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Jan ... Listen to a non - housewife and establishment voice , male ,

in this next quote , speaking of democracy :

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in

England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after

all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is

always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a

democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist

dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to

the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to

tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack

of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in

any country.

Hermann Goering

On Tuesday, November 23, 2004, at 04:45 PM, lovetheworkofbk wrote:

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>> Throughout my time on this board, you've received positive

>> reinforcement for your completely hideous treatment of a wonderful

>> work. I've sat silently by, waiting.

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>> No more hon...If I sit and silently watch you misconstrue the work

>> others who come here actually think you are a shining example of it.

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> ROTFLOL ... so now you are on a holy crusade to protect the Work from

> my hideous treatment of it?

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> Yes, that's what the world needs another middle aged woman on a

> crusade. Maybe we could call up and get him to make the

> movie. Then again his movies did not prove very successful at

> removing Bush or , so perhaps we need to pick

> someone more radical for your message.

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> Jan maybe you need to pump up your language a bit, so far you have

> only called me a chair, simpleton and a dolt. You know if you are

> going to end my hideous treatment of the Work perhaps you need to

> come out with something a bit stronger. I am sure a highly realized

> being such as yourself can spice up her name calling a bit.

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> Yes, lets forget about being self-realized and go on the wonderful

> crusade of other-realization. Lets stamp out any shining examples of

> the Work and never ever become realized (I am not even sure

> what that is, but you used the term and that is good enough for me).

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> Yep, if we can get enough middle aged women to agree with us we could

> really have something going here.

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> " Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . ever! Sanity doesn't suffer,

> ever, ever! Isn't that lovely? " Byron

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Analysis ... a study of the id by the odd !

On Tuesday, November 23, 2004, at 11:41 PM, lovetheworkofbk wrote:

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>> What makes the work interesting is that I do find you to be close

>> hearted - so it's wonderful to have my buttons pushed by you and to

>> learn how to see you differently.

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>> It's the crux of what I'm going through as I really see people who

>> are Republican and for Bush as stupid greedy and lacking in

>> integrity. And your treatment of the work mirrors that for me.

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>> Lots of work for me to do and inquire here. Thanks.

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> Jan let me take off my " Work " hat for the moment and offer you a

> professional assessment of our dialog. I have an extensive background

> in both psychology and sociology.

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> You seem like a very disturbed woman. You have some serious

> unresolved issues with your mother and I suspect your father also.

> Most of your unresolved rage seems to be a manifestation of a deep

> seated " authority " problem. May I suggest that you contact a

> qualified therapist and work through your problems with him/her

> rather than inflicting this group with more of your confused

> arrogance.

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> Okay, time to put my " Work " hat back on, and stop being so other-

> realized.

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> " Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . ever! Sanity doesn't suffer,

> ever, ever! Isn't that lovely? " Byron

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yes, it does seem that as long as i believe that i have something to defend...i

will go to war

STEPHAN BAKER wrote:Jan ... Listen to a non -

housewife and establishment voice , male ,

in this next quote , speaking of democracy :

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in

England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after

all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is

always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a

democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist

dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to

the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to

tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack

of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in

any country.

Hermann Goering

On Tuesday, November 23, 2004, at 04:45 PM, lovetheworkofbk wrote:

>

>

>

>>

>>

>> Throughout my time on this board, you've received positive

>> reinforcement for your completely hideous treatment of a wonderful

>> work. I've sat silently by, waiting.

>>

>> No more hon...If I sit and silently watch you misconstrue the work

>> others who come here actually think you are a shining example of it.

>>

>

>

> ROTFLOL ... so now you are on a holy crusade to protect the Work from

> my hideous treatment of it?

>

> Yes, that's what the world needs another middle aged woman on a

> crusade. Maybe we could call up and get him to make the

> movie. Then again his movies did not prove very successful at

> removing Bush or , so perhaps we need to pick

> someone more radical for your message.

>

> Jan maybe you need to pump up your language a bit, so far you have

> only called me a chair, simpleton and a dolt. You know if you are

> going to end my hideous treatment of the Work perhaps you need to

> come out with something a bit stronger. I am sure a highly realized

> being such as yourself can spice up her name calling a bit.

>

> Yes, lets forget about being self-realized and go on the wonderful

> crusade of other-realization. Lets stamp out any shining examples of

> the Work and never ever become realized (I am not even sure

> what that is, but you used the term and that is good enough for me).

>

> Yep, if we can get enough middle aged women to agree with us we could

> really have something going here.

>

>

> " Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . ever! Sanity doesn't suffer,

> ever, ever! Isn't that lovely? " Byron

>

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> yes, it does seem that as long as i believe that i

> have something to defend...i will go to war

Yes, and as long as I believe that I have to defend

something, I won't

be free. And those threatening what I want to defend,

help me to see

that I don't need what I am defending.

Love,

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