Guest guest Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Hi Manfred, You paint a very bleak picture. Yes there are some that LDN does not help with progression of lesions and some that it does not help with symptom relief, however there are quite a few that have been helped in both areas. I know of someone that has gotten out of a wheel chair the very next day, and my husband who improved 95% within the first month. Is Dr. Mir from Germany the same doctor that did his study by giving it at 9am? If so, do you think his study is only from evidence patients that were taking it at the wrong time? Aletha [low dose naltrexone] LDN and endorphins? > > >> Hello again, while we seem to be on the subject of LDN dosage and >> effectiveness, can anyone produce any lab or clinical studies on low >> doses of naltrexone actually showing an increase (by a factor of 2 or >> 3?) of endorphins and other immune regulating cells in people? It >> would seem that most any immune specialist (?) or lab could do this >> work without incurring great costs. How are endorphins measured? By >> blood work? If so, why aren't we seeing a lot of these reports? It >> should be very straight forward to take a group of patients, measure >> their endorphin levels before LDN and then trying different doses of >> naltrexone to again measure their endorphin levels. This should answer >> a lot of questions about the correct LDN dosage. Has this been done >> recently? Why is it so difficult to get solid information on this? The >> only study that I know of, maybe, was done by Dr. Zagon many years ago. >> As far as I know, the only person tracking LDN patients at least >> semi-publicly is Dr. Bihari on the LDN website and his most recent >> reporting on his patients is now, I believe, more than two years old. >> I have been on LDN now for 15 months and have no idea if it does >> anything for me, I just go by other peoples mostly postive reports and >> hope that LDN is real. Some form of endorphin lab work reporting would >> be very helpful to believe in this whole thing. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Hallo Aletha! Nobody has ever measured endorfinlevels therefore it is also only a theorie,that the time of intake is of any importance.MS often becomes better and worse,it is difficult to say something about a drug from some single cases observed.I hope for you LDN does his job for you and for many others too.You also can see here on the discussion about the fillers,how many patients dont profite,nobody has done an examination if LDN comes out less of one filler or not.If any patient improves in some symptoms it is worth to take it and it is equal if his progression stopps or not. So long Manfred iginal Message ----- From: " Aletha Wittmann " <Aletha@...> <low dose naltrexone > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] endorfin levels > Hi Manfred, > > You paint a very bleak picture. Yes there are some that LDN does not help > with progression of lesions and some that it does not help with symptom > relief, however there are quite a few that have been helped in both areas. > I know of someone that has gotten out of a wheel chair the very next day, > and my husband who improved 95% within the first month. > > Is Dr. Mir from Germany the same doctor that did his study by giving it at > 9am? If so, do you think his study is only from evidence patients that > were > taking it at the wrong time? > > Aletha > [low dose naltrexone] LDN and endorphins? >> >> >>> Hello again, while we seem to be on the subject of LDN dosage and >>> effectiveness, can anyone produce any lab or clinical studies on low >>> doses of naltrexone actually showing an increase (by a factor of 2 or >>> 3?) of endorphins and other immune regulating cells in people? It >>> would seem that most any immune specialist (?) or lab could do this >>> work without incurring great costs. How are endorphins measured? By >>> blood work? If so, why aren't we seeing a lot of these reports? It >>> should be very straight forward to take a group of patients, measure >>> their endorphin levels before LDN and then trying different doses of >>> naltrexone to again measure their endorphin levels. This should answer >>> a lot of questions about the correct LDN dosage. Has this been done >>> recently? Why is it so difficult to get solid information on this? The >>> only study that I know of, maybe, was done by Dr. Zagon many years ago. >>> As far as I know, the only person tracking LDN patients at least >>> semi-publicly is Dr. Bihari on the LDN website and his most recent >>> reporting on his patients is now, I believe, more than two years old. >>> I have been on LDN now for 15 months and have no idea if it does >>> anything for me, I just go by other peoples mostly postive reports and >>> hope that LDN is real. Some form of endorphin lab work reporting would >>> be very helpful to believe in this whole thing. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 LDN made my active lesion inactive after taking LDN for 5 months when I had a MRI and most all my symptoms were gone first week on LDN with fatigue taken away when I started liquid method of Revia. I now take 5mgs of LDN at 9pm. Started LDN Dec. 17, 2004 and I can't believe it's been almost a year. Rhonda > [low dose naltrexone] endorfin levels > > > > Maybe LDN only improves some symptoms and the progression does not > > stopp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 When I first went to Dr. Bihari, almost two years ago, he told me that a number of years ago he worked with a scientist and they actually measured endorphin levels in some of his patients. That's partially how he came to the conclusion that LDN is effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.