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> Hi,

> I'm wondering if anyone could tell me about the shampoo

concentrates that

> seem to be so popular?

I never thought of 'off-the-rack' shampoo concentrates as being

popular. If you build a formula around a specific blend sold by

McIntyre, Stepan or Whatsa Matter Chemical, you are probably stuck

with that blend. Blends, unless you formulate the blend yourself,

are difficult to 'dupe. You're better off creating your own formula.

> I'm assuming these concentrates do contain water...I

> know my formulator buddy at McIntyre makes his with some water, but

I am

> wondering how much? I could ask him, but wanted to find out if

there are any

> general guidelines for percentages?

Depending on the blend, try to keep the % solids around 18% to 22%

for a good quality shampoo.

Maurice

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Hi Angie,

How about Amphosol CA by Stepan? It is Cocamidopropyl Betaine. You can

combine it with your conditioning thickener and it makes a nice shampoo or

shower gel. (I got a sample and played with it!)

~Patti

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> >Hi,

> >I'm wondering if anyone could tell me about the shampoo

> concentrates that

> >seem to be so popular?

>

> I never thought of 'off-the-rack' shampoo concentrates as being

> popular. If you build a formula around a specific blend sold by

> McIntyre, Stepan or Whatsa Matter Chemical, you are probably stuck

> with that blend. Blends, unless you formulate the blend yourself,

> are difficult to 'dupe. You're better off creating your own formula.

>

> >I'm assuming these concentrates do contain water...I

> >know my formulator buddy at McIntyre makes his with some water, but

> I am

> >wondering how much? I could ask him, but wanted to find out if

> there are any

> >general guidelines for percentages?

>

> Depending on the blend, try to keep the % solids around 18% to 22%

> for a good quality shampoo.

>

> Maurice

Hi Maurice and All,

I've tried some of the 'concentrates' out there and found them to be lacking

in the qualities/characteristics that I am looking for...that's the primary

reason I started searching for better quality chemicals/ingredients and

putting them together myself. So, for me they aren't popular ;) But for some

reason, other folks seem drawn to these concentrates. I guess what I am

really looking for is a definition of " concentrate " . I won't mention any

particular company names (for obvious reasons), but the truth is that I look

at the list of ingredients and see the less expensive (and in my opinion)

lesser quality surfactants listed first and second on the list. I don't see

water listed, but wonder if the blend of surfactants is cut with water? The

" concentrate " that these companies are selling is expensive compared to the

ingredients that I see listed. So, I am just wondering/curious? I'm a bit

slow sometimes.....but it finally occurred to me that I should consider

selling my concentrates, rather than just the raw ingredients......and I

wanted to understand any guidelines around calling a product a " concentrate " .

Maurice, when you say keep the solids around 18-22%, I'm thinking actual

finished shampoo. I use anywhere from 12-35% of surfactants for my finished

shampoo/body wash. But I don't consider my finished shampoo a

concentrate.....because it contains 65-80% water. So, do you see what I am

wondering? Is the consumer comparing apples and oranges when shopping for

these " concentrates " ?

Thanks for your help,

Angie

The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care

Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality

at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com

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In a message dated 1/7/03 8:58:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, sherloc@...

writes:

> Hi Angie,

> How about Amphosol CA by Stepan? It is Cocamidopropyl Betaine. You can

> combine it with your conditioning thickener and it makes a nice shampoo or

> shower gel. (I got a sample and played with it!)

>

> ~Patti

>

Hi Patti and All,

You are a sweetheart to help me out! Yes, I think the betaines are really

useful in these blends! They do help to build viscosity and also boost foam.

I haven't actually tried the Amphosol CA by Stepan, but should evaluate it

pricewise and qualitywise...alot of folks seem to be using it. What I would

do though, is combine that cocamidopropyl betaine with something else....I

would try it with my DLS blend for starters. I believe you would see a

synergistic effect and be pleased with the results. Of course the betaines

can be combined with almost anything!

Fun playing with this stuff, huh?

Thanks again!

Angie

The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care

Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality

at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com

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