Guest guest Posted January 7, 2003 Report Share Posted January 7, 2003 > Hi, > I'm wondering if anyone could tell me about the shampoo concentrates that > seem to be so popular? I never thought of 'off-the-rack' shampoo concentrates as being popular. If you build a formula around a specific blend sold by McIntyre, Stepan or Whatsa Matter Chemical, you are probably stuck with that blend. Blends, unless you formulate the blend yourself, are difficult to 'dupe. You're better off creating your own formula. > I'm assuming these concentrates do contain water...I > know my formulator buddy at McIntyre makes his with some water, but I am > wondering how much? I could ask him, but wanted to find out if there are any > general guidelines for percentages? Depending on the blend, try to keep the % solids around 18% to 22% for a good quality shampoo. Maurice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2003 Report Share Posted January 7, 2003 Hi Angie, How about Amphosol CA by Stepan? It is Cocamidopropyl Betaine. You can combine it with your conditioning thickener and it makes a nice shampoo or shower gel. (I got a sample and played with it!) ~Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2003 Report Share Posted January 7, 2003 In a message dated 1/7/03 8:30:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, mauri ce@... writes: > Subj: Re: shampoo concentrates > Date: 1/7/03 8:30:01 PM Pacific Standard Time > From: <A HREF= " mailto:maurice@... " >maurice@...</A\ > > Reply-to: <A HREF= " mailto:Cosmeticinfo " >Cosmeticinfo </A> > To: <A HREF= " mailto:Cosmeticinfo " >Cosmeticinfo </A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > > >Hi, > >I'm wondering if anyone could tell me about the shampoo > concentrates that > >seem to be so popular? > > I never thought of 'off-the-rack' shampoo concentrates as being > popular. If you build a formula around a specific blend sold by > McIntyre, Stepan or Whatsa Matter Chemical, you are probably stuck > with that blend. Blends, unless you formulate the blend yourself, > are difficult to 'dupe. You're better off creating your own formula. > > >I'm assuming these concentrates do contain water...I > >know my formulator buddy at McIntyre makes his with some water, but > I am > >wondering how much? I could ask him, but wanted to find out if > there are any > >general guidelines for percentages? > > Depending on the blend, try to keep the % solids around 18% to 22% > for a good quality shampoo. > > Maurice Hi Maurice and All, I've tried some of the 'concentrates' out there and found them to be lacking in the qualities/characteristics that I am looking for...that's the primary reason I started searching for better quality chemicals/ingredients and putting them together myself. So, for me they aren't popular But for some reason, other folks seem drawn to these concentrates. I guess what I am really looking for is a definition of " concentrate " . I won't mention any particular company names (for obvious reasons), but the truth is that I look at the list of ingredients and see the less expensive (and in my opinion) lesser quality surfactants listed first and second on the list. I don't see water listed, but wonder if the blend of surfactants is cut with water? The " concentrate " that these companies are selling is expensive compared to the ingredients that I see listed. So, I am just wondering/curious? I'm a bit slow sometimes.....but it finally occurred to me that I should consider selling my concentrates, rather than just the raw ingredients......and I wanted to understand any guidelines around calling a product a " concentrate " . Maurice, when you say keep the solids around 18-22%, I'm thinking actual finished shampoo. I use anywhere from 12-35% of surfactants for my finished shampoo/body wash. But I don't consider my finished shampoo a concentrate.....because it contains 65-80% water. So, do you see what I am wondering? Is the consumer comparing apples and oranges when shopping for these " concentrates " ? Thanks for your help, Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2003 Report Share Posted January 7, 2003 In a message dated 1/7/03 8:58:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, sherloc@... writes: > Hi Angie, > How about Amphosol CA by Stepan? It is Cocamidopropyl Betaine. You can > combine it with your conditioning thickener and it makes a nice shampoo or > shower gel. (I got a sample and played with it!) > > ~Patti > Hi Patti and All, You are a sweetheart to help me out! Yes, I think the betaines are really useful in these blends! They do help to build viscosity and also boost foam. I haven't actually tried the Amphosol CA by Stepan, but should evaluate it pricewise and qualitywise...alot of folks seem to be using it. What I would do though, is combine that cocamidopropyl betaine with something else....I would try it with my DLS blend for starters. I believe you would see a synergistic effect and be pleased with the results. Of course the betaines can be combined with almost anything! Fun playing with this stuff, huh? Thanks again! Angie The Herbarie - Botanicals and Body Care Natural Source & Specialty Bulk Ingredients...Exceptional Quality at Wholesale Prices...visit us at http://www.theherbarie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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