Re: Andy/Steve - To Hans

[Guest guest]

Dear Hans,

I will answer your questions but I have no expectation that you will

agree with my answers. I would not have agreed with them either up

until about 9 years ago. From reading your posts, it appears that

your worldview is very similar to the one I held up until about 10

years ago. There was no one single event that changed my world view

10 years ago; however, my study of A Course In Miracles and then the

doing of The Work certainly were the major contributors.

Here are my answers for whatever they are worth.

You said:

" However (laughs, yepp a but coming If it is an illusion that you

know how to start the car without being told each time by someone

else than yourself, then is it an illusion that you are sitting in

the car as well? "

SD: For Me, Yes and the garage that I think I keep it in and the

dealer that I think I bought it from -- all no more thatn stories I

am telling myself.

You said: " Where does the illusion of knowing end or start in this

case? "

SD: It started with a thought of " I AM " and forgetting to laugh at

the absurdity of such a thought. It will end with the realization of

the oneness of the apparent separate things.

You said: " Do we not know how to start a car by simply feeling we do

not know it and do it anyway? "

SD: We tell ourself a story that there is a car and that we know how

to start the imaginary car and then we tell ourself a story that we

did it.

You said: " Maybe it is an illusion that we do not know anything? "

SD: You could be right.

Love, Steve D

> > Thanks Andy, I enjoyed what you had to say.

> >

> > However, I still say that I really can't know anything.

> > All of the example's that you gave (flame, light socket, car,

etc)

> > all are part of the illusion and an illusion is nothing but an

> > illusion. So, if I tell myself that I know these things, I am

> merely

> > reinfocing my own belief that the illusion is real. Let me say

it

> > this way, I prefer to know nothing.

>

>

> I can relate to your understanding of this Steve

> However (laughs, yepp a but coming If it is an illusion that you

> know how to start the car without being told each time by someone

> else than yourself, then is it an illusion that you are sitting in

> the car as well?

> Where does the illusion of knowing end or start in this case.

> Do we not know how to start a car by simply feeling we do not know

> it and do it anyway?

> Maybe it is an illusion that we do not know anything?

>

> It is in any way for me a very amusing subject.

>

> For example, I do not know any english at all, so it is simply an

> illusion that you are able to read this, for I do not know how to

> write or use a computer, the knowledge is not there, only nothing

is

> there

>

> Sounds like an old Monthy Python eposide, lol.

>

> Love,

>

> - Hans

[Guest guest]

I think I understand you very well Steve.

It is a dream philosophy as I see it, that all we are experiencing

in thought are illusions, like dreaming of course.

Do you mean that garage is an illusion because it is just other

pieces of the same Oneness put together, nothing more nothing less,

and that the digressing thoughts or what have you are the extent?

It is to me a very cute way of looking at it, or not looking at it

All thoughts are but dreams of illusions, creating a reality for, be

it with reason or not.

As once said when asked if what she believed was right or

wrong, truth or false

" So what if it is a lie, I'm living a beautiful dream, why would I

want to wake up? "

I'm a poet and I have as far as I care to remember been very

inspired my dreams but... what if I am dreaming still while not

asleep?

I can hear a Matrix concept arising in the background, lol.

As I said before, I can relate to that way of thinking Steve.

Like a chameleon adapts his colors after his enviroment, so do we,

but those are called illusions, not colors, still it is all

available for questioning... and that is for me the beauty of it

all

[Guest guest]

Dear Hans,

I am very favorably impressed with your sense of humor. I love the

way that you can discuss these things without getting too attached to

who is right or wrong. Thanks for posting here!

Love, Steve D.

>

>

> I think I understand you very well Steve.

>

> It is a dream philosophy as I see it, that all we are experiencing

> in thought are illusions, like dreaming of course.

>

> Do you mean that garage is an illusion because it is just other

> pieces of the same Oneness put together, nothing more nothing less,

> and that the digressing thoughts or what have you are the extent?

>

> It is to me a very cute way of looking at it, or not looking at

it

> All thoughts are but dreams of illusions, creating a reality for,

be

> it with reason or not.

>

> As once said when asked if what she believed was right or

> wrong, truth or false

> " So what if it is a lie, I'm living a beautiful dream, why would I

> want to wake up? "

>

>

> I'm a poet and I have as far as I care to remember been very

> inspired my dreams but... what if I am dreaming still while not

> asleep?

>

> I can hear a Matrix concept arising in the background, lol.

>

> As I said before, I can relate to that way of thinking Steve.

> Like a chameleon adapts his colors after his enviroment, so do we,

> but those are called illusions, not colors, still it is all

> available for questioning... and that is for me the beauty of it

> all

[Guest guest]

> Dear Hans,

>

> I am very favorably impressed with your sense of humor. I love

the

> way that you can discuss these things without getting too attached

to

> who is right or wrong. Thanks for posting here!

>

> Love, Steve D.

Thanks for appreciating that Steve.

I feel that a smile on my face puts a smile in my mind

Love,

- Hans