Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I am a little confused about what is upsetting about this article. Over all, I thought it was good exposure. Sheila St. Executive Director California Association of Natural Family Planning 1217 Tyler St. Salinas, Ca. 93906 1-877-33-CANFP www.canfp.org From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of on Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:17 AM To: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS Mr. Lenord, Thank you for the link, and along that same vein, we all must be vigilent should this wire story pop up in our local papers. Everywhere this poorly researched story pops up, we need to get to the letters section and try to re-educate the public on this persistant errors. I doubt if the Arizona Republic will print a letter from someone out of state, but I certainly will be making the attempt. It is typical that a newspaper would assign a beat reporter to the Diocese who knows nothing about the issues the Church deals with on a daily basis. The Kansas City Star is also very abusive of the Church by it's pre-disposed opposition to her teachings, and the acceptance out-of-hand any information source that will buttress it's preconceptions about the Church. on 1/11/06 10:38 AM, Clint Leonard at clintonjleonard@... wrote: You can write a letter to the editor here: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/sendaletter.html The article was written by Clancy for the Arizona Republic. He covers articles about the Phoenix diocese. Re: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS This is a very compelling example of the mis-information that is common in the uninformed, or intentionally biased, media reporting of modern NFP. Can you please post a source citation for this story, with writer, so we can email a response to the originator of this " Goebbel-esq " distortion of NFP and it's modern practice? It is too much to consider that AP can properly research a story before sticking it on the wire, but at least we may educate where we can.... on 1/10/06 6:45 PM, & ine Economon at gpeconomon@... wrote: Phoenix Bishop Calls Almost All Birth Control Sinful The Associated Press - Monday, January 09, 2006 PHOENIX Solidifying his reputation as one of the most conservative clergy in the nation, Phoenix Catholic Bishop J. Olmsted says that birth control of almost any kind is sinful. Olmsted now is one of only three bishops in the country to require a full course of natural family planning for anyone who wants a church wedding. In doing so, he joins his counterparts in Denver and Fargo, N.D. Natural family planning or the so-called rhythm method - abstaining from intercourse during the time a woman ovulates each month - is the only church-approved method of birth control. In July, Fargo Bishop Aquila announced that the Diocese of Fargo would require couples who plan to marry in the church to take a course on natural family planning as part of their marriage preparation. Aquila was a priest in the archdiocese of Denver before he was named bishop in Fargo in five years ago. " Through my personal experience in preparing couples for marriage and through discussions with priests, I have seen a great need for this instruction to help couples fully live the sacrament of marriage, " Aquila said in a statement in July. In a series of articles that reopened a contentious debate in the church, Olmsted argued that a " marriage itself is gravely harmed " when a couple uses birth control and that marital infidelity increases. He said " the use of contraceptives is always morally evil, and many of them have harmful side effects as well. " He also urged those using birth control or even fertility treatments to " seek forgiveness. " Tucker of Chandler has used natural family planning for 10 years. The 42-year-old mother of four and stepmother to a fifth says that among other reasons, she had several health issues with the pill. She said natural family planning has been effective for her and her husband and actually improved their sex lives. " It's about the idea of chastity, not just abstinence, " Tucker said. About 2,000 couples a year are married in churches in the Phoenix diocese. The key point, Olmsted argued, is that married couples should be open to children. However, in his writings he doesn't explain how avoiding childbirth through natural family planning fits into that. Dr. Ingrid Haas, a sdale obstetrician-gynecologist, said long-term health effects from the birth-control pills and similar methods are virtually nonexistent. She said arguments that the pill use can induce abortions and inhibit pregnancy long after the use has been discontinued are faulty. The American Academy of Family Physicians has said that when couples are diligent, natural family planning is 90 percent to 98 percent effective, a rate comparable to the pill. It added, however, that it appears to be less effective in actual practice. This document is confidential. It is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. Do not copy, forward or disseminate this document or any attachments without obtaining prior approval from the Sender. If you are not the named recipient or have received this document notify the sender immediately by telephone and return the original message. Thank you. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group " nfpprofessionals <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nfpprofessionals> " on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 The main parts that upset me the most were: Confusing the terms “birth control” with “contraception” throughout the entire article Confusing “artificial reproductive technologies” with “fertility treatment.” Also, the line “Natural Family Planning- or the so called Rhythm Method” is completely misleading. Paige ly " We can do no great things, only small things with great love. " Mother From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Sheila St. Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:23 PM To: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS I am a little confused about what is upsetting about this article. Over all, I thought it was good exposure. Sheila St. Executive Director California Association of Natural Family Planning 1217 Tyler St. Salinas, Ca. 93906 1-877-33-CANFP www.canfp.org From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of on Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:17 AM To: nfpprofessionals Subject: Re: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS Mr. Lenord, Thank you for the link, and along that same vein, we all must be vigilent should this wire story pop up in our local papers. Everywhere this poorly researched story pops up, we need to get to the letters section and try to re-educate the public on this persistant errors. I doubt if the Arizona Republic will print a letter from someone out of state, but I certainly will be making the attempt. It is typical that a newspaper would assign a beat reporter to the Diocese who knows nothing about the issues the Church deals with on a daily basis. The Kansas City Star is also very abusive of the Church by it's pre-disposed opposition to her teachings, and the acceptance out-of-hand any information source that will buttress it's preconceptions about the Church. on 1/11/06 10:38 AM, Clint Leonard at clintonjleonard@... wrote: You can write a letter to the editor here: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/sendaletter.html The article was written by Clancy for the Arizona Republic. He covers articles about the Phoenix diocese. Re: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS This is a very compelling example of the mis-information that is common in the uninformed, or intentionally biased, media reporting of modern NFP. Can you please post a source citation for this story, with writer, so we can email a response to the originator of this " Goebbel-esq " distortion of NFP and it's modern practice? It is too much to consider that AP can properly research a story before sticking it on the wire, but at least we may educate where we can.... on 1/10/06 6:45 PM, & ine Economon at gpeconomon@... wrote: Phoenix Bishop Calls Almost All Birth Control Sinful The Associated Press - Monday, January 09, 2006 PHOENIX Solidifying his reputation as one of the most conservative clergy in the nation, Phoenix Catholic Bishop J. Olmsted says that birth control of almost any kind is sinful. Olmsted now is one of only three bishops in the country to require a full course of natural family planning for anyone who wants a church wedding. In doing so, he joins his counterparts in Denver and Fargo, N.D. Natural family planning or the so-called rhythm method - abstaining from intercourse during the time a woman ovulates each month - is the only church-approved method of birth control. In July, Fargo Bishop Aquila announced that the Diocese of Fargo would require couples who plan to marry in the church to take a course on natural family planning as part of their marriage preparation. Aquila was a priest in the archdiocese of Denver before he was named bishop in Fargo in five years ago. " Through my personal experience in preparing couples for marriage and through discussions with priests, I have seen a great need for this instruction to help couples fully live the sacrament of marriage, " Aquila said in a statement in July. In a series of articles that reopened a contentious debate in the church, Olmsted argued that a " marriage itself is gravely harmed " when a couple uses birth control and that marital infidelity increases. He said " the use of contraceptives is always morally evil, and many of them have harmful side effects as well. " He also urged those using birth control or even fertility treatments to " seek forgiveness. " Tucker of Chandler has used natural family planning for 10 years. The 42-year-old mother of four and stepmother to a fifth says that among other reasons, she had several health issues with the pill. She said natural family planning has been effective for her and her husband and actually improved their sex lives. " It's about the idea of chastity, not just abstinence, " Tucker said. About 2,000 couples a year are married in churches in the Phoenix diocese. The key point, Olmsted argued, is that married couples should be open to children. However, in his writings he doesn't explain how avoiding childbirth through natural family planning fits into that. Dr. Ingrid Haas, a sdale obstetrician-gynecologist, said long-term health effects from the birth-control pills and similar methods are virtually nonexistent. She said arguments that the pill use can induce abortions and inhibit pregnancy long after the use has been discontinued are faulty. The American Academy of Family Physicians has said that when couples are diligent, natural family planning is 90 percent to 98 percent effective, a rate comparable to the pill. It added, however, that it appears to be less effective in actual practice. This document is confidential. It is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. Do not copy, forward or disseminate this document or any attachments without obtaining prior approval from the Sender. If you are not the named recipient or have received this document notify the sender immediately by telephone and return the original message. Thank you. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group " nfpprofessionals <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nfpprofessionals> " on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: nfpprofessionals-unsubscribe <mailto:nfpprofessionals-unsubscribe ?subject=Unsubscribe> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . 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Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Author calls it the rhythm method. Also says it is “church approved birth control” when it reality it is only to be used for grave reasons. Then says he doesn’t know how “avoiding childbirth through natural family planning” fits into the idea of being open to children (he is lacking information which isn’t really his fault I suppose, except that as a reporter, he should have sought out the answer to this before printing). Quotes one physician that says the pill inducing abortions is a false belief, but doesn’t get a counter-opinion. Re: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS This is a very compelling example of the mis-information that is common in the uninformed, or intentionally biased, media reporting of modern NFP. Can you please post a source citation for this story, with writer, so we can email a response to the originator of this " Goebbel-esq " distortion of NFP and it's modern practice? It is too much to consider that AP can properly research a story before sticking it on the wire, but at least we may educate where we can.... on 1/10/06 6:45 PM, & ine Economon at gpeconomon@... wrote: Phoenix Bishop Calls Almost All Birth Control Sinful The Associated Press - Monday, January 09, 2006 PHOENIX Solidifying his reputation as one of the most conservative clergy in the nation, Phoenix Catholic Bishop J. Olmsted says that birth control of almost any kind is sinful. Olmsted now is one of only three bishops in the country to require a full course of natural family planning for anyone who wants a church wedding. In doing so, he joins his counterparts in Denver and Fargo, N.D. Natural family planning or the so-called rhythm method - abstaining from intercourse during the time a woman ovulates each month - is the only church-approved method of birth control. In July, Fargo Bishop Aquila announced that the Diocese of Fargo would require couples who plan to marry in the church to take a course on natural family planning as part of their marriage preparation. Aquila was a priest in the archdiocese of Denver before he was named bishop in Fargo in five years ago. " Through my personal experience in preparing couples for marriage and through discussions with priests, I have seen a great need for this instruction to help couples fully live the sacrament of marriage, " Aquila said in a statement in July. In a series of articles that reopened a contentious debate in the church, Olmsted argued that a " marriage itself is gravely harmed " when a couple uses birth control and that marital infidelity increases. He said " the use of contraceptives is always morally evil, and many of them have harmful side effects as well. " He also urged those using birth control or even fertility treatments to " seek forgiveness. " Tucker of Chandler has used natural family planning for 10 years. The 42-year-old mother of four and stepmother to a fifth says that among other reasons, she had several health issues with the pill. She said natural family planning has been effective for her and her husband and actually improved their sex lives. " It's about the idea of chastity, not just abstinence, " Tucker said. About 2,000 couples a year are married in churches in the Phoenix diocese. The key point, Olmsted argued, is that married couples should be open to children. However, in his writings he doesn't explain how avoiding childbirth through natural family planning fits into that. Dr. Ingrid Haas, a sdale obstetrician-gynecologist, said long-term health effects from the birth-control pills and similar methods are virtually nonexistent. She said arguments that the pill use can induce abortions and inhibit pregnancy long after the use has been discontinued are faulty. The American Academy of Family Physicians has said that when couples are diligent, natural family planning is 90 percent to 98 percent effective, a rate comparable to the pill. It added, however, that it appears to be less effective in actual practice. This document is confidential. It is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. Do not copy, forward or disseminate this document or any attachments without obtaining prior approval from the Sender. If you are not the named recipient or have received this document notify the sender immediately by telephone and return the original message. Thank you. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS · Visit your group " nfpprofessionals <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nfpprofessionals> " on the web. · · Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Thanks for explaining….of course I saw each of those, but my response was, and still is, that this is good exposure. I think we cannot expect someone looking at this and writing about it from the secular perspective to see it the way we do that are immersed in it, to place as much importance on the terms as we would. I guess what I am really saying is that instead of attacking this gentleman with letters to the editor, etc, I think it would be so much better to take the opportunity this exposure has created to provide some good info ---- Again, overall, I think this is a good thing, and hope many papers pick it up. Sheila St. Executive Director California Association of Natural Family Planning 1217 Tyler St. Salinas, Ca. 93906 1-877-33-CANFP www.canfp.org From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Guthmann Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:00 PM To: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS Author calls it the rhythm method. Also says it is “church approved birth control” when it reality it is only to be used for grave reasons. Then says he doesn’t know how “avoiding childbirth through natural family planning” fits into the idea of being open to children (he is lacking information which isn’t really his fault I suppose, except that as a reporter, he should have sought out the answer to this before printing). Quotes one physician that says the pill inducing abortions is a false belief, but doesn’t get a counter-opinion. Re: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS This is a very compelling example of the mis-information that is common in the uninformed, or intentionally biased, media reporting of modern NFP. Can you please post a source citation for this story, with writer, so we can email a response to the originator of this " Goebbel-esq " distortion of NFP and it's modern practice? It is too much to consider that AP can properly research a story before sticking it on the wire, but at least we may educate where we can.... on 1/10/06 6:45 PM, & ine Economon at gpeconomon@... wrote: Phoenix Bishop Calls Almost All Birth Control Sinful The Associated Press - Monday, January 09, 2006 PHOENIX Solidifying his reputation as one of the most conservative clergy in the nation, Phoenix Catholic Bishop J. Olmsted says that birth control of almost any kind is sinful. Olmsted now is one of only three bishops in the country to require a full course of natural family planning for anyone who wants a church wedding. In doing so, he joins his counterparts in Denver and Fargo, N.D. Natural family planning or the so-called rhythm method - abstaining from intercourse during the time a woman ovulates each month - is the only church-approved method of birth control. In July, Fargo Bishop Aquila announced that the Diocese of Fargo would require couples who plan to marry in the church to take a course on natural family planning as part of their marriage preparation. Aquila was a priest in the archdiocese of Denver before he was named bishop in Fargo in five years ago. " Through my personal experience in preparing couples for marriage and through discussions with priests, I have seen a great need for this instruction to help couples fully live the sacrament of marriage, " Aquila said in a statement in July. In a series of articles that reopened a contentious debate in the church, Olmsted argued that a " marriage itself is gravely harmed " when a couple uses birth control and that marital infidelity increases. He said " the use of contraceptives is always morally evil, and many of them have harmful side effects as well. " He also urged those using birth control or even fertility treatments to " seek forgiveness. " Tucker of Chandler has used natural family planning for 10 years. The 42-year-old mother of four and stepmother to a fifth says that among other reasons, she had several health issues with the pill. She said natural family planning has been effective for her and her husband and actually improved their sex lives. " It's about the idea of chastity, not just abstinence, " Tucker said. About 2,000 couples a year are married in churches in the Phoenix diocese. The key point, Olmsted argued, is that married couples should be open to children. However, in his writings he doesn't explain how avoiding childbirth through natural family planning fits into that. Dr. Ingrid Haas, a sdale obstetrician-gynecologist, said long-term health effects from the birth-control pills and similar methods are virtually nonexistent. She said arguments that the pill use can induce abortions and inhibit pregnancy long after the use has been discontinued are faulty. The American Academy of Family Physicians has said that when couples are diligent, natural family planning is 90 percent to 98 percent effective, a rate comparable to the pill. It added, however, that it appears to be less effective in actual practice. This document is confidential. It is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. Do not copy, forward or disseminate this document or any attachments without obtaining prior approval from the Sender. If you are not the named recipient or have received this document notify the sender immediately by telephone and return the original message. Thank you. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS · Visit your group " nfpprofessionals <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nfpprofessionals> " on the web. · · Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 OK then, replace with “serious” or any other relevant synonym. RE: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS Author calls it the rhythm method. Also says it is “church approved birth control” when it reality it is only to be used for grave reasons. Then says he doesn’t know how “avoiding childbirth through natural family planning” fits into the idea of being open to children (he is lacking information which isn’t really his fault I suppose, except that as a reporter, he should have sought out the answer to this before printing). Quotes one physician that says the pill inducing abortions is a false belief, but doesn’t get a counter-opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Umm....given that observation, what do you conclude? Is " grave " the wrong take on the Church's understanding of " serious reason " ? How " serious " is serious, in your view? on 1/12/06 10:06 AM, Gotcher, at rgotcher@... wrote: Nowhere in the Church documents that treat responsible parenthood is a Latin word for " grave " used to describe the reasons for which one might delay pregnancy. F. Gotcher, Ph.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Kim, For some reason I could only find it again by going into her Jan. archives. Try this and scroll down to Jan. 10. http://amywelborn.typepad.com/openbook/2006/01/index.html Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Kim, For some reason I could only find it again by going into her Jan. archives. Try this and scroll down to Jan. 10. http://amywelborn.typepad.com/openbook/2006/01/index.html Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Theresa: I’d be interested in seeing this, but I don’t find a blog by that title on her site for that date… Kim Re: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS , Author Amy Welborn's ( " De-coding DaVinci " , " Prove-It " series) Jan. 10 blog entry " The Bishop Speaks " referred to Bishop's Olmstead's teaching on nfp, contraception, etc. There were 149 comments posted, last I checked, many of them dealing with serious vs. grave reasons. Worth a look. Theresa McGuire RN, CFCP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Theresa: I’d be interested in seeing this, but I don’t find a blog by that title on her site for that date… Kim Re: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS , Author Amy Welborn's ( " De-coding DaVinci " , " Prove-It " series) Jan. 10 blog entry " The Bishop Speaks " referred to Bishop's Olmstead's teaching on nfp, contraception, etc. There were 149 comments posted, last I checked, many of them dealing with serious vs. grave reasons. Worth a look. Theresa McGuire RN, CFCP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Well, "serious" seems like a reasonable translation for seriis causis, but "grave" does not, nor should it ever be used in a discussion about the reasons for which one might decide to exercise responsible parenthood by delaying pregnancy. F. Gotcher, Ph.D. -----Original Message-----From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of GuthmannSent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:02 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS OK then, replace with “serious” or any other relevant synonym. -----Original Message-----From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Gotcher, Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:07 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS Nowhere in the Church documents that treat responsible parenthood is a Latin word for "grave" used to describe the reasons for which one might delay pregnancy. F. Gotcher, Ph.D. -----Original Message-----From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of GuthmannSent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:00 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS Author calls it the rhythm method. Also says it is “church approved birth control” when it reality it is only to be used for grave reasons. Then says he doesn’t know how “avoiding childbirth through natural family planning” fits into the idea of being open to children (he is lacking information which isn’t really his fault I suppose, except that as a reporter, he should have sought out the answer to this before printing). Quotes one physician that says the pill inducing abortions is a false belief, but doesn’t get a counter-opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Well, "serious" seems like a reasonable translation for seriis causis, but "grave" does not, nor should it ever be used in a discussion about the reasons for which one might decide to exercise responsible parenthood by delaying pregnancy. F. Gotcher, Ph.D. -----Original Message-----From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of GuthmannSent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:02 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS OK then, replace with “serious” or any other relevant synonym. -----Original Message-----From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Gotcher, Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:07 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS Nowhere in the Church documents that treat responsible parenthood is a Latin word for "grave" used to describe the reasons for which one might delay pregnancy. F. Gotcher, Ph.D. -----Original Message-----From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of GuthmannSent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:00 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS Author calls it the rhythm method. Also says it is “church approved birth control” when it reality it is only to be used for grave reasons. Then says he doesn’t know how “avoiding childbirth through natural family planning” fits into the idea of being open to children (he is lacking information which isn’t really his fault I suppose, except that as a reporter, he should have sought out the answer to this before printing). Quotes one physician that says the pill inducing abortions is a false belief, but doesn’t get a counter-opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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