Re: [AMALGAM] DMPS REP INFO

[Guest guest]

At 12:21 AM 04/12/2001 -0400, you wrote:

Wayne: This is utter nonsense. If this " rep " is truly working with

Heyl...why are e-mails/inquiries not going to Heyl or the rep's company

over in NA? These addresses are all generic...anyone could have set these

up. Who knows who is at the other end? For all we know, could be

Klinghardt or a Bickle, grinding their own axes. I mean, a large

company with an address at Hotmail?? Puleezze!

Any pharmaceutical company worth their salt has " hot lines where the

public can call in and receive information about any drug they are planning

to take or that has been suggested to them. DMPS is of great concern to

many...why should their rep be afraid of the public? And why should all

discussion be only between doctors, when it is the patient who is on the

receiving end?? If patients have no input..it is not right. You, of all

people should be acutely aware of the whole " Informed Consent " issue.

Patients can call any compounding pharmacy such as College Pharmacy in

Colorado or Kirkman Labs who handle DMSA and receive information or speak

with a bona fide rep. Sorry, buy I just do not accept the mystique here

nor the bogus addresses. Others may disagree with me and that's fine...but

if it were my health on the line, I would want better access to information.

Deb.

>As reps in North America deal with doctors and are afraid of getting

>inundated with calls from the public, I have been asked not to publish

>phone number on the net. However, they have set-up an e-mail address for

>public inquiries, where they will attempt to address concerns. I have also

>been advised that a web site will be up shortly. To contact North American

>Representative, send e-mails to

><mailto:learndmps@...>learndmps@....

>

>Doctors are also invited to join

><mailto:doctors2doctors >doctors2doctors ,

>where chelation and heavy metal detox is to be discussed amongst the

>profession involved in providing treatment.A DMPS rep will be contributing

>to this group.

>

>In addition, abstracts and other information including the monograph for

>DMPS will soon be posted on

><mailto:Doctors_Reference >Doctors_Reference

>

>To subscribe to either of these, send e-mail to

><mailto:groupname-subscribe >groupname-subscribe

>

>Hope this has helped.

>Best regards

>Wayne Obie

>

>

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Deb

I was only the messenger.

Heyl from what I understand is a very conservative company that would not

even consider getting involved in any of this. The North American office is

a small office that works specfically with compounding pharmacies and

doctors. I can sure understand their reluictance to start handling hundreds

of phone calls and e-mails from the public.

> Any pharmaceutical company worth their salt has " hot lines where the

> public can call in and receive information about any drug they are

planning

> to take or that has been suggested to them.

They have no dealings direct with the public. Heyl is not some mickey mouse

little company.

?

And why should all

> discussion be only between doctors, when it is the patient who is on the

> receiving end?? If patients have no input..it is not right.

Why should doctors who are working together not have the right to have a

group of their own.. I established both of these groups to facilitate an

intiative happening in North America, where doctors acrioss Canada and the

U.S. are currently working together to try to make better access to

integrated health care available. There are many plans in the works right

now, including some that may make health immediate care accessible to those

who cannot currently afford it. The establishment of these groups

(Doctors2Doctors) & )Doctors_Reference) is to facilitate communicatioon and

information sharing between these doctors, who have a lot of details to work

out. Are you suggesting that they do not have the right to do this, without

public involvment?

You, of all

> people should be acutely aware of the whole " Informed Consent " issue.

Informed Consent is not even remotely an issue. There are all kinds of

groups that are open to discussion by all. I have unmoderated open

discussion groups myself. Saying that a specific group may not have a closed

list where ideas etc are exchanged, is ridiculous.

>

> Patients can call any compounding pharmacy such as College Pharmacy in

> Colorado or Kirkman Labs who handle DMSA and receive information or speak

> with a bona fide rep.

And it is componding pharmacies and educated doctors to whom the patients

should go to for information. I do not see reps of any of the large labs on

any of these lists debating with the public. However I do you see you

saying this professor said this and that lab said the other thing. Is that

bogus? Is it a means of self promotion, or is it sharing? Being a

homeopath, and and as a seller of products on the internet, you know that

the internet is filled with people providing medical advise to others

pretending to be doctors and everything else. How do you know who anybody

is? I constantly watch people waive names around just add to their own

credibility.

I am sure that the real practitioners that contact the manufacturers rep

will be able to satisfy themselves that they are dealing with the real

thing, and if they chose, they may select as you do, to share information

with the public.

Sorry, buy I just do not accept the mystique here

> nor the bogus addresses. Others may disagree with me and that's

fine...but

> if it were my health on the line, I would want better access to

information.

Hopefully we will have better informed doctors in the future. I am doing

what I can to make it happen.

Wayne Obie.

..

[Guest guest]

At 09:20 AM 04/12/2001 -0400, you wrote:

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>

>Deb

>I was only the messenger.

Well, not really...Talk International set up these groups..so I think you

are more than just a lowly messenger.

>Heyl from what I understand is a very conservative company that would not

>even consider getting involved in any of this.

Why would Heyl not want to be involved? They make the stuff!

>The North American office is

>a small office that works specfically with compounding pharmacies and

>doctors. I can sure understand their reluictance to start handling hundreds

>of phone calls and e-mails from the public.

Ok, they are small here...so again my question...why is the e-mail address

not directed to the parent company? Where I assume the experts/science

types are?

> > Any pharmaceutical company worth their salt has " hot lines where the

> > public can call in and receive information about any drug they are

>planning

> > to take or that has been suggested to them.

>

>They have no dealings direct with the public. Heyl is not some mickey mouse

>little company.

This is contrary in terms...If they are NOT " Mickey Mouse " as you

say...then they should have a method whereby the public can access

information, right????

>?

>

>And why should all

> > discussion be only between doctors, when it is the patient who is on the

> > receiving end?? If patients have no input..it is not right.

>

>Why should doctors who are working together not have the right to have a

>group of their own.. I established both of these groups to facilitate an

>intiative happening in North America, where doctors acrioss Canada and the

>U.S. are currently working together to try to make better access to

>integrated health care available.

Of course...this is great...if it were the truth. In your original mail

this morning..these groups are for the discussion, primarily of DMPS and

related information which, again, I say, the public should have access to.....

> There are many plans in the works right

>now, including some that may make health immediate care accessible to those

>who cannot currently afford it. The establishment of these groups

>(Doctors2Doctors) & )Doctors_Reference) is to facilitate communicatioon and

>information sharing between these doctors, who have a lot of details to work

>out. Are you suggesting that they do not have the right to do this, without

>public involvment?

<Sigh> We are going around in circle here. Of course doctors have private

discussion groups..they are all over the net and I belong to some...but

that was NOT what your first posting said.....

>You, of all

> > people should be acutely aware of the whole " Informed Consent " issue.

>

>Informed Consent is not even remotely an issue.

Not Remotely an Issue.??????...people have every right to be informed...and

we all know that. Excluding them or preventing information from getting to

the public is just wrong and dangerous for them!

> There are all kinds of

>groups that are open to discussion by all. I have unmoderated open

>discussion groups myself. Saying that a specific group may not have a closed

>list where ideas etc are exchanged, is ridiculous.

I've been here, done this one......

> >

> > Patients can call any compounding pharmacy such as College Pharmacy in

> > Colorado or Kirkman Labs who handle DMSA and receive information or speak

> > with a bona fide rep.

>

>And it is componding pharmacies and educated doctors to whom the patients

>should go to for information. I do not see reps of any of the large labs on

>any of these lists debating with the public.

Larry from Kirkman is on the Autism-mercury list all the time and VERY

accessible...

> However I do you see you

>saying this professor said this and that lab said the other thing. Is that

>bogus? Is it a means of self promotion, or is it sharing? Being a

>homeopath, and and as a seller of products on the internet,

All my references are from solid conversations with those who work with

the science daily. Being a Chiropractor, Homeopath and holding a Master's

in Nutrition and Biochem...it is only this kind of information I will

accept as real for my patients.

> you know that

>the internet is filled with people providing medical advise to others

>pretending to be doctors and everything else. How do you know who anybody

>is? I constantly watch people waive names around just add to their own

>credibility.

Too true, Wayne...that's why I don't want to see something else

questionable start up....

>I am sure that the real practitioners that contact the manufacturers rep

>will be able to satisfy themselves that they are dealing with the real

>thing, and if they chose, they may select as you do, to share information

>with the public.

Trouble is...are we contacting the REAL Rep?????

>Sorry, buy I just do not accept the mystique here

> > nor the bogus addresses. Others may disagree with me and that's

>fine...but

> > if it were my health on the line, I would want better access to

>information.

>

>Hopefully we will have better informed doctors in the future. I am doing

>what I can to make it happen.

Still say....authenticity is lacking....just my opinion..

Deb

>Wayne Obie.

>.

>

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