Re: , sulfation between chelation cycles?

[Guest guest]

nne,

I am not sure what you are describing, but I would certainly want to be

sure he did not have blood in his stool. Have you ever had his stool analyzed?

One thing that can be very different in these kids is WHICH " critters " are

inhabiting the colon, and what they are doing with whatever comes their

direction. If you have a leaky gut, or slowed digestion, intestinal

pathogens that should be in the colon can move up into the small intestine

where they can get out into the blood stream and even infect other

organs. If you have a nasty pathogen, whatever you are treating your son

with may be used by that pathogen, fueling its continued success or

overgrowth. There are pathogens who have special genes for dealing with

sulfate deficiency which we ourselves do not seem to possess, and no one

has studied what they might have to do with autism, if anything.

I don't know if you are familiar with Ellen Bolte's work (she publishes the

" clostridium hypothesis " in Medical Hypothesis), but her further work is

doing cultures of the stool and finding out what is living there in

autistic children. Some of the anaerobes can put out nasty stuff, some

which may be neuromodulators, and that may be what you are seeing.

Certain viruses (mainly herpetic like chicken pox and cold sores) also use

sulfated molecules to enter the cell, and for those children, as soon as

you attempt to correct their sulfation chemistry, you might end up with a

viral flareup...a frustrating dilemma.

When you find a problem with the epsom salts, and you were gentle about the

way you introduced it, but it still seemed to cause more problems than

benefits, you would probably want to see if your doctor could identify and

treat infectional issues, and in the meantime hold off the epsom salts.

Of course, there is also the fungal issue. I don't know if you are

familiar with Bill Shaw's test where he looks for fungal metabolites in an

organic acids panel.

nne, do you have a doctor you are working with who could order these

tests for you?

Can you think of any infectional issues in your son's history or use of

certain antibiotics which would have altered his gut flora?

Do other parents have any stories to tell along these lines of success in

identifying or treating pathogens?

(who wishes this were less complicated...)

At 3/25/2001 +000001:46 PM, you wrote:

>, I am sorry I keep picking your brain but I am sure the

>sulfation problem goes beyond Jack and I find it very pertinet. Jack

>has been considerable worse in some ways with the baths, mostly

>hyperactivity, compliance and chewing. However, this morning I

>noticed his stool was black, mostly the outside of it. It sometimes

>looks like this during a chelation cycle but I am not chelating.

>Could The bath be clearing out the excess garbage. If so would that

>explain the hyperactivivty? I appreciate all your input. And don't

>worry, I know this is not medical advice. Thanks again, nne

>

>

>

>=======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

-, Once again thanks for the information. Jack today is

unusually calm, of course, just when I start questioning what I am

doing things advance. He is definitely sulfated because I am seeing

those cold sores you talked about. I will be taking all your

information to my new doctor. I finally have a doctor that will work

with me. I guess, I just wanted to know if the hyperactivity comes

before the calm. If that was the experience w/ your daughter,

symptoms worsen before they get better, time frame of improvement,

ect.. I have read shaw's book. It got me on the road to biological

treatments. I also Have a NAET practitioner who is very

knowledgeable and helpful but I have not mentioned chelation to her

because she would not want me doing it. I also had Jack stool tested

several times. Nothing came up. Not for yeast a shws lab but I

thought I would tackle chelation first. Well thanks for all the

information. I will be showing it all to my doctor. I also have a

friend who is doing 2 cups of ESB with her son for about a month and

he is much calmer. He is completely non-verbal 2-3 and she says

there is a huge difference. Thanks for all the knowledge you share.

nne

-- In @y..., Owens <lwo@i...> wrote:

> nne,

>

> I am not sure what you are describing, but I would certainly want

to be

> sure he did not have blood in his stool. Have you ever had his

stool analyzed?

>

> One thing that can be very different in these kids is WHICH

" critters " are

> inhabiting the colon, and what they are doing with whatever comes

their

> direction. If you have a leaky gut, or slowed digestion, intestinal

> pathogens that should be in the colon can move up into the small

intestine

> where they can get out into the blood stream and even infect other

> organs. If you have a nasty pathogen, whatever you are treating

your son

> with may be used by that pathogen, fueling its continued success or

> overgrowth. There are pathogens who have special genes for dealing

with

> sulfate deficiency which we ourselves do not seem to possess, and

no one

> has studied what they might have to do with autism, if anything.

>

> I don't know if you are familiar with Ellen Bolte's work (she

publishes the

> " clostridium hypothesis " in Medical Hypothesis), but her further

work is

> doing cultures of the stool and finding out what is living there in

> autistic children. Some of the anaerobes can put out nasty stuff,

some

> which may be neuromodulators, and that may be what you are seeing.

>

> Certain viruses (mainly herpetic like chicken pox and cold sores)

also use

> sulfated molecules to enter the cell, and for those children, as

soon as

> you attempt to correct their sulfation chemistry, you might end up

with a

> viral flareup...a frustrating dilemma.

>

> When you find a problem with the epsom salts, and you were gentle

about the

> way you introduced it, but it still seemed to cause more problems

than

> benefits, you would probably want to see if your doctor could

identify and

> treat infectional issues, and in the meantime hold off the epsom

salts.

>

> Of course, there is also the fungal issue. I don't know if you are

> familiar with Bill Shaw's test where he looks for fungal

metabolites in an

> organic acids panel.

>

> nne, do you have a doctor you are working with who could order

these

> tests for you?

>

> Can you think of any infectional issues in your son's history or

use of

> certain antibiotics which would have altered his gut flora?

>

> Do other parents have any stories to tell along these lines of

success in

> identifying or treating pathogens?

>

> (who wishes this were less complicated...)

>

> At 3/25/2001 +000001:46 PM, you wrote:

> >, I am sorry I keep picking your brain but I am sure the

> >sulfation problem goes beyond Jack and I find it very pertinet.

Jack

> >has been considerable worse in some ways with the baths, mostly

> >hyperactivity, compliance and chewing. However, this morning I

> >noticed his stool was black, mostly the outside of it. It

sometimes

> >looks like this during a chelation cycle but I am not chelating.

> >Could The bath be clearing out the excess garbage. If so would

that

> >explain the hyperactivivty? I appreciate all your input. And don't

> >worry, I know this is not medical advice. Thanks again, nne

> >

> >

> >

> >=======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

nne,

My son also has viral flares whenever we try to improve his sulfation. He has

trouble clearing herpes family viruses. He had a horrible time with HHV6 aka

roseola

when he was 4 and he has had shingles TWICE!! He gets mouth sores periodically.

For

the past 20 months he has been taking acyclovir when the viruses start to flare

and

we have been able to prevent the long lasting regressions that the viruses used

to

bring.

[Guest guest]

>, My son is also 4. What type of regression did you see?

Jack did great today. He was pretty calm and we had a party with

lots of kids. He was in with the rest of the group. What benefit

have you seen w/ sulfation and any benefit with acyclovere(sp)

Thanks, nne

>

> My son also has viral flares whenever we try to improve his

sulfation. He has

> trouble clearing herpes family viruses. He had a horrible time

with HHV6 aka roseola

> when he was 4 and he has had shingles TWICE!! He gets mouth sores

periodically. For

> the past 20 months he has been taking acyclovir when the viruses

start to flare and

> we have been able to prevent the long lasting regressions that the

viruses used to

> bring.

>

>