Re: question about hometraining costs

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Hi Renekay,

Where are you located? What is your professional´s consideration about HomeBased training?

Never consider the cost of material without also considering the cost of LEARNING how to use the material.

Especially since you have suggested that you are not very avid computer users. The box does no magic. And the computer can be a second level of frustration.

Here is a little text from our site that touches on this theme

:

"Suppose that you have just bought a home weight-gym. When you first saw it in the store, you KNEW it was the tool you needed to get in shape or to burn off excess calories. Imagining it setup in your garage you saw yourself arriving home from work and sitting down to break a sweat before a healthy supper. You would be getting stronger every week and would be having fun in the process.

Bringing the gymset home, you move the wood-working bench to one side. You have a hard time mounting the gym and understanding how it works, but you do finally manage to put it in between the work bench and the clotheswashing area. Sweep the area, put a little radio on the shelf, and now you're ready to begin a new and more healthy phase of your life.

You are right! All the potential that you feel at that moment is only a small part of your true potential. Tools like the home gym really are great inventions which enhance performance and resolve problems. Life really can be much better because you have made it better for yourself!

Now you have the tool that can make that happen. You also have all your old habits, as well as all the same distractions which take you away from this vision of your potential. More often than not the case is that, unless you have some outside incentive to continue, the home gym will be used for as long as its novelty lasts and then will begin to be used to hang clothes in the clotheswashing area.

Habits are those actions we take every day. They are not bad, and they are not our masters. However, they do not change instantly and do not disappear into a void. They are always replaced with new habits. For this, we don't expect to break a habit. Instead, we choose a healthy new habit.

It takes at the very least 40 days and 40 nights to change from one habit to another one. And it only occurs if the new habit is reinforced with great regularity during the change period. After the change is made, it has become habit.

To make that home gym work for you, it must be worked on by you at least once every other day for a period of time that will, in the end habituate you to more strength, flexibilty and awareness. It is not easy to get home after work every other day and WANT to sweat before supper. It's more a question of discipline than of desire that brings about the long term changes we envision. And when we don't have that discipline, we can either seek outside help or we can eventually watch the home-gym gather dust.

HomeBased supervision is your in-house Personal Trainer. Your superviser works with you for the time it takes to develop a new habit of responsible home biofeedback training. Our Home-Base service has a four month time frame. You know that we are going to be there to ask the necessary questions and make the necessary presence that helps you keep your focus on your long-term personal vision.

Our service, like biofeedback, becomes unnecessary once you have learned and habituated to the self-reference. Eventually you do it entirely on your own."

Hope this helps,

Machado Van Deusen

itallis.com

question about hometraining costs

Is it reasonable to think that you could set up hometraining equipment for $2000? We want to do inner tube game program that my son really likes. The pendant looks like a good option for my sonWe don't even have a computer at home, so we would have to start from scratch. I did see a dell 1505 laptop (memory 1 gb hard drive 80 gb) that is preconfigured for bioexplorer, brain master, procomp. $999 We have done 25 sessions with a provider, and won't consider doing home training until after 40 sessions. I am trying to do a cost/benefit analysis of whether or not to pony up the extra costs of doing more sessions (20-40) with our provider, or investing in a home program, with supervision. Any advice would be appreciated

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How is the Dell preconfigured?

--- renekay97213 wrote:

> Is it reasonable to think that you could set up

> hometraining equipment

> for $2000? We want to do inner tube game program

> that my son really

> likes. The pendant looks like a good option for my

> son

>

> We don't even have a computer at home, so we would

> have to start from

> scratch. I did see a dell 1505 laptop (memory 1 gb

> hard drive 80 gb)

> that is preconfigured for bioexplorer, brain master,

> procomp. $999

>

> We have done 25 sessions with a provider, and won't

> consider doing home

> training until after 40 sessions.

>

> I am trying to do a cost/benefit analysis of whether

> or not to pony up

> the extra costs of doing more sessions (20-40) with

> our provider, or

> investing in a home program, with supervision.

>

> Any advice would be appreciated

>

>

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Serving Consciousness wrote:

Hi Renekay,

Where are you located? What is your professional´s

consideration about HomeBased training?

Never consider the cost of material without also considering the cost

of LEARNING how to use the material.

Especially since you have suggested that you are not very avid

computer users.

The box does no magic. And the computer can be a second level of

frustration.

Here is a little text from our site that touches on this theme

:

"Suppose that you have just bought a home weight-gym.

When you first saw it in the store, you KNEW it was the tool you needed

to get in shape or to burn off excess calories. Imagining it setup in

your garage you saw yourself arriving home from work and sitting down

to break a sweat before a healthy supper. You would be getting stronger

every week and would be having fun in the process.

Bringing the gymset home, you move the wood-working bench to

one side. You have a hard time mounting the gym and understanding how

it works, but you do finally manage to put it in between the work bench

and the clotheswashing area. Sweep the area, put a little radio on the

shelf, and now you're ready to begin a new and more healthy phase of

your life.

You are right! All the potential that you feel at that moment

is only a small part of your true potential. Tools like the home gym

really are great inventions which enhance performance and resolve

problems. Life really can be much better because you have made it

better for yourself!

Now you have the tool that can make that happen. You also have

all your old habits, as well as all the same distractions which take

you away from this vision of your potential. More often than not the

case is that, unless you have some outside incentive to continue, the

home gym will be used for as long as its novelty lasts and then will

begin to be used to hang clothes in the clotheswashing area.

Habits are those actions we take every day. They are not bad,

and they are not our masters. However, they do not change instantly

and do not disappear into a void. They are always replaced with new

habits. For this, we don't expect to break a habit. Instead, we choose

a healthy new habit.

It takes at the very least 40 days and 40 nights to change from

one habit to another one. And it only occurs if the new habit is

reinforced with great regularity during the change period. After the

change is made, it has become habit.

To make that home gym work for you, it must be worked on by you

at least once every other day for a period of time that will, in the

end habituate you to more strength, flexibilty and awareness. It is

not easy to get home after work every other day and WANT to sweat

before supper. It's more a question of discipline than of desire that

brings about the long term changes we envision. And when we don't have

that discipline, we can either seek outside help or we can eventually

watch the home-gym gather dust.

HomeBased supervision is your in-house Personal Trainer. Your

superviser works with you for the time it takes to develop a new habit

of responsible home biofeedback training. Our Home-Base service has a

four month time frame. You know that we are going to be there to ask

the necessary questions and make the necessary presence that helps you

keep your focus on your long-term personal vision.

Our service, like biofeedback, becomes unnecessary once you

have learned and habituated to the self-reference. Eventually you do

it entirely on your own."

Hope this helps,

Machado Van Deusen

itallis.com

question about hometraining

costs

Is it reasonable to think that you could set up hometraining

equipment

for $2000? We want to do inner tube game program that my son really

likes. The pendant looks like a good option for my son

We don't even have a computer at home, so we would have to start from

scratch. I did see a dell 1505 laptop (memory 1 gb hard drive 80 gb)

that is preconfigured for bioexplorer, brain master, procomp. $999

We have done 25 sessions with a provider, and won't consider doing home

training until after 40 sessions.

I am trying to do a cost/benefit analysis of whether or not to pony up

the extra costs of doing more sessions (20-40) with our provider, or

investing in a home program, with supervision.

Any advice would be appreciated

, what are you referring to when you say "our service"?

thanks, Sue

[Guest guest]

I found it on the eeg info site. There are three models--1501 ($879)

1505 ($999) and 9400 ($1350). " Comes with neurofeedback software

preloaded and preconfigured. Preconfiguration for bioexplorer, brain

master, Procomp and more. "

I am very computer literate---but my husband is not, and has resisted

buying any home system and we agreed not to until my son was in

school. He would support this if it was related to nf.

So, it may be more for a set up, but we probably would have bought a

computer later.

>

> How is the Dell preconfigured?

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You can easily get the EEG equipment and software for under $2000, but adding a computer will take you a bit over that. You can see recommended computer specs at www.cyberevolution.com

The pendant, BioExplorer with designs, and electrode supplies package come to $1275. Inner Tube is an additional $275. Another possible addition is the ActivEEG electrodes at $640.

In addition to the cost savings for your currently planned sessions, the advantages of having your own equipment are that you can undertake other training possibilities later and other family members can begin training and getting the benefits of brain training. You have unlimited sessions.

Foxx

-----Original Message-----From: braintrainer [mailto:braintrainer ] On Behalf Of renekay97213Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:57 AMTo: braintrainer Subject: question about hometraining costs

Is it reasonable to think that you could set up hometraining equipment for $2000? We want to do inner tube game program that my son really likes. The pendant looks like a good option for my sonWe don't even have a computer at home, so we would have to start from scratch. I did see a dell 1505 laptop (memory 1 gb hard drive 80 gb) that is preconfigured for bioexplorer, brain master, procomp. $999 We have done 25 sessions with a provider, and won't consider doing home training until after 40 sessions. I am trying to do a cost/benefit analysis of whether or not to pony up the extra costs of doing more sessions (20-40) with our provider, or investing in a home program, with supervision. Any advice would be appreciated

[Guest guest]

What software does the computer come with? I find it unlikely, to say the least, at those prices that the computer comes with BioExplorer, Brainmaster and ProComp software. In which case "preconfigured" for those softwares doesn't mean anything. You want to compare the actual specs of the computer with the specs on the download page at www.cyberevolution.com.

Foxx

-----Original Message-----From: braintrainer [mailto:braintrainer ] On Behalf Of renekay97213Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:28 AMTo: braintrainer Subject: Re: question about hometraining costs

I found it on the eeg info site. There are three models--1501 ($879) 1505 ($999) and 9400 ($1350). "Comes with neurofeedback software preloaded and preconfigured. Preconfiguration for bioexplorer, brain master, Procomp and more."I am very computer literate---but my husband is not, and has resisted buying any home system and we agreed not to until my son was in school. He would support this if it was related to nf. So, it may be more for a set up, but we probably would have bought a computer later. >> How is the Dell preconfigured? > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

Foxx and Rene~

I wanted to mention that even though the recommended configurations of the latest download says 512 MB of RAM or higher, I think 512 is too low. My previous computer had 512 and could not run DVDs well during a session without freezing.

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RE: Re: question about hometraining costs

What software does the computer come with? I find it unlikely, to say the least, at those prices that the computer comes with BioExplorer, Brainmaster and ProComp software. In which case "preconfigured" for those softwares doesn't mean anything. You want to compare the actual specs of the computer with the specs on the download page at www.cyberevolution.com.

Foxx

-----Original Message-----From: braintrainer [mailto:braintrainer ] On Behalf Of renekay97213Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:28 AMTo: braintrainer Subject: Re: question about hometraining costs

I found it on the eeg info site. There are three models--1501 ($879) 1505 ($999) and 9400 ($1350). "Comes with neurofeedback software preloaded and preconfigured. Preconfiguration for bioexplorer, brain master, Procomp and more."I am very computer literate---but my husband is not, and has resisted buying any home system and we agreed not to until my son was in school. He would support this if it was related to nf. So, it may be more for a set up, but we probably would have bought a computer later. >> How is the Dell preconfigured? > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

I'll just add that your money for a computer purchase is likely to go farther if you're buying a desktop system. The laptops offer the convenience of portability, but they're generally more expensive, less expandable, and more expensive to repair if an important feature breaks down (e.g., the display dies). Also, you can download a demo of Inner Tube that has a generous 20 sessions alloted, and can get demos of Rollerball and the other games as well. So you wouldn't necessarily have to start out buying Inner Tube or other software extras. The active electrodes do really add to your cost, but they are awfully convenient, and can substantially cut down on the learning curve involved with electrode application.

Good luck,

Merrifield

-------------- Original message from "foxx" : --------------

You can easily get the EEG equipment and software for under $2000, but adding a computer will take you a bit over that. You can see recommended computer specs at www.cyberevolution.com

The pendant, BioExplorer with designs, and electrode supplies package come to $1275. Inner Tube is an additional $275. Another possible addition is the ActivEEG electrodes at $640.

In addition to the cost savings for your currently planned sessions, the advantages of having your own equipment are that you can undertake other training possibilities later and other family members can begin training and getting the benefits of brain training. You have unlimited sessions.

Foxx

-----Original Message-----From: braintrainer [mailto:braintrainer ] On Behalf Of renekay97213Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:57 AMTo: braintrainer Subject: question about hometraining costs

Is it reasonable to think that you could set up hometraining equipment for $2000? We want to do inner tube game program that my son really likes. The pendant looks like a good option for my sonWe don't even have a computer at home, so we would have to start from scratch. I did see a dell 1505 laptop (memory 1 gb hard drive 80 gb) that is preconfigured for bioexplorer, brain master, procomp. $999 We have done 25 sessions with a provider, and won't consider doing home training until after 40 sessions. I am trying to do a cost/benefit analysis of whether or not to pony up the extra costs of doing more sessions (20-40) with our provider, or investing in a home program, with supervision. Any advice would be appreciated