave of absence so i suppose you dont have a

choice. but you dont have to believe any of it.

Also that book is written mostly about pscychiatry in the US.

the book lists a few points in the last chapter.

1, Pscyhiatry falsely claims to be a science.

2 Despite its declared altruitic motives, psychiatry is a business

with the primary motive of making money for its practitioners.

3 When psychiatry enters an area, the amount of mental illness

increases. (schools, courts, etc. )

4 When psychiatry enters an area, conditions worsen, and it brings

out the worst in people.

Literacy rates in schools systems drop with pscyhiatry present

One could argue these points and theres really 7 but you get the

general idea.

love, roslyn

> > >

> > > I started to see a new psychiatrist yesterday. My old one has

> moved.

> > > She was the one that said that I could be bipolar. The defining

> > > characteristics of a bipolar pirson, were things I could

> recocnise

> > > myself with. I have no stressful story about it, on the

> contraty, it

> > > explained a lot of things for me.

> > >

> > > And yesterday I met this new one, and he wasn´t so sure I was

> > > bipolar. He thought I was a better match for a borderline

> > > personality. And then he wrote down on a whiteboard the defining

> > > characteristics of a borderline person.

> > >

> > > Having trouble connecting with other people.

> > > Hard to feel empathy for others.

> > > No impulscontrol.

> > > Terrified of separations.

> > > Careless about yourself and others.

> > >

> > > And when I asked where he got it from, that I should be

> borderline,

> > > he refered to something a psychiatrist wrote about me in 1999,

> when

> > > I was separating from a boyfriend, after seeing me for an hour.

> > > Notice that she never mentioned the word borderline.

> > >

> > > So now he is talking about changing my medication, and when

> every

> > > other doctor read my journal he will read that I am a borderline

> > > personality.

> > >

> > > I feel so helpless. I am not borderline! I´m not even sure I am

> > > depressed or bipolar. I feel I have to defend myself, and it´s

> not

> > > because I also think that I can´t connect with other people. I

> am

> > > very good at that, and very good at having long relationships.

> It´s

> > > not because I think I have no ematphy with others. I have always

> > > have a very good empathic feeling, even as a child.

> > >

> > > I am not terrified of separation in general. I am terrified of

> Hans

> > > death, and I guess I share the fear of losing your soulmate with

> > > many others, and that doesn´t make any of us is borderlines.

> > >

> > > I think my impuls control is average. I don´t have a story that

> I

> > > have to do the first thing that comes to my mind. And sometimes

> I

> > > act from impulse of course. That is not a problem for me.

> > >

> > > Careless about myself and other people. It has happened of

> course. I

> > > don´t see it as a common behaviour for me, far from. I am very

> > > caring to all my loved ones, my friends and family and people I

> > > don´t know too.

> > >

> > > Well, this really got my stories running. I am afraid, and can´t

> > > stop thinking about this. I could really use your help now! Do

> you

> > > think I am borderline? How do I work with htis? Please help me!

> > >

> > > Love,

> > >

> >

>

February 10, 2006

maria, rereading my letter i see its just more stories..

WEll i can see why you might not want to read the book.

oh well.never mind,

love,

rh

-- In Loving-what-is , " mrcitrus6 " wrote:

>

> dear maria, yeah, Labeling is their job and also according to my unity

> teacher, flo, We label things all the time And she says we should be

> careful what we believe and say

> I have a hard time talking to Flo because i usually say something

> negative -out of habit -and then im embarassed.

> In the Bible, Adam was given the power to name things.. or something

> like that -and the metaphysical interpretation is that we have the

> power to name what appears in our lives.

> For example to name a problem -a problem or a challenge.

> to name an experience good or bad. a person good or bad.

> etc. etc

> I suppose if you love what is , you call everything good. Like mary

> did in an earlier letter on love. loved that letter, mary.

>

> Anyway , It sounds to me like you are dependent on some sort of

> diagnosis to keep your leave of absence so i suppose you dont have a

> choice. but you dont have to believe any of it.

>

> Also that book is written mostly about pscychiatry in the US.

> the book lists a few points in the last chapter.

> 1, Pscyhiatry falsely claims to be a science.

> 2 Despite its declared altruitic motives, psychiatry is a business

> with the primary motive of making money for its practitioners.

> 3 When psychiatry enters an area, the amount of mental illness

> increases. (schools, courts, etc. )

> 4 When psychiatry enters an area, conditions worsen, and it brings

> out the worst in people.

> Literacy rates in schools systems drop with pscyhiatry present

> One could argue these points and theres really 7 but you get the

> general idea.

> love, roslyn

>

> > > >

> > > > I started to see a new psychiatrist yesterday. My old one has

> > moved.

> > > > She was the one that said that I could be bipolar. The defining

> > > > characteristics of a bipolar pirson, were things I could

> > recocnise

> > > > myself with. I have no stressful story about it, on the

> > contraty, it

> > > > explained a lot of things for me.

> > > >

> > > > And yesterday I met this new one, and he wasn´t so sure I was

> > > > bipolar. He thought I was a better match for a borderline

> > > > personality. And then he wrote down on a whiteboard the defining

> > > > characteristics of a borderline person.

> > > >

> > > > Having trouble connecting with other people.

> > > > Hard to feel empathy for others.

> > > > No impulscontrol.

> > > > Terrified of separations.

> > > > Careless about yourself and others.

> > > >

> > > > And when I asked where he got it from, that I should be

> > borderline,

> > > > he refered to something a psychiatrist wrote about me in 1999,

> > when

> > > > I was separating from a boyfriend, after seeing me for an hour.

> > > > Notice that she never mentioned the word borderline.

> > > >

> > > > So now he is talking about changing my medication, and when

> > every

> > > > other doctor read my journal he will read that I am a borderline

> > > > personality.

> > > >

> > > > I feel so helpless. I am not borderline! I´m not even sure I am

> > > > depressed or bipolar. I feel I have to defend myself, and it´s

> > not

> > > > because I also think that I can´t connect with other people. I

> > am

> > > > very good at that, and very good at having long relationships.

> > It´s

> > > > not because I think I have no ematphy with others. I have always

> > > > have a very good empathic feeling, even as a child.

> > > >

> > > > I am not terrified of separation in general. I am terrified of

> > Hans

> > > > death, and I guess I share the fear of losing your soulmate with

> > > > many others, and that doesn´t make any of us is borderlines.

> > > >

> > > > I think my impuls control is average. I don´t have a story that

> > I

> > > > have to do the first thing that comes to my mind. And sometimes

> > I

> > > > act from impulse of course. That is not a problem for me.

> > > >

> > > > Careless about myself and other people. It has happened of

> > course. I

> > > > don´t see it as a common behaviour for me, far from. I am very

> > > > caring to all my loved ones, my friends and family and people I

> > > > don´t know too.

> > > >

> > > > Well, this really got my stories running. I am afraid, and can´t

> > > > stop thinking about this. I could really use your help now! Do

> > you

> > > > think I am borderline? How do I work with htis? Please help me!

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 10, 2006

Hi ,

My reaction when I read this was " Phhhhhtt! What an idiot that

psychiatrist is! " You don't strike me as having any of the

characteristics of BPD, and I have known people with it. My first

thought was that you are obviously capable of empathy, how else

would I feel so much love and caring from your posts to me and

others? If you didn't care about others, you wouldn't be moved to

respond to their suffering. Ridulous!

I have felt the victim of the same thing. Two years ago I had a

psychitrist who I saw for 45 minutes every threee months or so, to

check on my prescription for Prozac, which I took for a year. My

husband had left me for another woman and my (young) dad was dying

of pancreatic cancer. The psychiatrist said to me, " Are you in

denial that your dad is dying? " I was so surprised, and I said, " No,

not all. " I wondered how he could think that when I had been talking

about my dad's pending death -- no denial in sight. And he said, " Oh

because I think you are a person who is in tries not to notice

things because you didn't know your husband was having an affair. "

Outrageous! I didn't know my husband was having an affair because he

took great pains to conceal it from me, not because I was in denial.

I didn't try to pretend he wasn't having one when I found out,

either. I didn't try to deny anything that was happening. To me it

seemed like he wanted an excuse to renew my prescription. Or

something. It wasn't like those times when I feel defensive because

there's an inkling of truth in there. My heart just simply and

calmly said, " he's wrong. " Just as you know that this person is

wrong. Maybe borderline is his projection, LOL! Unless Hans secretly

writes all your posts for you, do not worry for another second!

Big hugs,

Love,

Karin

>

> I started to see a new psychiatrist yesterday. My old one has

moved.

> She was the one that said that I could be bipolar. The defining

> characteristics of a bipolar pirson, were things I could recocnise

> myself with. I have no stressful story about it, on the contraty,

it

> explained a lot of things for me.

>

> And yesterday I met this new one, and he wasn´t so sure I was

> bipolar. He thought I was a better match for a borderline

> personality. And then he wrote down on a whiteboard the defining

> characteristics of a borderline person.

>

> Having trouble connecting with other people.

> Hard to feel empathy for others.

> No impulscontrol.

> Terrified of separations.

> Careless about yourself and others.

>

> And when I asked where he got it from, that I should be

borderline,

> he refered to something a psychiatrist wrote about me in 1999,

when

> I was separating from a boyfriend, after seeing me for an hour.

> Notice that she never mentioned the word borderline.

>

> So now he is talking about changing my medication, and when every

> other doctor read my journal he will read that I am a borderline

> personality.

>

> I feel so helpless. I am not borderline! I´m not even sure I am

> depressed or bipolar. I feel I have to defend myself, and it´s not

> because I also think that I can´t connect with other people. I am

> very good at that, and very good at having long relationships.

It´s

> not because I think I have no ematphy with others. I have always

> have a very good empathic feeling, even as a child.

>

> I am not terrified of separation in general. I am terrified of

Hans

> death, and I guess I share the fear of losing your soulmate with

> many others, and that doesn´t make any of us is borderlines.

>

> I think my impuls control is average. I don´t have a story that I

> have to do the first thing that comes to my mind. And sometimes I

> act from impulse of course. That is not a problem for me.

>

> Careless about myself and other people. It has happened of course.

I

> don´t see it as a common behaviour for me, far from. I am very

> caring to all my loved ones, my friends and family and people I

> don´t know too.

>

> Well, this really got my stories running. I am afraid, and can´t

> stop thinking about this. I could really use your help now! Do you

> think I am borderline? How do I work with htis? Please help me!

>

> Love,

>

February 11, 2006

Hi T,

I’ve heard that what we call courage is “living your integrity”.

Ric

Seeing a new psychiatrist - need help

> >

> >I started to see a new psychiatrist yesterday. My old one has

moved.

> >She was the one that said that I could be bipolar. The defining

> >characteristics of a bipolar pirson, were things I could recocnise

> >myself with. I have no stressful story about it, on the contraty,

it

> >explained a lot of things for me.

> >

> >And yesterday I met this new one, and he wasn´t so sure I was

> >bipolar. He thought I was a better match for a borderline

> >personality. And then he wrote down on a whiteboard the defining

> >characteristics of a borderline person.

> >

> >Having trouble connecting with other people.

> >Hard to feel empathy for others.

> >No impulscontrol.

> >Terrified of separations.

> >Careless about yourself and others.

> >

> >And when I asked where he got it from, that I should be

borderline,

> >he refered to something a psychiatrist wrote about me in 1999,

when

> >I was separating from a boyfriend, after seeing me for an hour.

> >Notice that she never mentioned the word borderline.

> >

> >So now he is talking about changing my medication, and when every

> >other doctor read my journal he will read that I am a borderline

> >personality.

> >

> >I feel so helpless. I am not borderline! I´m not even sure I am

> >depressed or bipolar. I feel I have to defend myself, and it´s not

> >because I also think that I can´t connect with other people. I am

> >very good at that, and very good at having long relationships.

It´s

> >not because I think I have no ematphy with others. I have always

> >have a very good empathic feeling, even as a child.

> >

> >I am not terrified of separation in general. I am terrified of

Hans

> >death, and I guess I share the fear of losing your soulmate with

> >many others, and that doesn´t make any of us is borderlines.

> >

> >I think my impuls control is average. I don´t have a story that I

> >have to do the first thing that comes to my mind. And sometimes I

> >act from impulse of course. That is not a problem for me.

> >

> >Careless about myself and other people. It has happened of

course. I

> >don´t see it as a common behaviour for me, far from. I am very

> >caring to all my loved ones, my friends and family and people I

> >don´t know too.

> >

> >Well, this really got my stories running. I am afraid, and can´t

> >stop thinking about this. I could really use your help now! Do you

> >think I am borderline? How do I work with htis? Please help me!

> >

> >Love,

> >

February 12, 2006

If courage is living your integrity

than I am very courageous.

But courageous is a story

and integrity is a story

Why do we need to label things.

I go to Berlin, What is all the fuss?

For me it is like eating breakfast = doing something I want to do.

Simple!

Bon appetite!, T

-- Seeing a new psychiatrist - need help

> >

> >I started to see a new psychiatrist yesterday. My old one has

moved.

> >She was the one that said that I could be bipolar. The defining

> >characteristics of a bipolar pirson, were things I could recocnise

> >myself with. I have no stressful story about it, on the contraty,

it

> >explained a lot of things for me.

> >

> >And yesterday I met this new one, and he wasn´t so sure I was

> >bipolar. He thought I was a better match for a borderline

> >personality. And then he wrote down on a whiteboard the defining

> >characteristics of a borderline person.

> >

> >Having trouble connecting with other people.

> >Hard to feel empathy for others.

> >No impulscontrol.

> >Terrified of separations.

> >Careless about yourself and others.

> >

> >And when I asked where he got it from, that I should be

borderline,

> >he refered to something a psychiatrist wrote about me in 1999,

when

> >I was separating from a boyfriend, after seeing me for an hour.

> >Notice that she never mentioned the word borderline.

> >

> >So now he is talking about changing my medication, and when every

> >other doctor read my journal he will read that I am a borderline

> >personality.

> >

> >I feel so helpless. I am not borderline! I´m not even sure I am

> >depressed or bipolar. I feel I have to defend myself, and it´s not

> >because I also think that I can´t connect with other people. I am

> >very good at that, and very good at having long relationships.

It´s

> >not because I think I have no ematphy with others. I have always

> >have a very good empathic feeling, even as a child.

> >

> >I am not terrified of separation in general. I am terrified of

Hans

> >death, and I guess I share the fear of losing your soulmate with

> >many others, and that doesn´t make any of us is borderlines.

> >

> >I think my impuls control is average. I don´t have a story that I

> >have to do the first thing that comes to my mind. And sometimes I

> >act from impulse of course. That is not a problem for me.

> >

> >Careless about myself and other people. It has happened of

course. I

> >don´t see it as a common behaviour for me, far from. I am very

> >caring to all my loved ones, my friends and family and people I

> >don´t know too.

> >

> >Well, this really got my stories running. I am afraid, and can´t

> >stop thinking about this. I could really use your help now! Do you

> >think I am borderline? How do I work with htis? Please help me!

> >

> >Love,

> >

February 12, 2006

Why we need to label things? Without a story there is nothing. Who would

you be without a story?

From nothing, something

Back to nothing

Endlessly

That is the way of it

Love,

Ric

Seeing a new psychiatrist - need help

> >

> >I started to see a new psychiatrist yesterday. My old one has

moved.

> >She was the one that said that I could be bipolar. The defining

> >characteristics of a bipolar pirson, were things I could recocnise

> >myself with. I have no stressful story about it, on the contraty,

it

> >explained a lot of things for me.

> >

> >And yesterday I met this new one, and he wasn´t so sure I was

> >bipolar. He thought I was a better match for a borderline

> >personality. And then he wrote down on a whiteboard the defining

> >characteristics of a borderline person.

> >

> >Having trouble connecting with other people.

> >Hard to feel empathy for others.

> >No impulscontrol.

> >Terrified of separations.

> >Careless about yourself and others.

> >

> >And when I asked where he got it from, that I should be

borderline,

> >he refered to something a psychiatrist wrote about me in 1999,

when

> >I was separating from a boyfriend, after seeing me for an hour.

> >Notice that she never mentioned the word borderline.

> >

> >So now he is talking about changing my medication, and when every

> >other doctor read my journal he will read that I am a borderline

> >personality.

> >

> >I feel so helpless. I am not borderline! I´m not even sure I am

> >depressed or bipolar. I feel I have to defend myself, and it´s not

> >because I also think that I can´t connect with other people. I am

> >very good at that, and very good at having long relationships.

It´s

> >not because I think I have no ematphy with others. I have always

> >have a very good empathic feeling, even as a child.

> >

> >I am not terrified of separation in general. I am terrified of

Hans

> >death, and I guess I share the fear of losing your soulmate with

> >many others, and that doesn´t make any of us is borderlines.

> >

> >I think my impuls control is average. I don´t have a story that I

> >have to do the first thing that comes to my mind. And sometimes I

> >act from impulse of course. That is not a problem for me.

> >

> >Careless about myself and other people. It has happened of

course. I

> >don´t see it as a common behaviour for me, far from. I am very

> >caring to all my loved ones, my friends and family and people I

> >don´t know too.

> >

> >Well, this really got my stories running. I am afraid, and can´t

> >stop thinking about this. I could really use your help now! Do you

> >think I am borderline? How do I work with htis? Please help me!

> >

> >Love,

> >

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