Re: anyone experience this

[Guest guest]

I have experienced this. I was getting my raw milk from a family with

6 kids and 1 cow that lives an hour's drive away. It was the best milk

ever! You could see the cream line. Nice and yellow and almost half

the milk was cream! We would buy it and it would keep in the fridge

for 3 weeks or longer. Never tasted odd or went bad. We loved that

milk; then the cow went dry and the milk was gone! I had to find some

more milk fast! I did and it was closer by. But this milk tasted awful

and didn't last 3 days. No one would drink it. I had 2 neighbors that

were also buying it. They said the same as me. We discovered that this

family was probally milking in the hay barn and sometimes leaving the

milk in the pail which will make it pick up odors and not be good for

you. I went to visit the farm and it was not very clean. I have

visited lots of farms and I know farms in general are not clean but

this was beyond " not clean " ! That has been 6 months and I am still not

over drinking that milk. I think I may have caught something from that

milk because my tummy has not been the same since! I told them but

they just thought I was not used to raw milk and that was that! Now I

drive a 5 hour round trip to buy my raw milk, cheese and cream from a

certified farm in Claremore, Ok. No problems with this milk however I

don't see a yellow cream line! sigh...

Del

> > I just tried a new raw milk source this week. They are supposedly

> grass

> > feed and chemical free yet the milk has a strange chemically smell

> to

> > it.

>

> Before you make a case of it, evaluate the whole picture. We had a

> customer come to us with a similar concern one time. It turns out it

> was their container, not the milk. If you purchased the milk in a

> container already, it could be sanitizer residue from the milking

> equipment. Also, some organic remidies have no with-holding, but can

> give off flavors for a milking, such as a new mastitis treatment we

> recently purchased (but havn't needed, yet). It is essential oils of

> oregano & olive. The salesman said it could flavor the next

> milking. One more thought, any off flavors seam to acumulate in the

> cream. Make sure you shake your milk well before pouring. Our

> winter butter is slightly sour tasting compared to our summer butter,

> because we feed mostly baleage(fermented grass) in the winter.

>

> The best idea is to go back one more time to buy milk and ask for a

> sample. If its good, compliment them. if its bad, ask them to

> sample it. Dairymen like us work very hard to give you a high

> quality product. Don't shun/badmouth them with out giving them a

> chance to explain/defend themselves. If they have integrity, they

> will make it right with you.

>

> Did you ever drink orange juice after brushing your teeth? maybe its

> just you!?

[Guest guest]

> I just tried a new raw milk source this week. They are supposedly

grass

> feed and chemical free yet the milk has a strange chemically smell

to

> it. It almost reminds me of bag balm. The milk also has a strange

> taste. Needless to say, I am really sad because this source was

close

> to home but I don't think I can drink the milk. Anyone know what

this

> could be?

>

> Candace

>

> Candace,

We have a small raw milk dairy (and cheese manufactoring license)in

PA. We are very sensitive of course to any potential off flavors in

milk. The only things that come to mind would be that the dairy is

not ensuring that the pre-dip (iodine or chlorohexadine) is removed

prior to milking, not rising the tank well enough after disinfecting

with cleaners or bleach or like you suggested with the bag balm taste

that they are not ensuring that any application added to clean or

maintain teat health are removed prior to milking. It of course

would be " criminal " if they were actually adding something to the

milk to suppress bacterial growth for testing but I'm 98% sure it is

not that. I would highly suggest that you mention the off taste to

the milk supplier so they can prevent further mishaps and hopefully

keep your business.

Out of a couple hundred customers we've only had one customer

complain about an off flavor but the containers that she uses are

impossible to clean and often smell " off " when I'm filling them. We

drink about 7-9 gallons of our own milk weekly as do our children

ages 4 months to 4 years and wouldn't sell the milk to other families

if we weren't 100% sure of the quality.

What a shame! I would suggest trying it again (maybe only 1/2

gallon!) Hopefully it was just a small mishap!

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[Guest guest]

I appreciate yours and everyone’s

advice. I will definitely try again

and address the situation with them. I doubt that they put anything into the

milk to preserve it. They seemed

very proud not to use preservatives and I don’t doubt their

integrity. They seem like good

people for sure. They do recycle

milk jugs, I know this because the milk came in 1%

milk jugs from the grocery store.

As for the comment on “could it be

me” and the drinking orange after brushing the teeth, I thought maybe

that is could be the case. But my

son and partner before I said anything to them commented on the flavor as well.

I’ve had raw milk from several people and as a child so I know the flavor

well. I have very sensitive taste

and smell buds to the point where it drives my partner crazy. I can smell mold and chemicals a mile

away. I can’t use regular

dish detergent or household cleaners because they bring me to tears. So when I smell this milk it totally

smells chemically not gamey.

The second gallon is as bad as the first though so I am drinking it

trying to decided if it is my imagination or not.

The other thing is I reacted to the butter

with a headache on three different occasions. I don’t normally react to milk products

and haven’t had migraines in years.

This was the only change in my diet and I reacted within 30 minutes of

eating the butter (3 x’s) My tongue also tingles after

drinking the milk which I thought was a little strange. The milk does kefir well

though and I thought the taste was gone but I can still taste the odd flavor in

the kefir. It too tingled my tongue.

I’ve never experience the tingling tongue before with raw milk

products so this makes me wonder as well.

~Candace

·

We have a small raw milk dairy (and cheese

manufactoring license)in

PA. We are very sensitive of course to any

potential off flavors in

milk. The only things that come to mind

would be that the dairy is

not ensuring that the pre-dip (iodine or

chlorohexadine) is removed

prior to milking, not rising the tank well enough

after disinfecting

with cleaners or bleach or like you suggested with

the bag balm taste

that they are not ensuring that any application

added to clean or

maintain teat health are removed prior to

milking. It of course

would be " criminal " if they were

actually adding something to the

milk to suppress bacterial growth for testing but

I'm 98% sure it is

not that. I would highly suggest that you

mention the off taste to

the milk supplier so they can prevent further

mishaps and hopefully

keep your business.

Out of a couple hundred customers we've only had

one customer

complain about an off flavor but the containers

that she uses are

impossible to clean and often smell

" off " when I'm filling them. We

drink about 7-9 gallons of our own milk weekly as

do our children

ages 4 months to 4 years and wouldn't sell the

milk to other families

if we weren't 100% sure of the quality.

What a shame! I would suggest trying it

again (maybe only 1/2

gallon!) Hopefully it was just a small

mishap!

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[Guest guest]

Candace,

The only times I've heard of reactions like this with milk, not the

taste but the headaches, I mean, is when the cows milk is less than

healthy.  What goes into the cow goes into the milk.  You have to be

absolutely SURE they aren't feeding anything weird.  No matter how raw

the milk is, it can still be poor quality if the cow is improperly

fed.  I heard a story once of a person (on this list I think so chime

in) who was getting sick and weary on raw milk from a neighbor.  Turns

out the neighbor was feeding the cow fried foods and junk leftover from

their restaurant, french fries etc.  Tons of trans-fatty acids and

all.  Anyway, when this person switched to grass fed cows, the problems

cleared up.  So just be sure that what they are feeding the cow isn't

the problem.

Candace Huber wrote:

I appreciate

yours and everyone’s

advice.  I will definitely try again

and address the situation with them. I doubt that they put anything

into the

milk to preserve it.  They seemed

very proud not to use preservatives and I don’t doubt their

integrity.  They seem like good

people for sure.  They do recycle

milk jugs, I know this because the milk

came in 1%

milk jugs from the grocery store.  

 

As for the

comment on “could it be

me” and the drinking orange after brushing the teeth, I thought maybe

that is could be the case.  But my

son and partner before I said anything to them commented on the flavor

as well.

I’ve had raw milk from several people and as a child so I know the

flavor

well.  I have very sensitive taste

and smell buds to the point where it drives my partner crazy.  I can smell mold and chemicals a mile

away.  I can’t use regular

dish detergent or household cleaners because they bring me to tears.  So when I smell this milk it totally

smells chemically not gamey.  

The second gallon is as bad as the first though so I am

drinking it

trying to decided if it is my imagination or not. 

 

The other

thing is I reacted to the butter

with a headache on three different occasions.  I

don’t normally react to milk products

and haven’t had migraines in years. 

This was the only change in my diet and I reacted within 30

minutes of

eating the butter (3 x’s)  My tongue also tingles after

drinking the milk which I thought was a little strange.    The

milk does kefir well

though and I thought the taste was gone but I can still taste the odd

flavor in

the kefir.  It too tingled

my tongue. 

I’ve never experience the tingling tongue before with raw milk

products so this makes me wonder as well. 

 

~Candace

[Guest guest]

> They do recycle milk jugs, I know this because the

> milk came in 1% milk jugs from the grocery store.

It may be the container! Plastic milk jugs cannot be sterilized as

they melt in high heat; and they are very hard to clean completely.

You don't have to be able to see or even smell a bad culture for it

to be there.

Use glass containers that can be run through a dishwasher or

otherwise sterilized(wide mouth are best as they are much easier to

clean) for your milk.

Good luck.

[Guest guest]

> The other thing is I reacted to the butter with a headache on three

> different occasions. I don't normally react to milk products and

> haven't had migraines in years. This was the only change in my

diet and

> I reacted within 30 minutes of eating the butter (3 x's) My tongue

also

> tingles after drinking the milk which I thought was a little

strange.

> The milk does kefir well though and I thought the taste was gone

but I

> can still taste the odd flavor in the kefir. It too tingled my

tongue.

> I've never experience the tingling tongue before with raw milk

products

> so this makes me wonder as well.

>

> ~Candace

>

adding up your new comments, chemical smell, tingling tongue, and

headaches, i would lay a bet on chlorine. it is a terrific sanitizer

that will air dry nicely, but it needs time to air dry after a good

rinse.

Also, it is stupid to reuse plastic. new gallons w/ caps are around

15 to 25 cents. not worth reusing. glass or stainless steel is best.

Try and use a natural sanitizer for good results, food grade

peroxide, essential oils etc

[Guest guest]

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> I heard a story once of a person (on this list I think so chime in)

who

> was getting sick and weary on raw milk from a neighbor. Turns out

the

> neighbor was feeding the cow fried foods and junk leftover from

their

> restaurant, french fries etc. Tons of trans-fatty acids and all.

> Anyway, when this person switched to grass fed cows, the problems

> cleared up. So just be sure that what they are feeding the cow

isn't

> the problem.

>

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

Holy Sick Cow! I'd like to hear the rest of this story, like if the

person cleaned up their act, etc.

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

[Guest guest]

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> > They do recycle milk jugs, I know this because the

> > milk came in 1% milk jugs from the grocery store.

>

> It may be the container! Plastic milk jugs cannot be sterilized as

> they melt in high heat; and they are very hard to clean completely.

> You don't have to be able to see or even smell a bad culture for it

> to be there.

>

> Use glass containers that can be run through a dishwasher or

> otherwise sterilized(wide mouth are best as they are much easier to

> clean) for your milk.

>

> Good luck.

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

Yeah, glass is the way! Why go through the trouble of getting great

milk and then use a plastic container!!! I have some amber glass

gallon milk jugs that were probably not worth the expense, because

half-gallon mason jars are PERFECT for milk! And very cheap. And

useful for a dozen other things. It's easy to pour the milk into them

from the milking pail, whereas when I use my fancy milk jugs I have

to bring a funnel along. Also certain kinds of glass jars have the

metal lids that " jolt " the jar when you open them, spilling some

milk, but the mason jar lids (white plastic ones are most convenient)

can be unscrewed smoothly. And they fit easier in my fridge... I

could go on...

President of the Half-Gallon Mason Jar Fan Club,

Mike

SE Pennsylvania