Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Socrates : " Practice dying " On Tuesday, December 14, 2004, at 10:31 AM, SteveDaily wrote: > > > Tami: > > No, I do not find it surprising coming from . > I would find it surprising coming from most people, but not . > > is the one that said " If you still believe that life is higher > than death, then you are confused. " > > was not confused and she was honest. > > Of course, she might have made up some reasons but she responded with > honest sincerity. > > Blessings, Steve D. > > >>>> >>>> Hey >>>> >>>> I have just heard >>>> one of Kathie's cd's >>>> and she told a story >>>> that one night a very close friend of her >>>> called her and told her >>>> that he holds a gun >>>> and he is about to pull the triger >>>> and shut himself >>>> unless she would give him one good >>>> reason why he should live. >>>> >>>> Kathie's response was >>>> I waited and waited and waited >>>> and couldn't find one good reason >>>> that he should live. >>>> >>>> And than she said >>>> I could only tell him the truth... >>>> >>>> Can anyone explain me >>>> what truth she is talking about >>>> in this case? >>>> >>>> Tami > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 > Socrates : " Practice dying " I just spent a month practicing to die, because I was waiting for test results that might indicate that I was, according to the tests anyway. Today the tests results came back all normal. There does appear to be a live mechanism in us that just kicks in automatically the day we are born. This month was great because I realized some things. One: I am not afraid to die, I just didn't want to die slowly and put myself and everyone else through that. Two: I was afraid of the heaviness of my parent's reaction (who have lost 2 children already) and Three: there is all this " stuff " we leave behind - the mess of our possessions and even the body that someone has to do something with. So, this month, I worked on the thought of what the doctor might say. I pictured myself hearing the words that the test results were not good, and of course, I couldn't really imagine the exact words. I used to have such fear of dying and suffering and so many imaginations of putting someone else thru that. I pictured and rehearsed the possibility of my death until the fear, which I felt mainly as a bodily sensation, went away, or was at least not overwhelming. (Today as I was waiting (and waiting) for the test results , I heard the doctor talking about someone who sounded like me (and it was serious) and my heart started pounding, I felt like I was falling thru the sky. Only it wasn't me being talked about after all. So I went out into the sunshine for a walk, came back, and I was okay again.) I pictured telling my parents that I was going to die. I saw that their reaction was their business and not mine. I only had to take care of my feelings, and do the best I could to soothe the way for them. And if I was dying, there was only so much I could do anyway, I couldn't linger on to take care of them or anyone else here. I made plans for all my stuff. And I decided that I would live as long as I could still walk, then I would go to a place like the North Pole and take a long walk until I was so tired I slept and died. I kept picturing this great white expanse of sparkling white snow. I pictured this again and again, me walking to meet my death, at least the death of the body. And so, I changed the old fearful images of suffering and a long prolonged dying - to something I could actually look forward to. Now, the crisis has passed. I am healthy. Tomorrow I could get hit by the proverbial truck, but today here I am. And today I have a greater peace, having met and overcome this obstacle with courage and love. I did the work on the thoughts I had. Last night I went for a long long walk, and I felt so damn healthy and I thought, no I am not sick and I am not dying. Turned out to be true. At least not anymore than anyone is dying. xxxooo > On Tuesday, December 14, 2004, at 10:31 AM, SteveDaily wrote: > > > > > > > Tami: > > > > No, I do not find it surprising coming from . > > I would find it surprising coming from most people, but not . > > > > is the one that said " If you still believe that life is higher > > than death, then you are confused. " > > > > was not confused and she was honest. > > > > Of course, she might have made up some reasons but she responded > with > > honest sincerity. > > > > Blessings, Steve D. > > > > > >>>> > >>>> Hey > >>>> > >>>> I have just heard > >>>> one of Kathie's cd's > >>>> and she told a story > >>>> that one night a very close friend of her > >>>> called her and told her > >>>> that he holds a gun > >>>> and he is about to pull the triger > >>>> and shut himself > >>>> unless she would give him one good > >>>> reason why he should live. > >>>> > >>>> Kathie's response was > >>>> I waited and waited and waited > >>>> and couldn't find one good reason > >>>> that he should live. > >>>> > >>>> And than she said > >>>> I could only tell him the truth... > >>>> > >>>> Can anyone explain me > >>>> what truth she is talking about > >>>> in this case? > >>>> > >>>> Tami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Your salvation teaches gratitude ... Teacher . Our " naughty " topic yielded communion and confirms me in my belief you are worthy and laying my life down for you " nice and healthy " . I have met a remarkable person , like the proverbial and Polar Saint Nick . Thank you for the light you have shared . On Wednesday, December 15, 2004, at 01:19 AM, Silent Center wrote: > > > > >> Socrates : " Practice dying " > > I just spent a month practicing to die, because I was waiting for test > results that might indicate that I was, according to the tests anyway. > > Today the tests results came back all normal. > > There does appear to be a live mechanism in us that just kicks in > automatically the day we are born. > > This month was great because I realized some things. One: I am not > afraid to die, I just didn't want to die slowly and put myself and > everyone else through that. Two: I was afraid of the heaviness of my > parent's reaction (who have lost 2 children already) and Three: there > is all this " stuff " we leave behind - the mess of our possessions and > even the body that someone has to do something with. > > So, this month, I worked on the thought of what the doctor might say. I > pictured myself hearing the words that the test results were not good, > and of course, I couldn't really imagine the exact words. I used to > have such fear of dying and suffering and so many imaginations of > putting someone else thru that. I pictured and rehearsed the > possibility of my death until the fear, which I felt mainly as a bodily > sensation, went away, or was at least not overwhelming. (Today as I was > waiting (and waiting) for the test results , I heard the doctor talking > about someone who sounded like me (and it was serious) and my heart > started pounding, I felt like I was falling thru the sky. Only it > wasn't me being talked about after all. So I went out into the sunshine > for a walk, came back, and I was okay again.) > > I pictured telling my parents that I was going to die. I saw that their > reaction was their business and not mine. I only had to take care of my > feelings, and do the best I could to soothe the way for them. And if I > was dying, there was only so much I could do anyway, I couldn't linger > on to take care of them or anyone else here. > > I made plans for all my stuff. > > And I decided that I would live as long as I could still walk, then I > would go to a place like the North Pole and take a long walk until I > was so tired I slept and died. I kept picturing this great white > expanse of sparkling white snow. I pictured this again and again, me > walking to meet my death, at least the death of the body. > > And so, I changed the old fearful images of suffering and a long > prolonged dying - to something I could actually look forward to. > > Now, the crisis has passed. I am healthy. Tomorrow I could get hit by > the proverbial truck, but today here I am. > > And today I have a greater peace, having met and overcome this obstacle > with courage and love. I did the work on the thoughts I had. Last night > I went for a long long walk, and I felt so damn healthy and I thought, > no I am not sick and I am not dying. Turned out to be true. At least > not anymore than anyone is dying. > > xxxooo > >> On Tuesday, December 14, 2004, at 10:31 AM, SteveDaily wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Tami: >>> >>> No, I do not find it surprising coming from . >>> I would find it surprising coming from most people, but not . >>> >>> is the one that said " If you still believe that life is higher >>> than death, then you are confused. " >>> >>> was not confused and she was honest. >>> >>> Of course, she might have made up some reasons but she responded >> with >>> honest sincerity. >>> >>> Blessings, Steve D. >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey >>>>>> >>>>>> I have just heard >>>>>> one of Kathie's cd's >>>>>> and she told a story >>>>>> that one night a very close friend of her >>>>>> called her and told her >>>>>> that he holds a gun >>>>>> and he is about to pull the triger >>>>>> and shut himself >>>>>> unless she would give him one good >>>>>> reason why he should live. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kathie's response was >>>>>> I waited and waited and waited >>>>>> and couldn't find one good reason >>>>>> that he should live. >>>>>> >>>>>> And than she said >>>>>> I could only tell him the truth... >>>>>> >>>>>> Can anyone explain me >>>>>> what truth she is talking about >>>>>> in this case? >>>>>> >>>>>> Tami >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 your words add warmth. > Your salvation teaches gratitude ... Teacher . Our " naughty " topic > yielded communion and confirms me in my belief you are worthy and > laying my life down for you " nice and healthy " . I have met a > remarkable person , like the proverbial and Polar Saint Nick . Thank > you for the light you have shared . > On Wednesday, December 15, 2004, at 01:19 AM, Silent Center wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> Socrates : " Practice dying " > > > > I just spent a month practicing to die, because I was waiting for > test > > results that might indicate that I was, according to the tests > anyway. > > > > Today the tests results came back all normal. > > > > There does appear to be a live mechanism in us that just kicks in > > automatically the day we are born. > > > > This month was great because I realized some things. One: I am not > > afraid to die, I just didn't want to die slowly and put myself and > > everyone else through that. Two: I was afraid of the heaviness of my > > parent's reaction (who have lost 2 children already) and Three: > there > > is all this " stuff " we leave behind - the mess of our possessions > and > > even the body that someone has to do something with. > > > > So, this month, I worked on the thought of what the doctor might > say. I > > pictured myself hearing the words that the test results were not > good, > > and of course, I couldn't really imagine the exact words. I used to > > have such fear of dying and suffering and so many imaginations of > > putting someone else thru that. I pictured and rehearsed the > > possibility of my death until the fear, which I felt mainly as a > bodily > > sensation, went away, or was at least not overwhelming. (Today as I > was > > waiting (and waiting) for the test results , I heard the doctor > talking > > about someone who sounded like me (and it was serious) and my heart > > started pounding, I felt like I was falling thru the sky. Only it > > wasn't me being talked about after all. So I went out into the > sunshine > > for a walk, came back, and I was okay again.) > > > > I pictured telling my parents that I was going to die. I saw that > their > > reaction was their business and not mine. I only had to take care > of my > > feelings, and do the best I could to soothe the way for them. And > if I > > was dying, there was only so much I could do anyway, I couldn't > linger > > on to take care of them or anyone else here. > > > > I made plans for all my stuff. > > > > And I decided that I would live as long as I could still walk, then > I > > would go to a place like the North Pole and take a long walk until I > > was so tired I slept and died. I kept picturing this great white > > expanse of sparkling white snow. I pictured this again and again, me > > walking to meet my death, at least the death of the body. > > > > And so, I changed the old fearful images of suffering and a long > > prolonged dying - to something I could actually look forward to. > > > > Now, the crisis has passed. I am healthy. Tomorrow I could get hit > by > > the proverbial truck, but today here I am. > > > > And today I have a greater peace, having met and overcome this > obstacle > > with courage and love. I did the work on the thoughts I had. Last > night > > I went for a long long walk, and I felt so damn healthy and I > thought, > > no I am not sick and I am not dying. Turned out to be true. At least > > not anymore than anyone is dying. > > > > xxxooo > > > >> On Tuesday, December 14, 2004, at 10:31 AM, SteveDaily wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> Tami: > >>> > >>> No, I do not find it surprising coming from . > >>> I would find it surprising coming from most people, but not . > >>> > >>> is the one that said " If you still believe that life is > higher > >>> than death, then you are confused. " > >>> > >>> was not confused and she was honest. > >>> > >>> Of course, she might have made up some reasons but she responded > >> with > >>> honest sincerity. > >>> > >>> Blessings, Steve D. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hey > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have just heard > >>>>>> one of Kathie's cd's > >>>>>> and she told a story > >>>>>> that one night a very close friend of her > >>>>>> called her and told her > >>>>>> that he holds a gun > >>>>>> and he is about to pull the triger > >>>>>> and shut himself > >>>>>> unless she would give him one good > >>>>>> reason why he should live. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kathie's response was > >>>>>> I waited and waited and waited > >>>>>> and couldn't find one good reason > >>>>>> that he should live. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And than she said > >>>>>> I could only tell him the truth... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Can anyone explain me > >>>>>> what truth she is talking about > >>>>>> in this case? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Tami > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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