Re: 's Face Lift

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>

> People often get confused and think that if I love what is, won't

> I become complacent and just accept everything whether it is

> healthy or not, whether it is in support of comfort and happiness

> or not. This could translate to:

> If I love what is, and I go to a restaurant, and the waiter brings

> me braised liver, then in that moment, if I am clear, braised

> liver is what I wanted him to bring. But does this mean that I

> happily eat the liver? Wouldn't I just love the liver and eat it

> anyway? The answer is not unless I chose to. I might say to the

> waiter, " I appreciate you and what I ordered was sautéed

> vegetables. What you brought is braised liver. I have to be

> somewhere by 8 PM and it's 7:15 right now. What would you suggest? "

>

Hi ,

Nice post, our stories agree 100%

Actually it reminds me of Tami and me. I love that Tami is on this

list, but I still like to remind her from time to time that many of

her personal posts could be sent privately to those concerned rather

than post them in a public forum. LOL ... I guess I come here for

's sautéed vegetables not Tami's braised liver.

Have an awesome day

" The old song asks, " Why do fools fall in love? " Actually, only

fools don't fall in love. Only a fool would believe the lonely,

stressful thoughts that tell him that anything could separate him

from another human being, or from the rest of the human race, or

from birds, trees, pavement, and sky. " Byron

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> >

> > Dear Jill,

> >

> > I had heard something about and a facelift through a dear

> friend. She was quite shocked. I must admit that the facelift

thought

> personally amused me for some reason, but i can deeply see how it

> could be distressing to others, partly because of things has

> said in the past.

> >

> -----------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > Hey guys!!!

> >

> > Jani, I love your quote

> >

> > have you actually ever met anyone likethat--who never

> > felt limited emotions or acted in a limited way? I

> > have been around gurus my whole life, been on this

> > path for decades--not one of them failed to jump off

> > my pedestal.

> >

> > I had gone to Byron 's school and been

> > disappointed. And when I came home, there were many

> > things that occurred and well I think I was depressed

> > for 2 months.

> >

> > And then this change happened. I just understood and

> > realized there was no guru (for me that is). Except

> > for me. magical

> >

> > I have to tell you what happened last night. I was

> > reading the other board and found out byron katie had

> > a facelift.

> >

> > I freaked!

> >

> > when I was at the school I stood up and shared that I

> > was afraid of getting older and the others wouldn't

> > find me attractive...the whole thing.

> >

> > well, katie lit into me (many others came up to me

> > later and sharing my fears agreed she was harsh)

> >

> > she said that the need to remain younger and beautiful

> > in the sense of the world was a sign of a violent

> > mind...that gettingh older and losing attractiveness

> > was a good thing got you to concnetrate on other

> > things in life...and that beauty was in everything as

> > evertyhign.

> >

> > facelift, grrrrr

> >

> > she had said some other things that were

> > hypocritical...by the end of my conversation with my

> > friend I realized how mad I was at myself for taking

> > an abusive talking to that didn't help at all.

> >

> > (yes I feel better about getting older...but not cause

> > of her)

> >

> > she falls farther! and after I work out my

> > resentment...I know I'll be freer even. this will have

> > served.

> >

> > so we continue talking on the phone (and she lets me

> > rant) and I tell my friend I know that I am there.

> >

> > i know that I am masterful even with my limits and

> > dopeyness and fears and my ranting ...I am the

> > velveteen rabbit.

> >

> > and I know that all others are too. Now I know this.

> >

> > she didn't believe that she was. But if I can see it

> > then I can hold it until she does.

> >

> > I can have an outburst and be masterful.

> >

> > why do we think we can't?

> >

> > why can't we start taking our power back from gurus

> > and just see ourselves as the master we seek...all of

> > us...our good bad and ugly (facelifts)...smiles.

> > btw...I have nothing against face lifts...smiles and

> > hugs to all.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> Actually it reminds me of Tami and me. I love that Tami is on this

> list, but I still like to remind her from time to time that many of

> her personal posts could be sent privately to those concerned rather

> than post them in a public forum. LOL ... I guess I come here for

> 's sautéed vegetables not Tami's braised liver.

This amused me, Love. Thanks for the laugh.

And what I want to know is, can we all assign ourselves a particular

dish as alter ego? I would like to be a whiskey bread pudding.

Enjoying our entire available menu here,

Karin

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Hi Karin, I agree that this is an interesting subject. I think for

me to have an opinion is getting in someone else's business, and

that causes me stress. I feel so confident about 's

enlightenment, that I dont need an explanation. I prefer to notice

her holiness and love, and I am glad that she is also pretty!

Love

> > >

> > > Dear Jill,

> > >

> > > I had heard something about and a facelift through a dear

> > friend. She was quite shocked. I must admit that the facelift

> thought

> > personally amused me for some reason, but i can deeply see how it

> > could be distressing to others, partly because of things

has

> > said in the past.

> > >

> > -----------------------------------------------------------------

> > >

> > > Hey guys!!!

> > >

> > > Jani, I love your quote

> > >

> > > have you actually ever met anyone likethat--who never

> > > felt limited emotions or acted in a limited way? I

> > > have been around gurus my whole life, been on this

> > > path for decades--not one of them failed to jump off

> > > my pedestal.

> > >

> > > I had gone to Byron 's school and been

> > > disappointed. And when I came home, there were many

> > > things that occurred and well I think I was depressed

> > > for 2 months.

> > >

> > > And then this change happened. I just understood and

> > > realized there was no guru (for me that is). Except

> > > for me. magical

> > >

> > > I have to tell you what happened last night. I was

> > > reading the other board and found out byron katie had

> > > a facelift.

> > >

> > > I freaked!

> > >

> > > when I was at the school I stood up and shared that I

> > > was afraid of getting older and the others wouldn't

> > > find me attractive...the whole thing.

> > >

> > > well, katie lit into me (many others came up to me

> > > later and sharing my fears agreed she was harsh)

> > >

> > > she said that the need to remain younger and beautiful

> > > in the sense of the world was a sign of a violent

> > > mind...that gettingh older and losing attractiveness

> > > was a good thing got you to concnetrate on other

> > > things in life...and that beauty was in everything as

> > > evertyhign.

> > >

> > > facelift, grrrrr

> > >

> > > she had said some other things that were

> > > hypocritical...by the end of my conversation with my

> > > friend I realized how mad I was at myself for taking

> > > an abusive talking to that didn't help at all.

> > >

> > > (yes I feel better about getting older...but not cause

> > > of her)

> > >

> > > she falls farther! and after I work out my

> > > resentment...I know I'll be freer even. this will have

> > > served.

> > >

> > > so we continue talking on the phone (and she lets me

> > > rant) and I tell my friend I know that I am there.

> > >

> > > i know that I am masterful even with my limits and

> > > dopeyness and fears and my ranting ...I am the

> > > velveteen rabbit.

> > >

> > > and I know that all others are too. Now I know this.

> > >

> > > she didn't believe that she was. But if I can see it

> > > then I can hold it until she does.

> > >

> > > I can have an outburst and be masterful.

> > >

> > > why do we think we can't?

> > >

> > > why can't we start taking our power back from gurus

> > > and just see ourselves as the master we seek...all of

> > > us...our good bad and ugly (facelifts)...smiles.

> > > btw...I have nothing against face lifts...smiles and

> > > hugs to all.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Karin,

Am 16.02.2006 um 00:42 schrieb Karin:

>

>> Whose business is it if I use technology to enhance my face? Still

>> mine.

>

> Definitely your business, . I still ponder this, though.

> You use the word " enhance. " That implies that that you feel that

> having fewer wrinkles is better, no? I am guessing it wouldn't FEEL

> any better. Like if you were lying in the dark, would your face feel

> any better without wrinkles? So how is it better? It LOOKS better,

> right? To other people?

No.

And you know that.

What is saying, is that there is action without motives.

Action without thought.

Sometimes we forget that. We can even go as far as to believing that

there would be NO action WITHOUT motives.

When actually it is the other way around: there is no action WITH

motives. Motives... don't do action. They don't do anything.

They are just thoughts. Come to pass. Don't MAKE anything happen.

Don't TRY to go there. If you really want to ponder about it, ask

yourself if you can find ANYTHING you have ever done without a motive.

Then you may have a place to start from.

> If you were stranded on a desert island for the rest of your life,

> with only you and a plastic surgeon, would you have the surgery?

>

> None of my business, but I'm asking anyhow.

Yes, but you are asking the wrong person.

And it even is the " wrong " question!

> When I read about wanting to get surgery because she lost 100

> pounds and had lots of excess skin hanging from her neck, I can

> imagine that would FEEL uncomfortable, swinging around when she moved.

>

> I see your point in the ordering in a restaurant story, but that one

> has nothing to do with how you appear to other people. I guess what I

> am getting at is, is there a reason that has nothing to do with how

> you appear to others, that you would have cosmetic surgery? If not,

> why not just say that you want to look better to other people? More

> refreshed, less tired, younger, whatever?

Karin, if you are really interested in this:

What do you see when you look in the mirror?

Who are you around ugly people?

- How do you feel?

- What do you think of them?

- What advice do you have for them?

> I'm imagining I would find it refreshing if said, " I'd like to

> reach more people with The Work, and having surgery would make me

> look better on TV and at workshops, and/or I like feeling pretty to

> other people, so I decided to do it. "

>

> Personally I find this subject interesting, and perhaps I will never

> be enlightened enough to not find it so.

Well, keep on running, then!

Take care.

Love,

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