Re: wierd virus from raw milk

[Guest guest]

Hello;

Unless I am mistaken (which is always a strong possibility!),

molluscum contagiosum can be caused by a pox virus and viral

infections are the most commonly named cause of Gianotti-Crosti

syndrome...so it seems possible that there is a link. Also, has her

child recently been vaccinated, because there is also an association

between recent vaccinations (I think maybe HepB and MMR given close

together???) and Gianotti-Crosti syndrome. Any other flu symptoms or

signs of a recent viral infection?

Do you know why she suspects the milk? This rash is really not that

serious, but I would imagine it is a little scary to see on her

little one! I hope you can give her some support, and not be too

hard on her for jumping to conclusions....I'm a fan of giving mothers

with sick children lots and lots of slack!

Take care;

Jill

> Hey all,

> I know some of you have medical backgrounds. I have a friend in my

milk

> co-op who has 2 small children a boy and girl. She shocked me this

> morning by sending me a pretty upset email, saying that her son has

> contracted a rare virus and that she is concerned that it is from

the

> raw milk. She has dumped out her 2 gallons and is going to the

store

> this morning to buy pasteurized milk! The virus is called

> Gianotti-Crosti syndrome and is triggered from having a previously

> existing virus like Hep-B, Monomucleosis, sackievirus, or

> Cytomegalovirus Infection (CMV). Her son has already had something

> called Moluscum Contagiosum, which inho, is the reason he developed

this

> new syndrome. Obviously, her support and belief in the value of

raw

> milk did not go very deep. Anyway, if any of you have any research

or

> information on this or any suggestions I would sure appreciate it.

I

> personally wonder if viruses can even BE spread like this, from

bovine

> milk to human. Anyway, thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

, I just spent about 20 minutes on Google, could find NO

reference to Gianotti-Crosti and raw milk. There are 3 references

to kids who had allergies to milk with this disorder, but the vast

majority are associated with Hep B & Epstein Barr, in addition to

the viruses you already mentioned.

It is not a 'rare' virus; it is fairly common in children, lasts 2-3

weeks, typically no complications.

I suspect this child needs the real milk more than before! Too bad

mom poured it out. We can do silly things when we're afraid for our

children. I hope you can calm her down and set her straight. She

needs information. She has a computer; for pete's sake....

Here's an image of the rash:

http://www.contpeds.com/be_core/content/journals/k/data/1998/0800/k8a

146.html

(near bottom of page)

Good Luck!

-Blair

> Hey all,

> I know some of you have medical backgrounds. I have a friend in

my milk

> co-op who has 2 small children a boy and girl. She shocked me

this

> morning by sending me a pretty upset email, saying that her son

has

> contracted a rare virus and that she is concerned that it is from

the

> raw milk. She has dumped out her 2 gallons and is going to the

store

> this morning to buy pasteurized milk! The virus is called

> Gianotti-Crosti syndrome and is triggered from having a previously

> existing virus like Hep-B, Monomucleosis, sackievirus, or

> Cytomegalovirus Infection (CMV). Her son has already had

something

> called Moluscum Contagiosum, which inho, is the reason he

developed this

> new syndrome. Obviously, her support and belief in the value of

raw

> milk did not go very deep. Anyway, if any of you have any

research or

> information on this or any suggestions I would sure appreciate

it. I

> personally wonder if viruses can even BE spread like this, from

bovine

> milk to human. Anyway, thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

Adding to Blair's comments. As a pathologist my first question would be is this really Gianotti-Crosti syndrome (nonspecific dermal reaction to systemic viral infection) or a reaction to the milk. Having said that, Blair's comments about common viral infections associated with this syndrome are important. Then about pox viruses and specifically Molluscum Contagiosum (which is a dermal infection not a systemic infection and looks very different), I am unable to find any report that the members of the pox virus family are implicated in the Gianotti-Crosti syndrome. And Molluscum infections cause a tan/white nodule, and not all over the body.

Ted

Re: wierd virus from raw milk

, I just spent about 20 minutes on Google, could find NO reference to Gianotti-Crosti and raw milk. There are 3 references to kids who had allergies to milk with this disorder, but the vast majority are associated with Hep B & Epstein Barr, in addition to the viruses you already mentioned. It is not a 'rare' virus; it is fairly common in children, lasts 2-3 weeks, typically no complications. I suspect this child needs the real milk more than before! Too bad mom poured it out. We can do silly things when we're afraid for our children. I hope you can calm her down and set her straight. She needs information. She has a computer; for pete's sake.... Here's an image of the rash: http://www.contpeds.com/be_core/content/journals/k/data/1998/0800/k8a146.html(near bottom of page)Good Luck!-Blair> Hey all,> I know some of you have medical backgrounds. I have a friend in my milk > co-op who has 2 small children a boy and girl. She shocked me this > morning by sending me a pretty upset email, saying that her son has > contracted a rare virus and that she is concerned that it is from the > raw milk. She has dumped out her 2 gallons and is going to the store > this morning to buy pasteurized milk! The virus is called > Gianotti-Crosti syndrome and is triggered from having a previously > existing virus like Hep-B, Monomucleosis, sackievirus, or > Cytomegalovirus Infection (CMV). Her son has already had something > called Moluscum Contagiosum, which inho, is the reason he developed this > new syndrome. Obviously, her support and belief in the value of raw > milk did not go very deep. Anyway, if any of you have any research or > information on this or any suggestions I would sure appreciate it. I > personally wonder if viruses can even BE spread like this, from bovine > milk to human. Anyway, thanks!>

[Guest guest]

Not that I think there is evidence to support that this child became

ill from the milk, it does raise the question in my mind, are there

bovine viruses that are secreted in milk? If so, does anyone know

which ones are most common?

Regarding the pox virus infection...There was one case report I saw

where a child developed chicken pox shortly after development

Gianotti-Crosti and oral polio vaccine. Although I didn't mean to

imply there was a specific link, considering that there are likely

many unknown viral etiologies for this, it doesn't seem impossible

(or really likely for that matter!)to me that for this child

Molluscum Contagiosum is the trigger....

Thanks;

Jill

[Guest guest]

Blair--

Leave it to you to find a picture....

I was about to say that the relationship to the mother was probably lost for

good, but you guys have shown me it could be otherwise.

--Terry

Re: wierd virus from raw milk

> , I just spent about 20 minutes on Google, could find NO

> reference to Gianotti-Crosti and raw milk. There are 3 references

> to kids who had allergies to milk with this disorder, but the vast

> majority are associated with Hep B & Epstein Barr, in addition to

> the viruses you already mentioned.

>

> It is not a 'rare' virus; it is fairly common in children, lasts 2-3

> weeks, typically no complications.

>

> I suspect this child needs the real milk more than before! Too bad

> mom poured it out. We can do silly things when we're afraid for our

> children. I hope you can calm her down and set her straight. She

> needs information. She has a computer; for pete's sake....

>

> Here's an image of the rash:

> http://www.contpeds.com/be_core/content/journals/k/data/1998/0800/k8a

> 146.html

> (near bottom of page)

>

> Good Luck!

> -Blair

>

>

> > Hey all,

> > I know some of you have medical backgrounds. I have a friend in

> my milk

> > co-op who has 2 small children a boy and girl. She shocked me

> this

> > morning by sending me a pretty upset email, saying that her son

> has

> > contracted a rare virus and that she is concerned that it is from

> the

> > raw milk. She has dumped out her 2 gallons and is going to the

> store

> > this morning to buy pasteurized milk! The virus is called

> > Gianotti-Crosti syndrome and is triggered from having a previously

> > existing virus like Hep-B, Monomucleosis, sackievirus, or

> > Cytomegalovirus Infection (CMV). Her son has already had

> something

> > called Moluscum Contagiosum, which inho, is the reason he

> developed this

> > new syndrome. Obviously, her support and belief in the value of

> raw

> > milk did not go very deep. Anyway, if any of you have any

> research or

> > information on this or any suggestions I would sure appreciate

> it. I

> > personally wonder if viruses can even BE spread like this, from

> bovine

> > milk to human. Anyway, thanks!

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Jill--

After looking at those boring studies I sent yesterday, my first thought was

that the Good Guys are duking it out, like a Turf War in that poor child's

gut. Now I suspect the vaccine had more to do with it than anything else,

as far as tipping the scales. One of those links talks about Breastfeeding

actually enhancing (in a good way) the effectiveness of vaccines, giving

even more Immunity.

All our best thinking might not influence this mother, but we can try.

--Terry

Re: wierd virus from raw milk

> Not that I think there is evidence to support that this child became

> ill from the milk, it does raise the question in my mind, are there

> bovine viruses that are secreted in milk? If so, does anyone know

> which ones are most common?

>

> Regarding the pox virus infection...There was one case report I saw

> where a child developed chicken pox shortly after development

> Gianotti-Crosti and oral polio vaccine. Although I didn't mean to

> imply there was a specific link, considering that there are likely

> many unknown viral etiologies for this, it doesn't seem impossible

> (or really likely for that matter!)to me that for this child

> Molluscum Contagiosum is the trigger....

>

> Thanks;

>

> Jill

>

>

>

>

> PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!

>

> Check out these links!

> Midvalleyvu Farms http://www.midvalleyvu.com

> The Weston A. Price Foundation: http://www.westonaprice.org

> The Untold Story of Milk http://www.drrons.com/untoldstoryofmilk.html

> Please visit our Raw Dairy files for a wealth of information:

> FILES: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

> Database: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/database

> Recipes:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/database?method=reportRows & tbl

=1

> Contact List:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/database?method=reportRows & tbl

=2

> Photos: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/lst

>

[Guest guest]

Ted, please continue to be one of our resident Scientists. We need this kind of thinking for the Traditional Medicine community to understand the facts of RawDairy.

Not that it matters, but what do you do for a living to have such a sound technical background?

--Terry

Re: wierd virus from raw milk

, I just spent about 20 minutes on Google, could find NO reference to Gianotti-Crosti and raw milk. There are 3 references to kids who had allergies to milk with this disorder, but the vast majority are associated with Hep B & Epstein Barr, in addition to the viruses you already mentioned. It is not a 'rare' virus; it is fairly common in children, lasts 2-3 weeks, typically no complications. I suspect this child needs the real milk more than before! Too bad mom poured it out. We can do silly things when we're afraid for our children. I hope you can calm her down and set her straight. She needs information. She has a computer; for pete's sake.... Here's an image of the rash: http://www.contpeds.com/be_core/content/journals/k/data/1998/0800/k8a146.html(near bottom of page)Good Luck!-Blair> Hey all,> I know some of you have medical backgrounds. I have a friend in my milk > co-op who has 2 small children a boy and girl. She shocked me this > morning by sending me a pretty upset email, saying that her son has > contracted a rare virus and that she is concerned that it is from the > raw milk. She has dumped out her 2 gallons and is going to the store > this morning to buy pasteurized milk! The virus is called > Gianotti-Crosti syndrome and is triggered from having a previously > existing virus like Hep-B, Monomucleosis, sackievirus, or > Cytomegalovirus Infection (CMV). Her son has already had something > called Moluscum Contagiosum, which inho, is the reason he developed this > new syndrome. Obviously, her support and belief in the value of raw > milk did not go very deep. Anyway, if any of you have any research or > information on this or any suggestions I would sure appreciate it. I > personally wonder if viruses can even BE spread like this, from bovine > milk to human. Anyway, thanks!>

[Guest guest]

Yes, your good thinking WILL influence her and I will see to it. I

forwarded the best parts of your emails to her and she does read them.

I don't think she will put her kids on kefir, but it's worth a try.

What's amazing to me is that this is the same woman whom I got to try

coconut kefir and drank it ONE TIME for her own case of severe thrush

on her tongue. She was amazed that after one round of coconut kefir

that her thrush was ccompletely cured. This after lots of antibiotics,

yogurt whatever, nothing worked except the kefir I gave her. So I

don't understand her reticence toward kefir, but again, worth a try.

Also, I have been looking up all the viral triggers of GCS and all of

them say they are transmitted person to person, not animal or food or

whatever to person. Interesting and something she should take comfort

in toward the raw milk.

Bless you guys!

Terry L. wrote:

Jill--

After looking at those boring studies I sent yesterday, my first

thought was

that the Good Guys are duking it out, like a Turf War in that poor

child's

gut. Now I suspect the vaccine had more to do with it than anything

else,

as far as tipping the scales. One of those links talks about

Breastfeeding

actually enhancing (in a good way) the effectiveness of vaccines, giving

even more Immunity.

All our best thinking might not influence this mother, but we can try.

--Terry