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Sorry about that I keep forgetting to change my signature. On most message

boards ds is darling son and dd is darling daughter but it doesn't really

work here. ;o)

I have a daughter who is 7, a son who is 4 and Zach (possible MDS) who is

3!!!

Hope that explains things and once again sorry about that. I will try to

keep the ds/dd out of my signature line.

Kim

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> I don't understand, you have 3 children wih DS or MDS?

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Hi there just hang in there my way of coping is that i always try and do

possitive reinforcement always reward the good and try not to acknowledge that

bad so much yes discapline your child but dont make too much of a guss as they

are still getting your attention. For bed timer have you tried putting on a

soothing cd and doing some massage and aromatherapy thats what i do and 80%of

the time it does work that amy relaxes so much so that she falls asleep whilst i

am still massaging her. Hope this is some help

marie mom of amy 6

At witts end...someone HELP!!!

I'm using this as a real venting forum and for that I am forever sorry. So

many others are dealing with things far worse than behavior yet I find

myself at wit's end with this child (Zachary).

I hate myself for hating him sometimes and feel like the worst mother on

the face of the earth. Behavior with Zach just seems to be getting worse.

I'm sure that it must be my imagination...but......

This is going to sound really harsh right now but " THIS CHILD JUST DOESN'T

GET IT "

I CAN " T discipline him like my other kids, he doesn't " get it " ; he just

doesn't. Today for the gazillienth time he unloaded all of the clothes in

his drawers and took everything down in his closet than broke the hangers

(did this during nap time). This has definitely got to stop, BUT HOW! Betime

is such a nightmare because he doesn't settle no matter what kind of before

bed routine we have, he still doesn't settle until very late. :o( :o(

I talk to him and tell him why I am angry and ask him if he knows why I am

angry and he tells me like he does understand but as soon as I turn around

he's back at it.

As you can tell I am completely frustrated right now and I know that I

really need to learn some coping techniques and quick. I'm hoping that

someone, anyone will be able to enlighten me. I know that many of you have

said to treat him like the others but it just seems so much like " easier

said than done " right now.

For some other questions...

How are children with MDS different from " normal " children. Mentality,

speech, physical stuff???

I am aware that some are more " affected " than others but I'm just curious.

I'm sorry if I sound completely ignorant on the subject but really I am.

There are alot of things that I yearn to know about MDS and every little bit

of information helps me understand more.

Thank-you every one for listening to me gripe and I feel much better now.

Typing this has been therapeutic and now I will go and try to tuck Zach in

again for the gazillienth time, lol! He just doesn't like to settle he is

just way to busy and never seems to want to slow down.

:o)

Kim

wife to dh 1996

mom to

dd March 1998

ds March 2001

ds July 2002 (Zachary - waiting for MDS test results)

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Dear Kim,

Thank you for using this forum for venting your frustrations. I bet we

have all felt the way you feel at some time with our children. There are some

nights when I put the kids both to bed and leave them with Dad while I go

shopping at Wal Mart heading out the door at 10 p.m. just for a break. That's

pretty sad when grocery/ weekly shopping alone late at night seems like a

" break " instead of a chore. I am a collector of very little, but I have one

vice. I LOVE nice, hand made pottery. Long before we had two children, I

invested in a pot that I really thought was one of the nicest I ever saw. It is

a piece by an artist named Boyce, and she does great stuff. It's a pot that has

humpback whales in gray/white relief against a charcoal background. Hard to

describe, but really beautiful. When we built our home, I had custom made

shelves built in the living room around the sizes and shapes of some special

pieces. The whale pot was one of the most special pieces. On Saturday, while I

was taking a powder, Jonas crawled up on the shelves ( I keep books on the

bottom shelves because of him) and he grabbed my whale pot and now it is in 20

pieces. There was no reason for him to do this. He just decided that he had a

moment of aloneness and he was free to destroy I guess. I was far to disgusted

to punish him. I just had a few tears and took him to bed. He was having no

part in that, so he was going to do to his room stuff like you have described

your son doing during nap time. I had enough destruction, so I laid down and

slept with him. When my husband came home from his morning golf, he saw the pot

and never said a word. He found me asleep with Jonas in bed and left us alone

for hours. That evening we all went to the drive in. That was not much easier

with Jonas going all over the car, but it got me out of the house for a few

hours. I told you all of this so you know that I really know and understand how

frustrating it is. I am comforted by people like Kristy who had a son who was

pretty difficult one time too, who now has none of this to deal with. I keep

telling myself, to keep pressing on and keep praying. One day this stage will

be over.

We get Jonas to settle and sleep by playing lullabies or classical music in

his room at night. We have done it since birth, so it may work better for him

than for all kids, but you may want to try some really nice soft music. Kenny

Loggins " Return to Pooh Corner " is a really good one that most kids like.

Pretty soothing and nice. I hope you occasionally get some time off and take a

date with your husband or something. I wish I did that more, but it is so hard

to arrange sometimes. You guys have sure had to wait a long time for the test

results for your son. I can't for the life of me imagine what was ordered that

is taking so long. Jonas' blood work was sent with a " rush " order on it, but it

was only about 10 days until we knew he had MDS for sure. I hope that you are

getting some good suggestions, and that you will find that " peace that surpasses

all human understanding " . Praying for you and your family,

Blessings,

Barb Martz

Mom to Jonas (MDS) 4 & 10

At witts end...someone HELP!!!

I'm using this as a real venting forum and for that I am forever sorry. So

many others are dealing with things far worse than behavior yet I find

myself at wit's end with this child (Zachary).

I hate myself for hating him sometimes and feel like the worst mother on

the face of the earth. Behavior with Zach just seems to be getting worse.

I'm sure that it must be my imagination...but......

This is going to sound really harsh right now but " THIS CHILD JUST DOESN'T

GET IT "

I CAN " T discipline him like my other kids, he doesn't " get it " ; he just

doesn't. Today for the gazillienth time he unloaded all of the clothes in

his drawers and took everything down in his closet than broke the hangers

(did this during nap time). This has definitely got to stop, BUT HOW! Betime

is such a nightmare because he doesn't settle no matter what kind of before

bed routine we have, he still doesn't settle until very late. :o( :o(

I talk to him and tell him why I am angry and ask him if he knows why I am

angry and he tells me like he does understand but as soon as I turn around

he's back at it.

As you can tell I am completely frustrated right now and I know that I

really need to learn some coping techniques and quick. I'm hoping that

someone, anyone will be able to enlighten me. I know that many of you have

said to treat him like the others but it just seems so much like " easier

said than done " right now.

For some other questions...

How are children with MDS different from " normal " children. Mentality,

speech, physical stuff???

I am aware that some are more " affected " than others but I'm just curious.

I'm sorry if I sound completely ignorant on the subject but really I am.

There are alot of things that I yearn to know about MDS and every little bit

of information helps me understand more.

Thank-you every one for listening to me gripe and I feel much better now.

Typing this has been therapeutic and now I will go and try to tuck Zach in

again for the gazillienth time, lol! He just doesn't like to settle he is

just way to busy and never seems to want to slow down.

:o)

Kim

wife to dh 1996

mom to

dd March 1998

ds March 2001

ds July 2002 (Zachary - waiting for MDS test results)

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Dear Kim-

Never be sorry for venting to us - that is part of what we are here for. We all

need to let off a little steam sometimes.

My little Adam - who is my grandson - lives with me so I can totally relate to

what you are saying. Do you have any idea how many DVD's can fit into a VCR?

Well in case you don't know, it is six or eight if you really cram them in.

Just ask Adam - this is one of his favorite past times. His OT taught him to

throw a ball - so now he thinks it is OK to throw whatever he can get his hands

on while yelling " catch " . I don't know how nothing has gone through the TV. We

did get one broken light bulb in the lamp so far. Thanks to Shrek - he can head

butt, wrestle, and yell " Shut up Donkey " at us. Mind you, he can only use about

10 to 15 words properly at this time, but Shut Up Donkey comes out as clear as a

bell. Like you, we try to correct him, but aren't exactly sure if he

understand. I personally think he understands more than we give him credit for.

He loves to take his clothes off and run around in his diaper (potty training is

a whole other story). His mom tells him to keep

his clothes on so he will hide in the hallway and strip.

I know this doesn't really help you except to know you are not alone. Hang in

there, eventually Zach (and Adam and Sir Jonas and All of the rest of our

Angels) will get it.

Donna - gram to Adam 3 mds and Skylar 3 - who is not much better

Kim H wrote:

I'm using this as a real venting forum and for that I am forever sorry. So

many others are dealing with things far worse than behavior yet I find

myself at wit's end with this child (Zachary).

I hate myself for hating him sometimes and feel like the worst mother on

the face of the earth. Behavior with Zach just seems to be getting worse.

I'm sure that it must be my imagination...but......

This is going to sound really harsh right now but " THIS CHILD JUST DOESN'T

GET IT "

I CAN " T discipline him like my other kids, he doesn't " get it " ; he just

doesn't. Today for the gazillienth time he unloaded all of the clothes in

his drawers and took everything down in his closet than broke the hangers

(did this during nap time). This has definitely got to stop, BUT HOW! Betime

is such a nightmare because he doesn't settle no matter what kind of before

bed routine we have, he still doesn't settle until very late. :o( :o(

I talk to him and tell him why I am angry and ask him if he knows why I am

angry and he tells me like he does understand but as soon as I turn around

he's back at it.

As you can tell I am completely frustrated right now and I know that I

really need to learn some coping techniques and quick. I'm hoping that

someone, anyone will be able to enlighten me. I know that many of you have

said to treat him like the others but it just seems so much like " easier

said than done " right now.

For some other questions...

How are children with MDS different from " normal " children. Mentality,

speech, physical stuff???

I am aware that some are more " affected " than others but I'm just curious.

I'm sorry if I sound completely ignorant on the subject but really I am.

There are alot of things that I yearn to know about MDS and every little bit

of information helps me understand more.

Thank-you every one for listening to me gripe and I feel much better now.

Typing this has been therapeutic and now I will go and try to tuck Zach in

again for the gazillienth time, lol! He just doesn't like to settle he is

just way to busy and never seems to want to slow down.

:o)

Kim

wife to dh 1996

mom to

dd March 1998

ds March 2001

ds July 2002 (Zachary - waiting for MDS test results)

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Donna said...Hang in there, eventually Zach (and Adam and Sir Jonas and All of

the rest of our Angels) will get it.

Donna... from your lips to God's ears! I heard on the radio the other day, " If

you want to hear God laugh, just tell Him your plans " . One day we will all be

able to look back and remember, but for today the throwing continues in our

home. Jonas loves to throw things up and over his head behind him. We envision

him on a little league standing on the pitcher's mound facing the outfield

throwing balls at the batters over his head backward, and even doing this with

accuracy!

(Love the donkey thing, and they know, I am sure of it!)

Lots of Love,

Barb Martz

Mom to Jonas (MDS) &

Re: At witts end...someone HELP!!!

Dear Kim-

Never be sorry for venting to us - that is part of what we are here for. We

all need to let off a little steam sometimes.

My little Adam - who is my grandson - lives with me so I can totally relate to

what you are saying. Do you have any idea how many DVD's can fit into a VCR?

Well in case you don't know, it is six or eight if you really cram them in.

Just ask Adam - this is one of his favorite past times. His OT taught him to

throw a ball - so now he thinks it is OK to throw whatever he can get his hands

on while yelling " catch " . I don't know how nothing has gone through the TV. We

did get one broken light bulb in the lamp so far. Thanks to Shrek - he can head

butt, wrestle, and yell " Shut up Donkey " at us. Mind you, he can only use about

10 to 15 words properly at this time, but Shut Up Donkey comes out as clear as a

bell. Like you, we try to correct him, but aren't exactly sure if he

understand. I personally think he understands more than we give him credit for.

He loves to take his clothes off and run around in his diaper (potty training is

a whole other story). His mom tells him to keep

his clothes on so he will hide in the hallway and strip.

I know this doesn't really help you except to know you are not alone. Hang in

there, eventually Zach (and Adam and Sir Jonas and All of the rest of our

Angels) will get it.

Donna - gram to Adam 3 mds and Skylar 3 - who is not much better

Kim H > wrote:

I'm using this as a real venting forum and for that I am forever sorry. So

many others are dealing with things far worse than behavior yet I find

myself at wit's end with this child (Zachary).

I hate myself for hating him sometimes and feel like the worst mother on

the face of the earth. Behavior with Zach just seems to be getting worse.

I'm sure that it must be my imagination...but......

This is going to sound really harsh right now but " THIS CHILD JUST DOESN'T

GET IT "

I CAN " T discipline him like my other kids, he doesn't " get it " ; he just

doesn't. Today for the gazillienth time he unloaded all of the clothes in

his drawers and took everything down in his closet than broke the hangers

(did this during nap time). This has definitely got to stop, BUT HOW! Betime

is such a nightmare because he doesn't settle no matter what kind of before

bed routine we have, he still doesn't settle until very late. :o( :o(

I talk to him and tell him why I am angry and ask him if he knows why I am

angry and he tells me like he does understand but as soon as I turn around

he's back at it.

As you can tell I am completely frustrated right now and I know that I

really need to learn some coping techniques and quick. I'm hoping that

someone, anyone will be able to enlighten me. I know that many of you have

said to treat him like the others but it just seems so much like " easier

said than done " right now.

For some other questions...

How are children with MDS different from " normal " children. Mentality,

speech, physical stuff???

I am aware that some are more " affected " than others but I'm just curious.

I'm sorry if I sound completely ignorant on the subject but really I am.

There are alot of things that I yearn to know about MDS and every little bit

of information helps me understand more.

Thank-you every one for listening to me gripe and I feel much better now.

Typing this has been therapeutic and now I will go and try to tuck Zach in

again for the gazillienth time, lol! He just doesn't like to settle he is

just way to busy and never seems to want to slow down.

:o)

Kim

wife to dh 1996

mom to

dd March 1998

ds March 2001

ds July 2002 (Zachary - waiting for MDS test results)

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Dear Kim-

Never be sorry for venting to us - that is part of what we are here for. We all

need to let off a little steam sometimes.

My little Adam - who is my grandson - lives with me so I can totally relate to

what you are saying. Do you have any idea how many DVD's can fit into a VCR?

Well in case you don't know, it is six or eight if you really cram them in.

Just ask Adam - this is one of his favorite past times. His OT taught him to

throw a ball - so now he thinks it is OK to throw whatever he can get his hands

on while yelling " catch " . I don't know how nothing has gone through the TV. We

did get one broken light bulb in the lamp so far. Thanks to Shrek - he can head

butt, wrestle, and yell " Shut up Donkey " at us. Like you, we try to correct him,

but aren't exactly sure if he understand. I personally think he understands

more than we give him credit for. He loves to take his clothes off and run

around in his diaper (potty training is a whole other story). His mom tells him

to keep his clothes on so he will hide in the hallway and strip.

I know this doesn't really help you except to know you are not alone. Hang in

there, eventually Zach (and Adam and Sir Jonas and All of the rest of our

Angels) will get it.

Donna - gram to Adam 3 mds and Skylar 3 who is not much better

Kim H wrote:

I'm using this as a real venting forum and for that I am forever sorry. So

many others are dealing with things far worse than behavior yet I find

myself at wit's end with this child (Zachary).

I hate myself for hating him sometimes and feel like the worst mother on

the face of the earth. Behavior with Zach just seems to be getting worse.

I'm sure that it must be my imagination...but......

This is going to sound really harsh right now but " THIS CHILD JUST DOESN'T

GET IT "

I CAN " T discipline him like my other kids, he doesn't " get it " ; he just

doesn't. Today for the gazillienth time he unloaded all of the clothes in

his drawers and took everything down in his closet than broke the hangers

(did this during nap time). This has definitely got to stop, BUT HOW! Betime

is such a nightmare because he doesn't settle no matter what kind of before

bed routine we have, he still doesn't settle until very late. :o( :o(

I talk to him and tell him why I am angry and ask him if he knows why I am

angry and he tells me like he does understand but as soon as I turn around

he's back at it.

As you can tell I am completely frustrated right now and I know that I

really need to learn some coping techniques and quick. I'm hoping that

someone, anyone will be able to enlighten me. I know that many of you have

said to treat him like the others but it just seems so much like " easier

said than done " right now.

For some other questions...

How are children with MDS different from " normal " children. Mentality,

speech, physical stuff???

I am aware that some are more " affected " than others but I'm just curious.

I'm sorry if I sound completely ignorant on the subject but really I am.

There are alot of things that I yearn to know about MDS and every little bit

of information helps me understand more.

Thank-you every one for listening to me gripe and I feel much better now.

Typing this has been therapeutic and now I will go and try to tuck Zach in

again for the gazillienth time, lol! He just doesn't like to settle he is

just way to busy and never seems to want to slow down.

:o)

Kim

wife to dh 1996

mom to

dd March 1998

ds March 2001

ds July 2002 (Zachary - waiting for MDS test results)

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  • 2 weeks later...

Dear Kim,

I have a confession to make to you. Sir Jonas does not respect the duct

taped shut, and re-taped CD player either. They sell a wall mounted CD player,

and you can put it as near to the ceiling as you wish because there is a remote

control! Thank Goodness for inventiveness, and Christmas gifts!

Barb Martz

Mom to Jonas (MDS) 4 yrs. 10 mo. & 10

Re: At witts end...someone HELP!!!

I just wanted to thank everyone for your kind words of understanding,

support and advice. It has definitely helped me out. I have kept all of the

responses so that when we are having a bad day I can go back and read

everyone's stories and advice. I know that I definitely have a trillion

more.

Playing soft music for him would be good in theory but I laughed when I

read that not because it is crazy or anything but I was having visions of

Zachary dismantling a radio, tape or CD! His bedroom is literaly empty

except for his bed and dresser. There are no toys (he's destroy them) and no

books (he'd shred them). We have a play room and mini library in our

basement where they play and read so that I can keep my eye on him.

I loved the story about the dvd's in the dvd player, I laughed alot about

that one. I can share a few myself. According to a 3 year old poop makes and

excellent paint (YUCK I know!), printer ink can make a beautiful work of art

on light carpet and the master piece will last forever, other forms of

paint...bum cream, cream of wheat cereal, nail polish; I'm sure there are

others but I can't think of them right now, lol! ;o) You notice I'm laughing

now, we are really trying to relax about the whole thing.

Sorry that this response has been so long in the calling but we were away

on a family trip to South Dakota (Black Hills). The kids had a blast and

even Zach was pretty well behaved with only a few outbursts. I have also

started taking in before school children (I work evenings), I currently have

a little girl who is 4.5 and a DS boy who is 8. I'll tell you that the DS

boy is such a joy to care for, he is so well behaved I find it amazing

simply because my own three don't listen as well, lol.

Thanks again,

Kim

wife to Todd since March 1996

le March 1998

March 2001

Zachary July 2002 (still waiting on MDS test results)

--

~K

Rien n'est plus lourd qu'un coeur vide...

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I want to let you know that Nat was like this when he was younger. We were sure

he was going to be like this for the rest ofhis life!!! However, he is a much

different child now. Zachary won't have the urges to be as curious as possible

and a human wrecking tornado before too long. I understadn it is frustrating,

but it will get better!!

Hold on and take some pleasure in the ways of " creativity " in his play :)

Irene mom to Nat 11 MDS, Luke 9, Emilia 6, Lillian 4, and Ikey 21 mo

Re: At witts end...someone HELP!!!

I just wanted to thank everyone for your kind words of understanding,

support and advice. It has definitely helped me out. I have kept all of the

responses so that when we are having a bad day I can go back and read

everyone's stories and advice. I know that I definitely have a trillion

more.

Playing soft music for him would be good in theory but I laughed when I

read that not because it is crazy or anything but I was having visions of

Zachary dismantling a radio, tape or CD! His bedroom is literaly empty

except for his bed and dresser. There are no toys (he's destroy them) and no

books (he'd shred them). We have a play room and mini library in our

basement where they play and read so that I can keep my eye on him.

I loved the story about the dvd's in the dvd player, I laughed alot about

that one. I can share a few myself. According to a 3 year old poop makes and

excellent paint (YUCK I know!), printer ink can make a beautiful work of art

on light carpet and the master piece will last forever, other forms of

paint...bum cream, cream of wheat cereal, nail polish; I'm sure there are

others but I can't think of them right now, lol! ;o) You notice I'm laughing

now, we are really trying to relax about the whole thing.

Sorry that this response has been so long in the calling but we were away

on a family trip to South Dakota (Black Hills). The kids had a blast and

even Zach was pretty well behaved with only a few outbursts. I have also

started taking in before school children (I work evenings), I currently have

a little girl who is 4.5 and a DS boy who is 8. I'll tell you that the DS

boy is such a joy to care for, he is so well behaved I find it amazing

simply because my own three don't listen as well, lol.

Thanks again,

Kim

wife to Todd since March 1996

le March 1998

March 2001

Zachary July 2002 (still waiting on MDS test results)

--

~K

Rien n'est plus lourd qu'un coeur vide...

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