Re: Should I get tested for heavy metals

[Guest guest]

Sam Ziff and Dr. F. Ziff wrote a 434 page book entitled " Infertility &

Birth Defects: Is Mercury from Silver Dental Fillings an Unsuspected Cause? "

printed 1987 by Bio-Probe, Inc. P.O. Box 580160, Orlando, FL 32858-0160.

Unfortunately, I don't find phone # for them.

S

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[ ] Should I get tested for heavy metals if contemp

lating 2nd child?

I am a 38 year old mom of a 2.5 year old child with PDD-NOS. We have

been chelating him with DMSA/lipoic acid as per the DAN protocol

(except dosing evry 4 hours). We have seen high levels of aluminum,

tin, nickel, and lead come out of his urine after provocations. I am

beginning to wonder where he was exposed to all this stuff and if he

contracted it from me in utero. My husband was remodeling a house

built in 1963 while I was pregnant and I occasionally came out to the

house to see the progress.(my gut is now in a knot over this). Could

there be a link? Also, I do have a handful of fillings in my teeth.

And finally, I heard there may be a link between soy consumptiona nd

lead - is this true? I sure ate my share of soy products.

Anyway, we have been trying for a 2nd child for some time now. Our

first child (our son with PDD) took over 2 years to conceive, I

miscarried our 2nd at 12 weeks of pregnancy (trisomy 16), and I have

not been able to get preganant since (we have not tried any high tech

stuff yet). Do you think I should get worked up for metal

toxicity? Could there be a link between infertility and metal

toxicity? Do I need to have my fillings replaced before chelating?

Where do I start? My family doctor is pretty willing and open,

although this is not his area of expertise. Thanks for any help you

can give. We are running out of time due to my age. Much

appreciated.

[Guest guest]

> I am a 38 year old mom of a 2.5 year old child with PDD-NOS. We

have

> been chelating him with DMSA/lipoic acid as per the DAN protocol

> (except dosing evry 4 hours). We have seen high levels of

aluminum,

> tin, nickel, and lead come out of his urine after provocations. I

am

> beginning to wonder where he was exposed to all this stuff and if

he

> contracted it from me in utero. My husband was remodeling a house

> built in 1963 while I was pregnant and I occasionally came out to

the

> house to see the progress.(my gut is now in a knot over this).

Mother guilt is forbidden! Worry about the future, which you can

change, not the past, which you cannot. Learn from the past, but

don't waste a second worrying about it.

> Could

> there be a link?

I'd be surprised. Not unless you helped a lot and got pretty toxic.

> Also, I do have a handful of fillings in my teeth.

> And finally, I heard there may be a link between soy consumptiona

nd

> lead - is this true?

I have no idea.

> I sure ate my share of soy products.

>

> Anyway, we have been trying for a 2nd child for some time now. Our

> first child (our son with PDD) took over 2 years to conceive, I

> miscarried our 2nd at 12 weeks of pregnancy (trisomy 16), and I

have

> not been able to get preganant since (we have not tried any high

tech

> stuff yet). Do you think I should get worked up for metal

> toxicity?

Yes. Your kid has it, you are at high risk.

> Could there be a link between infertility and metal

> toxicity?

Yes.

> Do I need to have my fillings replaced before chelating?

Yes.

> Where do I start?

By thinking really hard about what you want out of life.

My only real suggestions are that if you ARE going to have another

child, don't start doing detox until after birth. Detox will mobilize

toxins and make them more available to the fetus (even months after

you stop trying to detox). Also, lots of antioxidant vitamins and

nutrients during pregnancy is a good idea, but this is one place to be

reasonably conservative and consult someone who really has expertise

in stuffing nutritional supplements down pregnant women. I don't

think you want to see an MD - mainstream or alternative - for this

one. You want to see someone with interest, training, background, and

experience in using nutritional supplements in and of themselves.

I'd guess that any reasonable nutritional supplement program would

also increase your fertility.

Do note that vitamin A (not carotenes, A in the retino-XXX form) is

teratogenic and you need to stay at or below 10,000 IU a day.

The basic trade-off is this:

1) Have a baby and take more risks you have a toxic one and have to

detox them, and that you might have one you can't really make healthy.

All the heavy metals are likely to cause birth defects, which are hard

to fix, in addition to all the developmental symptoms of heavy metal

tox (autism, PDD, ADHD, etc) which are correctable with proper detox.

2) Don't have a baby and lament not doing it all your life.

I'd actually be reasonably optimistic if I were you - you know what

the risk factors are and have experience treating for them.

If the idea of another baby is more wonderful than the idea of another

PDD/ADHD/whatever baby is scary, then go for it!

It's really a personal decision. You already have a child with

problems, so you have some idea of what you could face. I don't think

doc's have any business counseling you on what to decide (unlike

average parents who haven't had a disabled child). Their role is

simply to give you the odds - and in this area I don't believe any of

them have a clue what those are.

> My family doctor is pretty willing and open,

> although this is not his area of expertise. Thanks for any help

you

> can give. We are running out of time due to my age. Much

> appreciated.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

Having a baby is one of the precious things in life, but as a mother

of 5 children, I feel I can tell you I have 2 boys that were

affected, several years apart. Now the statictics are higher for boys

then girls, but my now 6 year old daughter was well on her way to

damage when I had the common sense to no longer vanccinate her, by 1

year she was hitting herself, biting herself, throughing terrible

tanrums, and lining things up. She would have been another one of the

lesser statistics, she was well on her way to the dx of autism. She

gets the horrible circles under eyes and on those days she is very

difficult to handle, she gets eczema, and is very sensitive to milk

products and wheat.I had alot of dental work done prior to having

her. I know now that I have cracked fillings, taste metal in my mouth

and have many symptoms of mercury poisoning. I personally as much as

I love children would do anything I had to do to not risk the chance

of having another child until I did all that I could to limit the

risks of bringing another child into the world that stands a chance

of being damaged. I had my last child at 37. You have time to take

care of your own health and if you want to be there for your children

in mind and body and heart you would do that first, because the way I

feel daily makes it difficult at times to raise my children. I will

be getting fillings out soon, and hopefully well on my way to feeling

better so I can be complete for my children. I say this with love and

understanding of a mom that loves babies. Leah

-- In @y..., AndyCutler@a... wrote:

> > I am a 38 year old mom of a 2.5 year old child with PDD-NOS.

We

> have

> > been chelating him with DMSA/lipoic acid as per the DAN

protocol

> > (except dosing evry 4 hours). We have seen high levels of

> aluminum,

> > tin, nickel, and lead come out of his urine after

provocations. I

> am

> > beginning to wonder where he was exposed to all this stuff and

if

> he

> > contracted it from me in utero. My husband was remodeling a

house

> > built in 1963 while I was pregnant and I occasionally came out

to

> the

> > house to see the progress.(my gut is now in a knot over this).

>

> Mother guilt is forbidden! Worry about the future, which you can

> change, not the past, which you cannot. Learn from the past, but

> don't waste a second worrying about it.

>

> > Could

> > there be a link?

>

> I'd be surprised. Not unless you helped a lot and got pretty toxic.

>

> > Also, I do have a handful of fillings in my teeth.

> > And finally, I heard there may be a link between soy

consumptiona

> nd

> > lead - is this true?

>

> I have no idea.

>

> > I sure ate my share of soy products.

> >

> > Anyway, we have been trying for a 2nd child for some time now.

Our

> > first child (our son with PDD) took over 2 years to conceive, I

> > miscarried our 2nd at 12 weeks of pregnancy (trisomy 16), and I

> have

> > not been able to get preganant since (we have not tried any

high

> tech

> > stuff yet). Do you think I should get worked up for metal

> > toxicity?

>

> Yes. Your kid has it, you are at high risk.

>

> > Could there be a link between infertility and metal

> > toxicity?

>

> Yes.

>

> > Do I need to have my fillings replaced before chelating?

>

> Yes.

>

> > Where do I start?

>

> By thinking really hard about what you want out of life.

>

> My only real suggestions are that if you ARE going to have another

> child, don't start doing detox until after birth. Detox will

mobilize

> toxins and make them more available to the fetus (even months after

> you stop trying to detox). Also, lots of antioxidant vitamins and

> nutrients during pregnancy is a good idea, but this is one place to

be

> reasonably conservative and consult someone who really has

expertise

> in stuffing nutritional supplements down pregnant women. I don't

> think you want to see an MD - mainstream or alternative - for this

> one. You want to see someone with interest, training, background,

and

> experience in using nutritional supplements in and of themselves.

>

> I'd guess that any reasonable nutritional supplement program would

> also increase your fertility.

>

> Do note that vitamin A (not carotenes, A in the retino-XXX form) is

> teratogenic and you need to stay at or below 10,000 IU a day.

>

> The basic trade-off is this:

>

> 1) Have a baby and take more risks you have a toxic one and have to

> detox them, and that you might have one you can't really make

healthy.

> All the heavy metals are likely to cause birth defects, which are

hard

> to fix, in addition to all the developmental symptoms of heavy

metal

> tox (autism, PDD, ADHD, etc) which are correctable with proper

detox.

>

> 2) Don't have a baby and lament not doing it all your life.

>

> I'd actually be reasonably optimistic if I were you - you know what

> the risk factors are and have experience treating for them.

>

> If the idea of another baby is more wonderful than the idea of

another

> PDD/ADHD/whatever baby is scary, then go for it!

>

> It's really a personal decision. You already have a child with

> problems, so you have some idea of what you could face. I don't

think

> doc's have any business counseling you on what to decide (unlike

> average parents who haven't had a disabled child). Their role is

> simply to give you the odds - and in this area I don't believe any

of

> them have a clue what those are.

>

> > My family doctor is pretty willing and open,

> > although this is not his area of expertise. Thanks for any help

> you

> > can give. We are running out of time due to my age. Much

> > appreciated.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I guess what we are all trying to trace down is how much of our own mercury load contributed to our child's autism in utero....

When I found out my son had a high mercury hair test, I was challenged to find a current source of exposure. I've contacted our water authority (0.00 ug/g) and everyone wanted to know how much fish he ate. Now we are looking at how much my body mercury contributed to his toxic load by trying to see if I have a high mercury level myself.

The last place anyone in the medical community wants to look is the obvious fact that we pumped ethyl mercury into his little body starting at one day old.

Are we experiencing a rebirth of the refrigerator mother syndrome with maternal mercury?? Whenever looking for a cause of autism or other unexplained childhood disorders isn't the first place everyone looks is at the mother and what did she do to cause it??? ly I'm getting sick of it.

Don't get me wrong, I am testing myself for mercury to see if I still have any. My major exposures to mercury were much earlier in my life and were well over 5 years before my son was born. I had no major exposures during my pregnancy. So, what we are saying is that the mercury in my body that had found homes in my tissue decided that pregnancy was a good time to migrate to my son. Its feasible. I theorize if I had enough mercury in my body then to do that and didn't clear it as it came in then I probably still have a good load that needs cleaning. Even if my tests come back and say I have high mercury, I am not ready to say this is the only or even the majority of the reason why my son has developmental issues. When we start putting toxic stuff in their bodies at one day old there is no way to tell the difference between the environment of modern medicine and the environment of in utero.

I strongly suspect that my son's high mercury is predominantly from his vaccinations. It is just a diversionary tactic to try and go back and blame it on the mother......

Alice

[ ] Re: Should I get tested for heavy metals

-Having a baby is one of the precious things in life, but as a mother of 5 children, I feel I can tell you I have 2 boys that were affected, several years apart. Now the statictics are higher for boys then girls, but my now 6 year old daughter was well on her way to damage when I had the common sense to no longer vanccinate her, by 1 year she was hitting herself, biting herself, throughing terrible tanrums, and lining things up. She would have been another one of the lesser statistics, she was well on her way to the dx of autism. She gets the horrible circles under eyes and on those days she is very difficult to handle, she gets eczema, and is very sensitive to milk products and wheat.I had alot of dental work done prior to having her. I know now that I have cracked fillings, taste metal in my mouth and have many symptoms of mercury poisoning. I personally as much as I love children would do anything I had to do to not risk the chance of having another child until I did all that I could to limit the risks of bringing another child into the world that stands a chance of being damaged. I had my last child at 37. You have time to take care of your own health and if you want to be there for your children in mind and body and heart you would do that first, because the way I feel daily makes it difficult at times to raise my children. I will be getting fillings out soon, and hopefully well on my way to feeling better so I can be complete for my children. I say this with love and understanding of a mom that loves babies. Leah -- In @y..., AndyCutler@a... wrote:> > I am a 38 year old mom of a 2.5 year old child with PDD-NOS. We > have > > been chelating him with DMSA/lipoic acid as per the DAN protocol > > (except dosing evry 4 hours). We have seen high levels of > aluminum, > > tin, nickel, and lead come out of his urine after provocations. I > am > > beginning to wonder where he was exposed to all this stuff and if > he > > contracted it from me in utero. My husband was remodeling a house > > built in 1963 while I was pregnant and I occasionally came out to > the > > house to see the progress.(my gut is now in a knot over this). > > Mother guilt is forbidden! Worry about the future, which you can > change, not the past, which you cannot. Learn from the past, but > don't waste a second worrying about it.> > > Could > > there be a link? > > I'd be surprised. Not unless you helped a lot and got pretty toxic.> > > Also, I do have a handful of fillings in my teeth. > > And finally, I heard there may be a link between soy consumptiona > nd > > lead - is this true? > > I have no idea.> > > I sure ate my share of soy products.> > > > Anyway, we have been trying for a 2nd child for some time now. Our > > first child (our son with PDD) took over 2 years to conceive, I > > miscarried our 2nd at 12 weeks of pregnancy (trisomy 16), and I > have > > not been able to get preganant since (we have not tried any high > tech > > stuff yet). Do you think I should get worked up for metal > > toxicity? > > Yes. Your kid has it, you are at high risk. > > > Could there be a link between infertility and metal > > toxicity? > > Yes.> > > Do I need to have my fillings replaced before chelating? > > Yes.> > > Where do I start? > > By thinking really hard about what you want out of life.> > My only real suggestions are that if you ARE going to have another > child, don't start doing detox until after birth. Detox will mobilize > toxins and make them more available to the fetus (even months after > you stop trying to detox). Also, lots of antioxidant vitamins and > nutrients during pregnancy is a good idea, but this is one place to be > reasonably conservative and consult someone who really has expertise > in stuffing nutritional supplements down pregnant women. I don't > think you want to see an MD - mainstream or alternative - for this > one. You want to see someone with interest, training, background, and > experience in using nutritional supplements in and of themselves.> > I'd guess that any reasonable nutritional supplement program would > also increase your fertility.> > Do note that vitamin A (not carotenes, A in the retino-XXX form) is > teratogenic and you need to stay at or below 10,000 IU a day.> > The basic trade-off is this:> > 1) Have a baby and take more risks you have a toxic one and have to > detox them, and that you might have one you can't really make healthy. > All the heavy metals are likely to cause birth defects, which are hard > to fix, in addition to all the developmental symptoms of heavy metal > tox (autism, PDD, ADHD, etc) which are correctable with proper detox.> > 2) Don't have a baby and lament not doing it all your life.> > I'd actually be reasonably optimistic if I were you - you know what > the risk factors are and have experience treating for them.> > If the idea of another baby is more wonderful than the idea of another > PDD/ADHD/whatever baby is scary, then go for it! > > It's really a personal decision. You already have a child with > problems, so you have some idea of what you could face. I don't think > doc's have any business counseling you on what to decide (unlike > average parents who haven't had a disabled child). Their role is > simply to give you the odds - and in this area I don't believe any of > them have a clue what those are.> > > My family doctor is pretty willing and open, > > although this is not his area of expertise. Thanks for any help > you > > can give. We are running out of time due to my age. Much > > appreciated. > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Due to how your body handles mercury I would say you need to wait 2

years after you begin detox to conceive. One if you do very intesive

chelation and are willing to take some risk.

If you have my book, look at the plot on page 52 - you feel better

fairly soon (at which time you will be motivated to conceive) and THEN

your body starts mobilizing and dumping tons of mercury for most of

the next year...

Andy

> > > I am a 38 year old mom of a 2.5 year old child with PDD-NOS.

> We

> > have

> > > been chelating him with DMSA/lipoic acid as per the DAN

> protocol

> > > (except dosing evry 4 hours). We have seen high levels of

> > aluminum,

> > > tin, nickel, and lead come out of his urine after

> provocations. I

> > am

> > > beginning to wonder where he was exposed to all this stuff and

> if

> > he

> > > contracted it from me in utero. My husband was remodeling a

> house

> > > built in 1963 while I was pregnant and I occasionally came out

> to

> > the

> > > house to see the progress.(my gut is now in a knot over this).

> >

> > Mother guilt is forbidden! Worry about the future, which you can

> > change, not the past, which you cannot. Learn from the past, but

> > don't waste a second worrying about it.

> >

> > > Could

> > > there be a link?

> >

> > I'd be surprised. Not unless you helped a lot and got pretty

toxic.

> >

> > > Also, I do have a handful of fillings in my teeth.

> > > And finally, I heard there may be a link between soy

> consumptiona

> > nd

> > > lead - is this true?

> >

> > I have no idea.

> >

> > > I sure ate my share of soy products.

> > >

> > > Anyway, we have been trying for a 2nd child for some time now.

> Our

> > > first child (our son with PDD) took over 2 years to conceive,

I

> > > miscarried our 2nd at 12 weeks of pregnancy (trisomy 16), and

I

> > have

> > > not been able to get preganant since (we have not tried any

> high

> > tech

> > > stuff yet). Do you think I should get worked up for metal

> > > toxicity?

> >

> > Yes. Your kid has it, you are at high risk.

> >

> > > Could there be a link between infertility and metal

> > > toxicity?

> >

> > Yes.

> >

> > > Do I need to have my fillings replaced before chelating?

> >

> > Yes.

> >

> > > Where do I start?

> >

> > By thinking really hard about what you want out of life.

> >

> > My only real suggestions are that if you ARE going to have another

> > child, don't start doing detox until after birth. Detox will

> mobilize

> > toxins and make them more available to the fetus (even months

after

> > you stop trying to detox). Also, lots of antioxidant vitamins and

> > nutrients during pregnancy is a good idea, but this is one place

to

> be

> > reasonably conservative and consult someone who really has

> expertise

> > in stuffing nutritional supplements down pregnant women. I don't

> > think you want to see an MD - mainstream or alternative - for this

> > one. You want to see someone with interest, training, background,

> and

> > experience in using nutritional supplements in and of themselves.

> >

> > I'd guess that any reasonable nutritional supplement program would

> > also increase your fertility.

> >

> > Do note that vitamin A (not carotenes, A in the retino-XXX form)

is

> > teratogenic and you need to stay at or below 10,000 IU a day.

> >

> > The basic trade-off is this:

> >

> > 1) Have a baby and take more risks you have a toxic one and have

to

> > detox them, and that you might have one you can't really make

> healthy.

> > All the heavy metals are likely to cause birth defects, which are

> hard

> > to fix, in addition to all the developmental symptoms of heavy

> metal

> > tox (autism, PDD, ADHD, etc) which are correctable with proper

> detox.

> >

> > 2) Don't have a baby and lament not doing it all your life.

> >

> > I'd actually be reasonably optimistic if I were you - you know

what

> > the risk factors are and have experience treating for them.

> >

> > If the idea of another baby is more wonderful than the idea of

> another

> > PDD/ADHD/whatever baby is scary, then go for it!

> >

> > It's really a personal decision. You already have a child with

> > problems, so you have some idea of what you could face. I don't

> think

> > doc's have any business counseling you on what to decide (unlike

> > average parents who haven't had a disabled child). Their role is

> > simply to give you the odds - and in this area I don't believe any

> of

> > them have a clue what those are.

> >

> > > My family doctor is pretty willing and open,

> > > although this is not his area of expertise. Thanks for any

help

> > you

> > > can give. We are running out of time due to my age. Much

> > > appreciated.

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately mothers can be a significant source of mercury.

Of course, more than one kind of health care professional pumped them

full of it...

A pretty common presentation at the doc's office is the

fibromyalgic/chronic fatigue mother bringing in her ADHD/PDD/autistic

child.

Andy

> > > I am a 38 year old mom of a 2.5 year old child with PDD-NOS.

> We

> > have

> > > been chelating him with DMSA/lipoic acid as per the DAN

> protocol

> > > (except dosing evry 4 hours). We have seen high levels of

> > aluminum,

> > > tin, nickel, and lead come out of his urine after

> provocations. I

> > am

> > > beginning to wonder where he was exposed to all this stuff

and

> if

> > he

> > > contracted it from me in utero. My husband was remodeling a

> house

> > > built in 1963 while I was pregnant and I occasionally came

out

> to

> > the

> > > house to see the progress.(my gut is now in a knot over

this).

> >

> > Mother guilt is forbidden! Worry about the future, which you

can

> > change, not the past, which you cannot. Learn from the past,

but

> > don't waste a second worrying about it.

> >

> > > Could

> > > there be a link?

> >

> > I'd be surprised. Not unless you helped a lot and got pretty

toxic.

> >

> > > Also, I do have a handful of fillings in my teeth.

> > > And finally, I heard there may be a link between soy

> consumptiona

> > nd

> > > lead - is this true?

> >

> > I have no idea.

> >

> > > I sure ate my share of soy products.

> > >

> > > Anyway, we have been trying for a 2nd child for some time

now.

> Our

> > > first child (our son with PDD) took over 2 years to

conceive, I

> > > miscarried our 2nd at 12 weeks of pregnancy (trisomy 16),

and I

> > have

> > > not been able to get preganant since (we have not tried any

> high

> > tech

> > > stuff yet). Do you think I should get worked up for metal

> > > toxicity?

> >

> > Yes. Your kid has it, you are at high risk.

> >

> > > Could there be a link between infertility and metal

> > > toxicity?

> >

> > Yes.

> >

> > > Do I need to have my fillings replaced before chelating?

> >

> > Yes.

> >

> > > Where do I start?

> >

> > By thinking really hard about what you want out of life.

> >

> > My only real suggestions are that if you ARE going to have

another

> > child, don't start doing detox until after birth. Detox will

> mobilize

> > toxins and make them more available to the fetus (even months

after

> > you stop trying to detox). Also, lots of antioxidant vitamins

and

> > nutrients during pregnancy is a good idea, but this is one place

to

> be

> > reasonably conservative and consult someone who really has

> expertise

> > in stuffing nutritional supplements down pregnant women. I

don't

> > think you want to see an MD - mainstream or alternative - for

this

> > one. You want to see someone with interest, training,

background,

> and

> > experience in using nutritional supplements in and of

themselves.

> >

> > I'd guess that any reasonable nutritional supplement program

would

> > also increase your fertility.

> >

> > Do note that vitamin A (not carotenes, A in the retino-XXX form)

is

> > teratogenic and you need to stay at or below 10,000 IU a day.

> >

> > The basic trade-off is this:

> >

> > 1) Have a baby and take more risks you have a toxic one and have

to

> > detox them, and that you might have one you can't really make

> healthy.

> > All the heavy metals are likely to cause birth defects, which

are

> hard

> > to fix, in addition to all the developmental symptoms of heavy

> metal

> > tox (autism, PDD, ADHD, etc) which are correctable with proper

> detox.

> >

> > 2) Don't have a baby and lament not doing it all your life.

> >

> > I'd actually be reasonably optimistic if I were you - you know

what

> > the risk factors are and have experience treating for them.

> >

> > If the idea of another baby is more wonderful than the idea of

> another

> > PDD/ADHD/whatever baby is scary, then go for it!

> >

> > It's really a personal decision. You already have a child with

> > problems, so you have some idea of what you could face. I don't

> think

> > doc's have any business counseling you on what to decide (unlike

> > average parents who haven't had a disabled child). Their role

is

> > simply to give you the odds - and in this area I don't believe

any

> of

> > them have a clue what those are.

> >

> > > My family doctor is pretty willing and open,

> > > although this is not his area of expertise. Thanks for any

help

> > you

> > > can give. We are running out of time due to my age. Much

> > > appreciated.

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

There are members on this list from around the world, so I think it's safe

to say our children were likely poisoned from a variety of sources. Though

I regret not knowing about the thimerosol in the NINE rhogam shots I

received throughout three pregnancies, I didn't knowingly do anything to

cause my youngest son's autism. Forget the guilt. It's much more productive

to channel your energies towards treatment.

Right around the time my son was diagnosed with autism, I developed

rheumatoid arthritis. My symptoms disappeared for a year or so and now they

seem to be back. My current specialist, who is also a researcher, says I

don't really have it, even though I've had the symptoms and my rheumatoid

factor was sky high when I first tested for it. I'm one of his puzzling

cases. This leads me to believe I am actually suffering from mercury

exposure. Once I get my son in better shape I plan to have my two amalgams

removed and begin chelation. My scenario doesn't apply to everyone, but I

bet a lot of us are needlessly suffering the effects of heavy metals in our

systems. Now if I could only cut down on all the coffee I'm drinking ...

Joyce

Toronto

[ ] Re: Should I get tested for heavy metals

> Unfortunately mothers can be a significant source of mercury.

>

> Of course, more than one kind of health care professional pumped them

> full of it...

>

> A pretty common presentation at the doc's office is the

> fibromyalgic/chronic fatigue mother bringing in her ADHD/PDD/autistic

> child.

>

> Andy

>

>

> > > > I am a 38 year old mom of a 2.5 year old child with PDD-NOS.

> > We

> > > have

> > > > been chelating him with DMSA/lipoic acid as per the DAN

> > protocol

> > > > (except dosing evry 4 hours). We have seen high levels of

> > > aluminum,

> > > > tin, nickel, and lead come out of his urine after

> > provocations. I

> > > am

> > > > beginning to wonder where he was exposed to all this stuff

> and

> > if

> > > he

> > > > contracted it from me in utero. My husband was remodeling a

> > house

> > > > built in 1963 while I was pregnant and I occasionally came

> out

> > to

> > > the

> > > > house to see the progress.(my gut is now in a knot over

> this).

> > >

> > > Mother guilt is forbidden! Worry about the future, which you

> can

> > > change, not the past, which you cannot. Learn from the past,

> but

> > > don't waste a second worrying about it.

> > >

> > > > Could

> > > > there be a link?

> > >

> > > I'd be surprised. Not unless you helped a lot and got pretty

> toxic.

> > >

> > > > Also, I do have a handful of fillings in my teeth.

> > > > And finally, I heard there may be a link between soy

> > consumptiona

> > > nd

> > > > lead - is this true?

> > >

> > > I have no idea.

> > >

> > > > I sure ate my share of soy products.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, we have been trying for a 2nd child for some time

> now.

> > Our

> > > > first child (our son with PDD) took over 2 years to

> conceive, I

> > > > miscarried our 2nd at 12 weeks of pregnancy (trisomy 16),

> and I

> > > have

> > > > not been able to get preganant since (we have not tried any

> > high

> > > tech

> > > > stuff yet). Do you think I should get worked up for metal

> > > > toxicity?

> > >

> > > Yes. Your kid has it, you are at high risk.

> > >

> > > > Could there be a link between infertility and metal

> > > > toxicity?

> > >

> > > Yes.

> > >

> > > > Do I need to have my fillings replaced before chelating?

> > >

> > > Yes.

> > >

> > > > Where do I start?

> > >

> > > By thinking really hard about what you want out of life.

> > >

> > > My only real suggestions are that if you ARE going to have

> another

> > > child, don't start doing detox until after birth. Detox will

> > mobilize

> > > toxins and make them more available to the fetus (even months

> after

> > > you stop trying to detox). Also, lots of antioxidant vitamins

> and

> > > nutrients during pregnancy is a good idea, but this is one place

> to

> > be

> > > reasonably conservative and consult someone who really has

> > expertise

> > > in stuffing nutritional supplements down pregnant women. I

> don't

> > > think you want to see an MD - mainstream or alternative - for

> this

> > > one. You want to see someone with interest, training,

> background,

> > and

> > > experience in using nutritional supplements in and of

> themselves.

> > >

> > > I'd guess that any reasonable nutritional supplement program

> would

> > > also increase your fertility.

> > >

> > > Do note that vitamin A (not carotenes, A in the retino-XXX form)

> is

> > > teratogenic and you need to stay at or below 10,000 IU a day.

> > >

> > > The basic trade-off is this:

> > >

> > > 1) Have a baby and take more risks you have a toxic one and have

> to

> > > detox them, and that you might have one you can't really make

> > healthy.

> > > All the heavy metals are likely to cause birth defects, which

> are

> > hard

> > > to fix, in addition to all the developmental symptoms of heavy

> > metal

> > > tox (autism, PDD, ADHD, etc) which are correctable with proper

> > detox.

> > >

> > > 2) Don't have a baby and lament not doing it all your life.

> > >

> > > I'd actually be reasonably optimistic if I were you - you know

> what

> > > the risk factors are and have experience treating for them.

> > >

> > > If the idea of another baby is more wonderful than the idea of

> > another

> > > PDD/ADHD/whatever baby is scary, then go for it!

> > >

> > > It's really a personal decision. You already have a child with

> > > problems, so you have some idea of what you could face. I don't

> > think

> > > doc's have any business counseling you on what to decide (unlike

> > > average parents who haven't had a disabled child). Their role

> is

> > > simply to give you the odds - and in this area I don't believe

> any

> > of

> > > them have a clue what those are.

> > >

> > > > My family doctor is pretty willing and open,

> > > > although this is not his area of expertise. Thanks for any

> help

> > > you

> > > > can give. We are running out of time due to my age. Much

> > > > appreciated.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

> Right around the time my son was diagnosed with autism, I developed

> rheumatoid arthritis. My symptoms disappeared for a year or so and

now they

> seem to be back. My current specialist, who is also a researcher,

says I

> don't really have it, even though I've had the symptoms and my

rheumatoid

> factor was sky high when I first tested for it. I'm one of his

puzzling

> cases. This leads me to believe I am actually suffering from mercury

> exposure.

Very likely.

Interesting factoid: both penicillamine and DMPS, classic

anti-mercury drugs, are well known to be effective treatments for

rheumatoid arthritis. MD medical science doesn't know why.

>Once I get my son in better shape I plan to have my two amalgams

> removed and begin chelation. My scenario doesn't apply to everyone,

but I

> bet a lot of us are needlessly suffering the effects of heavy metals

in our

> systems. Now if I could only cut down on all the coffee I'm drinking

....

You probably need the cholinergic stimulation. Try taking choline

supplement and perhaps forskolin as well and see if you need less

coffee.

Andy

[Guest guest]

Joyce,

I have a neighbor whose son developed rheumatoid arthrits after his

vaccines. They were actually able to prove the connection. They didn't

say it was from mercury but reading your post made me think that's probably

what it was. I wish you luck in your chelation and speedy recovery. Pat

>

>There are members on this list from around the world, so I think it's safe

>to say our children were likely poisoned from a variety of sources. Though

>I regret not knowing about the thimerosol in the NINE rhogam shots I

>received throughout three pregnancies, I didn't knowingly do anything to

>cause my youngest son's autism. Forget the guilt. It's much more productive

>to channel your energies towards treatment.

>

>Right around the time my son was diagnosed with autism, I developed

>rheumatoid arthritis. My symptoms disappeared for a year or so and now they

>seem to be back. My current specialist, who is also a researcher, says I

>don't really have it, even though I've had the symptoms and my rheumatoid

>factor was sky high when I first tested for it. I'm one of his puzzling

>cases. This leads me to believe I am actually suffering from mercury

>exposure. Once I get my son in better shape I plan to have my two amalgams

>removed and begin chelation. My scenario doesn't apply to everyone, but I

>bet a lot of us are needlessly suffering the effects of heavy metals in our

>systems. Now if I could only cut down on all the coffee I'm drinking ...

>

>Joyce

>Toronto

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/17/01 9:31:19 PM, patgallagher@... writes:

<< I have a neighbor whose son developed rheumatoid arthrits after his

vaccines. They were actually able to prove the connection. >>

You should tell her about the class action lawsuit. sounds like he's a good

candidate.