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I am a little confused about what is

upsetting about this article. Over all, I thought it was good exposure.

Sheila St.

Executive Director

California Association of Natural Family Planning

1217 Tyler St.

Salinas, Ca. 93906

1-877-33-CANFP

www.canfp.org

From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of on

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006

9:17 AM

To: nfpprofessionals

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Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS

Mr. Lenord,

Thank you for the link, and along that same vein, we all must be vigilent

should this wire story pop up in our local papers. Everywhere this poorly

researched story pops up, we need to get to the letters section and try to

re-educate the public on this persistant errors.

I doubt if the Arizona Republic will print a letter from someone out of state,

but I certainly will be making the attempt. It is typical that a

newspaper would assign a beat reporter to the Diocese who knows nothing about

the issues the Church deals with on a daily basis. The Kansas City Star

is also very abusive of the Church by it's pre-disposed opposition to her

teachings, and the acceptance out-of-hand any information source that will

buttress it's preconceptions about the Church.

on 1/11/06 10:38 AM, Clint Leonard at clintonjleonard@... wrote:

You can write a letter to the editor

here:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/sendaletter.html

The

article was written by Clancy for the Arizona Republic. He covers

articles about the Phoenix diocese.

Re:

Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS

This is a very compelling example of the mis-information that is common in the

uninformed, or intentionally biased, media reporting of modern NFP. Can

you please post a source citation for this story, with writer, so we can email

a response to the originator of this " Goebbel-esq " distortion of NFP

and it's modern practice? It is too much to consider that AP can properly

research a story before sticking it on the wire, but at least we may educate where

we can....

on 1/10/06 6:45 PM, & ine Economon at gpeconomon@... wrote:

Phoenix Bishop Calls Almost All Birth

Control Sinful

The Associated Press - Monday, January 09, 2006

PHOENIX

Solidifying his reputation as

one of the most conservative clergy in the nation, Phoenix Catholic Bishop

J. Olmsted says that birth control of almost any kind is sinful.

Olmsted now is one of only

three bishops in the country to require a full course of natural family

planning for anyone who wants a church wedding. In doing so, he joins his

counterparts in Denver and Fargo, N.D.

Natural family planning or the

so-called rhythm method - abstaining from intercourse during the time a woman

ovulates each month - is the only church-approved method of birth control.

In July, Fargo Bishop

Aquila announced that the Diocese of Fargo would require couples who plan to

marry in the church to take a course on natural family planning as part of

their marriage preparation. Aquila was a priest in the archdiocese of Denver before he was named bishop in Fargo in five years ago.

" Through my personal

experience in preparing couples for marriage and through discussions with

priests, I have seen a great need for this instruction to help couples fully

live the sacrament of marriage, " Aquila said in a statement in July.

In a series of articles that

reopened a contentious debate in the church, Olmsted argued that a

" marriage itself is gravely harmed " when a couple uses birth control

and that marital infidelity increases. He said " the use of contraceptives

is always morally evil, and many of them have harmful side effects as

well. "

He also urged those using

birth control or even fertility treatments to " seek forgiveness. "

Tucker of Chandler has used natural family planning for 10 years. The 42-year-old mother of four and

stepmother to a fifth says that among other reasons, she had several health

issues with the pill.

She said natural family

planning has been effective for her and her husband and actually improved their

sex lives.

" It's about the idea of

chastity, not just abstinence, " Tucker said.

About 2,000 couples a year are

married in churches in the Phoenix diocese.

The key point, Olmsted argued,

is that married couples should be open to children. However, in his writings he

doesn't explain how avoiding childbirth through natural family planning fits

into that.

Dr. Ingrid Haas, a sdale obstetrician-gynecologist, said long-term health effects from the birth-control

pills and similar methods are virtually nonexistent. She said arguments that

the pill use can induce abortions and inhibit pregnancy long after the use has

been discontinued are faulty.

The American Academy of Family Physicians has said that when couples are diligent, natural family planning

is 90 percent to 98 percent effective, a rate comparable to the pill. It added,

however, that it appears to be less effective in actual practice.

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The main parts that upset me the most

were:

Confusing the terms “birth control”

with “contraception” throughout the entire article

Confusing “artificial reproductive

technologies” with “fertility treatment.”

Also, the line “Natural Family

Planning- or the so called Rhythm Method” is completely misleading.

Paige

ly

" We

can do no great things, only small things with great love. " Mother

From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Sheila St.

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006

2:23 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject: RE:

Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS

I am a little confused about what is

upsetting about this article. Over all, I thought it was good exposure.

Sheila St.

Executive Director

California Association of Natural Family Planning

1217 Tyler St.

Salinas, Ca. 93906

1-877-33-CANFP

www.canfp.org

From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of on

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006

9:17 AM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject: Re:

Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS

Mr. Lenord,

Thank you for the link, and along that same vein, we all must be vigilent

should this wire story pop up in our local papers. Everywhere this poorly

researched story pops up, we need to get to the letters section and try to

re-educate the public on this persistant errors.

I doubt if the Arizona

Republic will print a

letter from someone out of state, but I certainly will be making the attempt.

It is typical that a newspaper would assign a beat reporter to the

Diocese who knows nothing about the issues the Church deals with on a daily

basis. The Kansas City Star is also very abusive of the Church by it's

pre-disposed opposition to her teachings, and the acceptance out-of-hand any

information source that will buttress it's preconceptions about the Church.

on 1/11/06 10:38 AM, Clint Leonard at clintonjleonard@... wrote:

You can write a letter to the editor

here:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/sendaletter.html

The

article was written by Clancy for the Arizona Republic.

He covers articles about the Phoenix

diocese.

Re:

Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS

This is a very compelling example of the mis-information that is common in the

uninformed, or intentionally biased, media reporting of modern NFP. Can

you please post a source citation for this story, with writer, so we can email

a response to the originator of this " Goebbel-esq " distortion of NFP

and it's modern practice? It is too much to consider that AP can properly

research a story before sticking it on the wire, but at least we may educate

where we can....

on 1/10/06 6:45 PM, & ine Economon at gpeconomon@... wrote:

Phoenix Bishop Calls Almost All Birth Control Sinful

The Associated Press - Monday, January 09, 2006

PHOENIX

Solidifying his reputation as one

of the most conservative clergy in the nation, Phoenix Catholic Bishop

J. Olmsted says that birth control of almost any kind is sinful.

Olmsted now is one of only

three bishops in the country to require a full course of natural family

planning for anyone who wants a church wedding. In doing so, he joins his

counterparts in Denver and Fargo, N.D.

Natural family planning or the

so-called rhythm method - abstaining from intercourse during the time a woman

ovulates each month - is the only church-approved method of birth control.

In July, Fargo Bishop

Aquila announced that the Diocese of Fargo would require couples who plan to

marry in the church to take a course on natural family planning as part of

their marriage preparation. Aquila was a priest in the archdiocese of Denver before he was named bishop in Fargo in five years ago.

" Through my personal

experience in preparing couples for marriage and through discussions with

priests, I have seen a great need for this instruction to help couples fully

live the sacrament of marriage, " Aquila

said in a statement in July.

In a series of articles that

reopened a contentious debate in the church, Olmsted argued that a

" marriage itself is gravely harmed " when a couple uses birth control

and that marital infidelity increases. He said " the use of contraceptives

is always morally evil, and many of them have harmful side effects as

well. "

He also urged those using

birth control or even fertility treatments to " seek forgiveness. "

Tucker of Chandler has used natural

family planning for 10 years. The 42-year-old mother of four and stepmother to

a fifth says that among other reasons, she had several health issues with the

pill.

She said natural family

planning has been effective for her and her husband and actually improved their

sex lives.

" It's about the idea of

chastity, not just abstinence, " Tucker said.

About 2,000 couples a year are

married in churches in the Phoenix

diocese.

The key point, Olmsted argued,

is that married couples should be open to children. However, in his writings he

doesn't explain how avoiding childbirth through natural family planning fits

into that.

Dr. Ingrid Haas, a sdale

obstetrician-gynecologist, said long-term health effects from the birth-control

pills and similar methods are virtually nonexistent. She said arguments that

the pill use can induce abortions and inhibit pregnancy long after the use has

been discontinued are faulty.

The American Academy

of Family Physicians has said that when couples are diligent, natural family

planning is 90 percent to 98 percent effective, a rate comparable to the pill.

It added, however, that it appears to be less effective in actual practice.

This document is confidential. It is intended only for the individual or entity

to which it is addressed. Do not copy, forward or disseminate this

document or any attachments without obtaining prior approval from the Sender.

If you are not the named recipient or have received this document

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Author calls it the rhythm method.

Also says it is “church approved birth control” when it reality it

is only to be used for grave reasons. Then says he doesn’t know how

“avoiding childbirth through natural family planning” fits into the

idea of being open to children (he is lacking information which isn’t

really his fault I suppose, except that as a reporter, he should have sought

out the answer to this before printing). Quotes one physician that says

the pill inducing abortions is a false belief, but doesn’t get a

counter-opinion.

Re:

Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS

This is a very compelling example of the mis-information that is common in the

uninformed, or intentionally biased, media reporting of modern NFP. Can

you please post a source citation for this story, with writer, so we can email

a response to the originator of this " Goebbel-esq " distortion of NFP

and it's modern practice? It is too much to consider that AP can properly

research a story before sticking it on the wire, but at least we may educate

where we can....

on 1/10/06 6:45 PM, & ine Economon at gpeconomon@... wrote:

Phoenix

Bishop Calls Almost All Birth Control Sinful

The Associated Press - Monday, January 09, 2006

PHOENIX

Solidifying his reputation as one

of the most conservative clergy in the nation, Phoenix Catholic Bishop

J. Olmsted says that birth control of almost any kind is sinful.

Olmsted now is one of only

three bishops in the country to require a full course of natural family

planning for anyone who wants a church wedding. In doing so, he joins his

counterparts in Denver and Fargo, N.D.

Natural family planning or the

so-called rhythm method - abstaining from intercourse during the time a woman

ovulates each month - is the only church-approved method of birth control.

In July, Fargo Bishop

Aquila announced that the Diocese of Fargo would require couples who plan to

marry in the church to take a course on natural family planning as part of

their marriage preparation. Aquila was a priest in the archdiocese of Denver

before he was named bishop in Fargo in five years ago.

" Through my personal

experience in preparing couples for marriage and through discussions with

priests, I have seen a great need for this instruction to help couples fully

live the sacrament of marriage, " Aquila said in a statement in July.

In a series of articles that

reopened a contentious debate in the church, Olmsted argued that a

" marriage itself is gravely harmed " when a couple uses birth control

and that marital infidelity increases. He said " the use of contraceptives

is always morally evil, and many of them have harmful side effects as

well. "

He also urged those using

birth control or even fertility treatments to " seek forgiveness. "

Tucker of Chandler has

used natural family planning for 10 years. The 42-year-old mother of four and

stepmother to a fifth says that among other reasons, she had several health

issues with the pill.

She said natural family

planning has been effective for her and her husband and actually improved their

sex lives.

" It's about the idea of

chastity, not just abstinence, " Tucker said.

About 2,000 couples a year are

married in churches in the Phoenix diocese.

The key point, Olmsted argued,

is that married couples should be open to children. However, in his writings he

doesn't explain how avoiding childbirth through natural family planning fits

into that.

Dr. Ingrid Haas, a sdale

obstetrician-gynecologist, said long-term health effects from the birth-control

pills and similar methods are virtually nonexistent. She said arguments that

the pill use can induce abortions and inhibit pregnancy long after the use has

been discontinued are faulty.

The American Academy of Family

Physicians has said that when couples are diligent, natural family planning is

90 percent to 98 percent effective, a rate comparable to the pill. It added,

however, that it appears to be less effective in actual practice.

This document is confidential. It is intended only for the individual or entity

to which it is addressed. Do not copy, forward or disseminate this

document or any attachments without obtaining prior approval from the Sender.

If you are not the named recipient or have received this document

notify the sender immediately by telephone and return the original

message. Thank you.

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Thanks for explaining….of course I saw

each of those, but my response was, and still is, that this is good exposure. I

think we cannot expect someone looking at this and writing about it from the

secular perspective to see it the way we do that are immersed in it, to place

as much importance on the terms as we would. I guess what I am really saying is

that instead of attacking this gentleman with letters to the editor, etc, I

think it would be so much better to take the opportunity this exposure has

created to provide some good info ----

Again, overall, I think this is a good

thing, and hope many papers pick it up.

Sheila St.

Executive Director

California Association of Natural Family Planning

1217 Tyler St.

Salinas, Ca. 93906

1-877-33-CANFP

www.canfp.org

From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Guthmann

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006

4:00 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject: RE:

Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS

Author calls it the rhythm method.

Also says it is “church approved birth control” when it reality it

is only to be used for grave reasons. Then says he doesn’t know how

“avoiding childbirth through natural family planning” fits into the

idea of being open to children (he is lacking information which isn’t

really his fault I suppose, except that as a reporter, he should have sought

out the answer to this before printing). Quotes one physician that says

the pill inducing abortions is a false belief, but doesn’t get a

counter-opinion.

Re:

Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS

This is a very compelling example of the mis-information that is common in the

uninformed, or intentionally biased, media reporting of modern NFP. Can

you please post a source citation for this story, with writer, so we can email

a response to the originator of this " Goebbel-esq " distortion of NFP

and it's modern practice? It is too much to consider that AP can properly

research a story before sticking it on the wire, but at least we may educate

where we can....

on 1/10/06 6:45 PM, & ine Economon at gpeconomon@... wrote:

Phoenix Bishop Calls Almost All Birth

Control Sinful

The Associated Press - Monday, January 09, 2006

PHOENIX

Solidifying his reputation as

one of the most conservative clergy in the nation, Phoenix Catholic Bishop

J. Olmsted says that birth control of almost any kind is sinful.

Olmsted now is one of only

three bishops in the country to require a full course of natural family

planning for anyone who wants a church wedding. In doing so, he joins his

counterparts in Denver and Fargo, N.D.

Natural family planning or the

so-called rhythm method - abstaining from intercourse during the time a woman

ovulates each month - is the only church-approved method of birth control.

In July, Fargo Bishop

Aquila announced that the Diocese of Fargo would require couples who plan to

marry in the church to take a course on natural family planning as part of

their marriage preparation. Aquila was a priest in the archdiocese of Denver before he was named bishop in Fargo in five years ago.

" Through my personal

experience in preparing couples for marriage and through discussions with priests,

I have seen a great need for this instruction to help couples fully live the

sacrament of marriage, " Aquila said in a statement in July.

In a series of articles that

reopened a contentious debate in the church, Olmsted argued that a

" marriage itself is gravely harmed " when a couple uses birth control

and that marital infidelity increases. He said " the use of contraceptives

is always morally evil, and many of them have harmful side effects as

well. "

He also urged those using

birth control or even fertility treatments to " seek forgiveness. "

Tucker of Chandler has used natural family planning for 10 years. The 42-year-old mother of four and

stepmother to a fifth says that among other reasons, she had several health

issues with the pill.

She said natural family

planning has been effective for her and her husband and actually improved their

sex lives.

" It's about the idea of

chastity, not just abstinence, " Tucker said.

About 2,000 couples a year are

married in churches in the Phoenix diocese.

The key point, Olmsted argued,

is that married couples should be open to children. However, in his writings he

doesn't explain how avoiding childbirth through natural family planning fits

into that.

Dr. Ingrid Haas, a sdale obstetrician-gynecologist, said long-term health effects from the birth-control

pills and similar methods are virtually nonexistent. She said arguments that

the pill use can induce abortions and inhibit pregnancy long after the use has

been discontinued are faulty.

The American Academy of Family Physicians has said that when couples are diligent, natural family planning

is 90 percent to 98 percent effective, a rate comparable to the pill. It added,

however, that it appears to be less effective in actual practice.

This document is confidential. It is intended only for the individual or entity

to which it is addressed. Do not copy, forward or disseminate this

document or any attachments without obtaining prior approval from the Sender.

If you are not the named recipient or have received this document

notify the sender immediately by telephone and return the original

message. Thank you.

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OK then, replace with “serious”

or any other relevant synonym.

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Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS

Author

calls it the rhythm method. Also says it is “church approved birth

control” when it reality it is only to be used for grave reasons.

Then says he doesn’t know how “avoiding childbirth through natural

family planning” fits into the idea of being open to children (he is

lacking information which isn’t really his fault I suppose, except that

as a reporter, he should have sought out the answer to this before

printing). Quotes one physician that says the pill inducing abortions is

a false belief, but doesn’t get a counter-opinion.

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Umm....given that observation, what do you conclude?

Is " grave " the wrong take on the Church's understanding of " serious reason " ?

How " serious " is serious, in your view?

on 1/12/06 10:06 AM, Gotcher, at rgotcher@... wrote:

Nowhere in the Church documents that treat responsible parenthood is a Latin word for " grave " used to describe the reasons for which one might delay pregnancy.

F. Gotcher, Ph.D.

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Theresa:

I’d be interested in seeing this,

but I don’t find a blog by that title on her site for that date…

Kim

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,

Author

Amy Welborn's ( " De-coding DaVinci " , " Prove-It "

series) Jan. 10 blog entry " The Bishop Speaks "

referred to Bishop's Olmstead's teaching on nfp, contraception,

etc. There were 149 comments posted, last I checked, many of them

dealing with serious vs. grave reasons. Worth a look.

Theresa

McGuire RN, CFCP

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Theresa:

I’d be interested in seeing this,

but I don’t find a blog by that title on her site for that date…

Kim

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Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS

,

Author

Amy Welborn's ( " De-coding DaVinci " , " Prove-It "

series) Jan. 10 blog entry " The Bishop Speaks "

referred to Bishop's Olmstead's teaching on nfp, contraception,

etc. There were 149 comments posted, last I checked, many of them

dealing with serious vs. grave reasons. Worth a look.

Theresa

McGuire RN, CFCP

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Well, "serious" seems like a reasonable translation for seriis causis, but "grave" does not, nor should it ever be used in a discussion about the reasons for which one might decide to exercise responsible parenthood by delaying pregnancy.

F. Gotcher, Ph.D.

-----Original Message-----From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of GuthmannSent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:02 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS

OK then, replace with “serious” or any other relevant synonym.

-----Original Message-----From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Gotcher, Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:07 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS

Nowhere in the Church documents that treat responsible parenthood is a Latin word for "grave" used to describe the reasons for which one might delay pregnancy.

F. Gotcher, Ph.D.

-----Original Message-----From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of GuthmannSent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:00 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS

Author calls it the rhythm method. Also says it is “church approved birth control” when it reality it is only to be used for grave reasons. Then says he doesn’t know how “avoiding childbirth through natural family planning” fits into the idea of being open to children (he is lacking information which isn’t really his fault I suppose, except that as a reporter, he should have sought out the answer to this before printing). Quotes one physician that says the pill inducing abortions is a false belief, but doesn’t get a counter-opinion.

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Well, "serious" seems like a reasonable translation for seriis causis, but "grave" does not, nor should it ever be used in a discussion about the reasons for which one might decide to exercise responsible parenthood by delaying pregnancy.

F. Gotcher, Ph.D.

-----Original Message-----From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of GuthmannSent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:02 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS

OK then, replace with “serious” or any other relevant synonym.

-----Original Message-----From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of Gotcher, Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:07 AMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS

Nowhere in the Church documents that treat responsible parenthood is a Latin word for "grave" used to describe the reasons for which one might delay pregnancy.

F. Gotcher, Ph.D.

-----Original Message-----From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of GuthmannSent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:00 PMTo: nfpprofessionals Subject: RE: Fw: NFP IN THE NEWS

Author calls it the rhythm method. Also says it is “church approved birth control” when it reality it is only to be used for grave reasons. Then says he doesn’t know how “avoiding childbirth through natural family planning” fits into the idea of being open to children (he is lacking information which isn’t really his fault I suppose, except that as a reporter, he should have sought out the answer to this before printing). Quotes one physician that says the pill inducing abortions is a false belief, but doesn’t get a counter-opinion.

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