RE: Whey & Dairy Science//Supplements

[Guest guest]

Terry,

Thanks for that post. I did not know that enzymes could destroy

beneficial bacteria! Maybe that's why my dog wont' eat his food if

I sprinkle on the enzymes? I swear, this is not the 1st time he's

been smarter than I. Anyway, good post, and thanks.

I need to pipe up here on the essential oils, though. I am a recent

fan of Krispin Sullivan, who has written a few articles for the

WestonAPrice.org website. On her website,

http://www.krispin.com/omega3.htm#Note%20Regarding%20Fish%20Oil%

20Brands,%20Efficacy%20and%20Safety

She has the following to say about fish oils:

" Some clinicians have suggested that only a particular brand or

source of fish oil, usually one they are selling, is safe. They have

reasons, often ones that appear to make sense, however, there is no

evidence that fish oil from any of the major, reputable, companies

is harmful or damaged. The best buy is without a doubt Costco brand

at 300 soft gels for about $8.00. They are able to offer this price

because of high turnover, that is, volume sales allows for a deep

discount. Volume sales also allows for fresher product. The second

best buy is Trader Joe's Trader Darwin Omega-3. Both brands have

high turnover (fast moving shelf life) which contributes to the

freshness factor and lower cost. They are easy to find and easy to

use. Now Foods also offers a regular and extra strength (called

Super EPA, fewer soft gels to take) fish oil at reasonable cost. "

(She goes on to cite a 'popular web-based doctor' who bashes Costco

oil, even though tests found no fault with the oil.)

I also get Mercola's 'newsletter' (- lately perceived more as

infomercials - and getting very repetitive, too), but I tend to

trust advice like Krispin's better, because she doesn't sell it. Of

course, I read this AFTER I already paid the $18.00 for 'Norwegian'

brand. Sigh... At least it tastes good. But next time, I'm going

back to Costco!

-Blair

>

> EPA/Fish Oils -- Much of it is toxic or of poor quality. Dr.

Mercola used to recommend the Costco brand, but found out it was

junk. There are many great cod liver/fish oils out there, but the

Carlson's is the most taste-tolerated, and easy to find. And Flax

Oil is not better than Salmon Oil by a long shot. (Never buy Dale

's anything.) Some people do extremely well adding these

oils to their Milk Diet, and the very few do not. May be a liver

problem in the very toxic. It seems people of sea-faring genes need

this food more than us mountain folks. Do not force this issue on

anybody. They may work up to it once they feel better.

>

[Guest guest]

I always wondered about enzyme supplements. Someone gave me some when I was

pregnant to treat heartburn, but the directions said do not take while

pregnant or nursing. Not just check with your doctor, a definant do not

take. This makes me think that those manufactuers know that they are not

all that their cracked up to be, and are worried about damage to the babys

digestion, or something of that nature.

Layla

>

>Reply-To: RawDairy

>To: <RawDairy >

>Subject: Whey & Dairy Science//Supplements

>Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:26:48 -0500

>

>Sometimes I say things and then realize it was more true than I thought....

> In yesterday's mail.....The new Swanson Catalog: www.swansonvitamins.com

>(These are great people, but you must shop wisely.)

>Tonalin CLA Probiotic Complex IgG Concentrate and NOW (drumroll)...

>Insitut Rosell (big multinational that dominates cheese/wine culture

>market, but they don't splice) has a full line of Probiotics. ConAgra also

>is in the game with a human flora strain called Culturelle. The Miracles

>of Dairy Science just keep on comin'.....

>

>We are off-topic here, but this always comes up when people are trying to

>get well... I've learned this from sad experience. Forgive the length.

>It has to be said.

>

>Three areas to be especially careful of.... meaning Nothing there is of

>much value, and the marketing/research is crap.......so, please Buyer

>Beware.

>

>EPA/Fish Oils -- Much of it is toxic or of poor quality. Dr. Mercola used

>to recommend the Costco brand, but found out it was junk. There are many

>great cod liver/fish oils out there, but the Carlson's is the most

>taste-tolerated, and easy to find. And Flax Oil is not better than Salmon

>Oil by a long shot. (Never buy Dale 's anything.) Some people do

>extremely well adding these oils to their Milk Diet, and the very few do

>not. May be a liver problem in the very toxic. It seems people of

>sea-faring genes need this food more than us mountain folks. Do not force

>this issue on anybody. They may work up to it once they feel better.

>

>Vitamin B/C & Amino Acids -- Every time you take something out of its

>natural complex, (whey protein isolates, etc.) you create something foreign

>to the body that it has to break down as a Toxin. The seperated amino

>acids (lef org.com) have messed more people up than they have helped. (To

>safely get rid of what's already around, use it as garden fertilizer.)

>Same with Ascorbic Acid, which is not the real Vitamin C Linus ing

>used. And Beta-Carotene is not Vitamin A. Taurine and Alpha-Lipoic-Acid

>are the unusual exceptions to this rule. Don't fully understand why.

>

>Enzymes -- (This area makes me the most crazy, and I can point to any

>number of others who would agree with me.) Howell (1950s?) brought

>the idea of Enzymes to everyone's attention...a good thing, but he is just

>the beginning of the conversation....lots of errors have come to light

>based on new data. Your body makes its own customized enzymes when your

>inner Flora is in good shape. This is why we do the Milk Diet in the first

>place. Now we've got toxic enzymes that supposedly cure Cancer, help you

>lose Weight, especially formulated for Vegans and Vegetarians.... Protease

>will kill all Flora hiroshima-dead, worse than any antibiotic. All this

>from mysterious " proprietary processes " , maybe from GE Soybeans. Many

>supplements are coming out now in an " enzymatic base " , which could be a

>good thing. But the last time they spliced some toxic bacteria together,

>the L-Tryptophan they made killed people. Leave this stuff alone until we

>know what's really going on. Cellulase & Pancreatic Enzymes are the

>exception.. Even cows, who are used to digesting all that insoluable Fiber

>from all those improperly prepared whole grains and raw veggies, get

>Cellulase in their feed.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Blair--

It gets so confusing out there with everybody having such wide-ranging

opinions on products, that without my finger method of Kinesiology, I'd

be.lost. We have only one new Costco around here, so I don't know from

people's expereinces who's right on that one. A very few have not been able

to handle the Cod Liver Oil until their body was working better, me being

one of them.

I have been saying that since Dr. Mercola has remarried, written books, AND

gone on speaking tours, that HE cannot be the one sitting there

writing/editing all that stuff. (He also has a wildly successful practice

to run.)

Geez-- whoever is editing could just look up what's been previously written,

and spare themselves the embarrassment of all the contradictions. I think

the heyday of that newsletter was 1999-2001. He was truly writing the

thing, and I was fortunate to have him reply to a few notes I sent. There

is occasionally a good nugget to be found, even now.

I suspect he's a lovely soul who is trying to do way too many things, as are

most of us.

--Terry

Re: Whey & Dairy Science//Supplements

> Terry,

> Thanks for that post. I did not know that enzymes could destroy

> beneficial bacteria! Maybe that's why my dog wont' eat his food if

> I sprinkle on the enzymes? I swear, this is not the 1st time he's

> been smarter than I. Anyway, good post, and thanks.

>

> I need to pipe up here on the essential oils, though. I am a recent

> fan of Krispin Sullivan, who has written a few articles for the

> WestonAPrice.org website. On her website,

>

> http://www.krispin.com/omega3.htm#Note%20Regarding%20Fish%20Oil%

> 20Brands,%20Efficacy%20and%20Safety

>

> She has the following to say about fish oils:

>

> " Some clinicians have suggested that only a particular brand or

> source of fish oil, usually one they are selling, is safe. They have

> reasons, often ones that appear to make sense, however, there is no

> evidence that fish oil from any of the major, reputable, companies

> is harmful or damaged. The best buy is without a doubt Costco brand

> at 300 soft gels for about $8.00. They are able to offer this price

> because of high turnover, that is, volume sales allows for a deep

> discount. Volume sales also allows for fresher product. The second

> best buy is Trader Joe's Trader Darwin Omega-3. Both brands have

> high turnover (fast moving shelf life) which contributes to the

> freshness factor and lower cost. They are easy to find and easy to

> use. Now Foods also offers a regular and extra strength (called

> Super EPA, fewer soft gels to take) fish oil at reasonable cost. "

>

> (She goes on to cite a 'popular web-based doctor' who bashes Costco

> oil, even though tests found no fault with the oil.)

>

> I also get Mercola's 'newsletter' (- lately perceived more as

> infomercials - and getting very repetitive, too), but I tend to

> trust advice like Krispin's better, because she doesn't sell it. Of

> course, I read this AFTER I already paid the $18.00 for 'Norwegian'

> brand. Sigh... At least it tastes good. But next time, I'm going

> back to Costco!

>

> -Blair

>

>

> >

> > EPA/Fish Oils -- Much of it is toxic or of poor quality. Dr.

> Mercola used to recommend the Costco brand, but found out it was

> junk. There are many great cod liver/fish oils out there, but the

> Carlson's is the most taste-tolerated, and easy to find. And Flax

> Oil is not better than Salmon Oil by a long shot. (Never buy Dale

> 's anything.) Some people do extremely well adding these

> oils to their Milk Diet, and the very few do not. May be a liver

> problem in the very toxic. It seems people of sea-faring genes need

> this food more than us mountain folks. Do not force this issue on

> anybody. They may work up to it once they feel better.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

At one of our WAPF dinners, someone said " see the enzymes digesting the food

right on the plate " , as she sprinkled some on. For a short time, they

worked for her, and then became too strong no matter how she tried to buffer

them with food.

I got deathly ill from taking Protease enzymes alone between meals. I want

you to know a very well -respected enzyme company in Texas recommended this

for people with Crohn's and IBS. This company came highly recommended from

someone I trusted.

People like this should be prosecuted, but that's never going to happen

unless LOTS of people die first.

So we're on our own out here.....

--Terry

Whey & Dairy Science//Supplements

> >Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:26:48 -0500

> >

> >Sometimes I say things and then realize it was more true than I

thought....

> > In yesterday's mail.....The new Swanson Catalog:

www.swansonvitamins.com

> >(These are great people, but you must shop wisely.)

> >Tonalin CLA Probiotic Complex IgG Concentrate and NOW (drumroll)...

> >Insitut Rosell (big multinational that dominates cheese/wine culture

> >market, but they don't splice) has a full line of Probiotics. ConAgra

also

> >is in the game with a human flora strain called Culturelle. The Miracles

> >of Dairy Science just keep on comin'.....

> >

> >We are off-topic here, but this always comes up when people are trying to

> >get well... I've learned this from sad experience. Forgive the length.

> >It has to be said.

> >

> >Three areas to be especially careful of.... meaning Nothing there is of

> >much value, and the marketing/research is crap.......so, please Buyer

> >Beware.

> >

> >EPA/Fish Oils -- Much of it is toxic or of poor quality. Dr. Mercola

used

> >to recommend the Costco brand, but found out it was junk. There are many

> >great cod liver/fish oils out there, but the Carlson's is the most

> >taste-tolerated, and easy to find. And Flax Oil is not better than

Salmon

> >Oil by a long shot. (Never buy Dale 's anything.) Some people

do

> >extremely well adding these oils to their Milk Diet, and the very few do

> >not. May be a liver problem in the very toxic. It seems people of

> >sea-faring genes need this food more than us mountain folks. Do not

force

> >this issue on anybody. They may work up to it once they feel better.

> >

> >Vitamin B/C & Amino Acids -- Every time you take something out of its

> >natural complex, (whey protein isolates, etc.) you create something

foreign

> >to the body that it has to break down as a Toxin. The seperated amino

> >acids (lef org.com) have messed more people up than they have helped.

(To

> >safely get rid of what's already around, use it as garden fertilizer.)

> >Same with Ascorbic Acid, which is not the real Vitamin C Linus ing

> >used. And Beta-Carotene is not Vitamin A. Taurine and

Alpha-Lipoic-Acid

> >are the unusual exceptions to this rule. Don't fully understand why.

> >

> >Enzymes -- (This area makes me the most crazy, and I can point to any

> >number of others who would agree with me.) Howell (1950s?)

brought

> >the idea of Enzymes to everyone's attention...a good thing, but he is

just

> >the beginning of the conversation....lots of errors have come to light

> >based on new data. Your body makes its own customized enzymes when your

> >inner Flora is in good shape. This is why we do the Milk Diet in the

first

> >place. Now we've got toxic enzymes that supposedly cure Cancer, help you

> >lose Weight, especially formulated for Vegans and Vegetarians....

Protease

> >will kill all Flora hiroshima-dead, worse than any antibiotic. All this

> >from mysterious " proprietary processes " , maybe from GE Soybeans. Many

> >supplements are coming out now in an " enzymatic base " , which could be a

> >good thing. But the last time they spliced some toxic bacteria

together,

> >the L-Tryptophan they made killed people. Leave this stuff alone until

we

> >know what's really going on. Cellulase & Pancreatic Enzymes are the

> >exception.. Even cows, who are used to digesting all that insoluable

Fiber

> >from all those improperly prepared whole grains and raw veggies, get

> >Cellulase in their feed.

> >

> >