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Just wanted to remind the members that the LDN fund for MS is in

existence. Hopefully, everyone who can, has made the 200$ donation.

If you have not donated, pl. consider donating.. Hopefully a LDN

trial will make the Crabs redundant. a month's CRAB medicines cost

over a 1000$...

If you have been away on Mars..the info is reposted below.

http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/research_funding.htm

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I am not trying to sound pesimistic. But, if there

was a study done with the LDN, what is that going to

do in the future if this was found to be acceptable?

Do you all think that this drug would still be

affordable? Personally, I think it would cause the

price to inflate to unimaginable amounts. A matter of

economics. If this became acceptable, people would

want it and demand would cause the co's that make

this, inflate the prices.

Rooms like this are the way to keep information like

this available to the general public. Ddocs will

always push certian drugs. Some avonex, some copaxone,

some chemo.

I guess all I really want to point out, is to be

carefull for what you ask for.

Am I being totally ignorant to anything here?

--- aegis_on_ms <aegis_on_ms@...> wrote:

> Just wanted to remind the members that the LDN fund

> for MS is in

> existence. Hopefully, everyone who can, has made the

> 200$ donation.

>

> If you have not donated, pl. consider donating..

> Hopefully a LDN

> trial will make the Crabs redundant. a month's CRAB

> medicines cost

> over a 1000$...

>

> If you have been away on Mars..the info is reposted

> below.

>

http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/research_funding.htm

>

> A

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I don't think it would become too expensive. The reason that the Crab meds

are so expensive is because the companies hold patents on them. This gives

the creator of the product a monopoly on the product for a certain period of

time. In the case of LDN it could be produced by companies without a

patent. Therefore there would be free competition and prices would remain

low.

Unfortunately this also means that there is no incentive for a

pharmaceutical company to put out money for trials to see if it works. That

is where there are problems with our medical system. Trials only take place

for new meds that can have patents and that takes testing and money.

Companies only have an incentive to put that kind of money out there if they

are going to have a large return. That is the down side of Capitalism and

medicine.

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> I am not trying to sound pesimistic. But, if there

> was a study done with the LDN, what is that going to

> do in the future if this was found to be acceptable?

> Do you all think that this drug would still be

> affordable? Personally, I think it would cause the

> price to inflate to unimaginable amounts. A matter of

> economics. If this became acceptable, people would

> want it and demand would cause the co's that make

> this, inflate the prices.

> Rooms like this are the way to keep information like

> this available to the general public. Ddocs will

> always push certian drugs. Some avonex, some copaxone,

> some chemo.

> I guess all I really want to point out, is to be

> carefull for what you ask for.

> Am I being totally ignorant to anything here?

>

>

> --- aegis_on_ms <aegis_on_ms@...> wrote:

>

>> Just wanted to remind the members that the LDN fund

>> for MS is in

>> existence. Hopefully, everyone who can, has made the

>> 200$ donation.

>>

>> If you have not donated, pl. consider donating..

>> Hopefully a LDN

>> trial will make the Crabs redundant. a month's CRAB

>> medicines cost

>> over a 1000$...

>>

>> If you have been away on Mars..the info is reposted

>> below.

>>

> http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/research_funding.htm

>>

>> A

>>

>>

>>

>

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I definitely agree. It is a nuisance having to find an open minded

doctor, but the combination of the cost of research being passed on to

we the consumers and supply and demand would almost certainly make the

price increase drastically.

wensu baki wrote:

> I am not trying to sound pesimistic. But, if there

>was a study done with the LDN, what is that going to

>do in the future if this was found to be acceptable?

>Do you all think that this drug would still be

>affordable? Personally, I think it would cause the

>price to inflate to unimaginable amounts. A matter of

>economics. If this became acceptable, people would

>want it and demand would cause the co's that make

>this, inflate the prices.

> Rooms like this are the way to keep information like

>this available to the general public. Ddocs will

>always push certian drugs. Some avonex, some copaxone,

>some chemo.

> I guess all I really want to point out, is to be

>carefull for what you ask for.

> Am I being totally ignorant to anything here?

>

>

>--- aegis_on_ms <aegis_on_ms@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>>Just wanted to remind the members that the LDN fund

>>for MS is in

>>existence. Hopefully, everyone who can, has made the

>>200$ donation.

>>

>>If you have not donated, pl. consider donating..

>>Hopefully a LDN

>>trial will make the Crabs redundant. a month's CRAB

>>medicines cost

>>over a 1000$...

>>

>>If you have been away on Mars..the info is reposted

>>below.

>>

>>

>>

>http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/research_funding.htm

>

>

>>A

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>>

>>

>>

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Hi , that is a compelling question but besides providing formally

controlled safety & efficacy data (some users on the net may already

feel satisfied in those areas) it could lead to acceptance into the

standard of care & insurance coverage.

Additionally improved understanding of:

1) Therapeutic dose ranges (e.g. blood concentration studies)

2) Mechanism/s of action

3) Pathophysiology

4) Better treatment/s

For those who don't have insurance prescription coverage, cost of LDN

would be more of a concern.

From my post at:

low dose naltrexone/message/28644

Interesting that when I listened to the 2005 conference at:

http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/events.htm they mentioned that if LDN

were FDA approved it would likely cost exponentially more & that it

would no longer be legal for pharmacies to compound it.

However they did not mention that the 50 mg dose would still be sold &

people could of course still compound their own at enormous savings. "

Unfortunately homemade LDN may be tricky for issues mentioned in post

28644. I would not be surprised if prices for the 50 mg dose would

also increase somewhat in the US to some legal limit-speculative. In

Canada for example where price controls are strict, I would be

surprised if this would ever be significant for the 50 mg dose.

Aletha brings up good points in her reply but a " new utility patent "

may provide viable protection of intellectual property associated with

the development of LDN.

The net effect of well designed unbiased studies should be favorable

but questions like yours should continue to be asked.

Germane link:

(The Need for Trials of Low Dose Naltrexone as a Possible Therapy for

Multiple Sclerosis-Interview with Dr. Yash Agrawal, M.D., Ph.D.,

University of Iowa):

http://www.acceleratedcure.org:8080/article.pl?sid=05/01/27/1748256

Best Wishes, Josh

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> > Just wanted to remind the members that the LDN fund

> > for MS is in

> > existence. Hopefully, everyone who can, has made the

> > 200$ donation.

> >

> > If you have not donated, pl. consider donating..

> > Hopefully a LDN

> > trial will make the Crabs redundant. a month's CRAB

> > medicines cost

> > over a 1000$...

> >

> > If you have been away on Mars..the info is reposted

> > below.

> >

> http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/research_funding.htm

> >

> > A

> >

> >

> >

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I hope that you are right about the price not increasing too much, Althea,

however:

I`m in the UK, & I recently had a 3 month LDN 3mg script filled by Skip`s,

Florida; -Price $45 plus postage:

-Last year when I commenced LDN, I took my first script (for 3 months, 4.5mg

LDN) to my local pharmacy here in the UK, I was informed that it would cost

approx. $441 to get it filled!!! - & this is WITHOUT a patent or even

" official recognition " of LDN`s value!

Admittedly, a slightly larger dose, but ALMOST 10 TIMES SKIP`S PRICE!

I think it quite likely that when/if LDN becomes the recognized MS

treatment it`s price will likely go to at least as much as the present ReVia

price.............. & that would be for a dose of LDN around one tenth of

the strength of a 50mg ReVia tablet.

If the pharmas DO involve themselves in any research & development re. LDN,

I believe this will inevitably be used as a justification for a significant

price hike,

even if they don`t manage to find some way or other of justifying the

introduction

of a new patent! (- & of course, if they did, it would be all stations go!

-Here`s the new wonder drug in the same stellar price range as the CRABS!

-Price being justified by all that critically important work necessary to

find a way

of sneaking in said .................PATENT!)

Major pharmas seem to be horrendously greedy & apparently largely without

conscience:

Witness their current ( & longstanding) underhand efforts to subvert &

control or destroy the worldwide supplement market. Their policy really does

seem to be to try & takeover or destroy anything that might offer effective

competition to their obscenely expensive (though possibly ineffectual or

potentially harmful) but freshly PATENTED drugs!

-If they can`t take over/control, they attempt to

destroy.........................

I don`t think that we can count on them suddenly turning into " nice guys " !

(-Though it would be great if they were to renounce their " screw the world "

policies & extend their niceness further than the PR spin presently applied

to mask their latest manipulations!)

Ah well!............Guess I could dream on!

Gerald

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>

>> I am not trying to sound pesimistic. But, if there

>> was a study done with the LDN, what is that going to

>> do in the future if this was found to be acceptable?

>> Do you all think that this drug would still be

>> affordable? Personally, I think it would cause the

>> price to inflate to unimaginable amounts. A matter of

>> economics. If this became acceptable, people would

>> want it and demand would cause the co's that make

>> this, inflate the prices.

>> Rooms like this are the way to keep information like

>> this available to the general public. Ddocs will

>> always push certian drugs. Some avonex, some copaxone,

>> some chemo.

>> I guess all I really want to point out, is to be

>> carefull for what you ask for.

>> Am I being totally ignorant to anything here?

>>

>>

>> --- aegis_on_ms <aegis_on_ms@...> wrote:

>>

>>> Just wanted to remind the members that the LDN fund

>>> for MS is in

>>> existence. Hopefully, everyone who can, has made the

>>> 200$ donation.

>>>

>>> If you have not donated, pl. consider donating..

>>> Hopefully a LDN

>>> trial will make the Crabs redundant. a month's CRAB

>>> medicines cost

>>> over a 1000$...

>>>

>>> If you have been away on Mars..the info is reposted

>>> below.

>>>

>> http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/research_funding.htm

>>>

>>> A

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

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> Do you happen to know how much money has been collected so far and

> how much more we need to reach the $20,000 goal? I have already

> donated and hope many more here will do the same.

>

I hear SammyJo will soon post that info..A

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It is true that some people will not take ldn with out a doctor backing it up.... but they should realize that they are adults in charge of their own life.

Naltrexone already went through trials. It is an approved drug!!

lg

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The reality is that most people will not go against what the professionals say and most doctors will not prescribe it because it has not been tested specifically for the conditions that we are fighting for its use as.

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN fund

It is true that some people will not take ldn with out a doctor backing it up.... but they should realize that they are adults in charge of their own life.

Naltrexone already went through trials. It is an approved drug!!

lg

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