RE: Alpha Beta symmetry quetion

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Pete:

Please describe your Alpha Beta semmetry design so I can see if I can replicate it for Infinity.

Alpha Beta symmetry quetion>>Hi Group -->>>I home training my 9 yr old son who has trouble staying focused and has >an ADHD inattentive diagnosis. He also exhibits minor tic like behaviors >off an on. I had the following questions regarding the training, and >would appreciate any input someone might have.>>The first question is on the use of the alpha beta symmetry protocol. >Pete suggested this at F3/F4. Results of all sessions so far show that >the ratios are around 1.5 (symmetry beta out) and 1.3 (alpha symmetry >out). These already seem pretty balanced to me ( at least from my >understanding of what we want to achieve)? are there general training >targets here? I noted that the Beta band on the prescribed protocol >design is reduced (15-19). I thought perhaps the slight reversal that >showed up on the assessment was cause by the 20-23Hz range beta and we >are not addressing this with this training protocol. Would it be of >value to modify the range of the beta band to include the 20-23hz? My >son also showed a lot of high beta range on the assessment as well. >Swingle Ratio was .91>>My son enjoys the training. The only obvious reaction that I have noted >is a lot of figeting and laughing both times we have tried Alpha >Coherence up at C3/C4. Is this reaction unusual?>>One final techincal question -- Pete mentioned using a FIR filter for >Coherence training. The TLC design I have uses IIR ? should I change this?>>Thanks for all of your help. I read everyone's posts everyday, and am >learning alot through all of the discussions.>>theresa>>>>> >

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Pete- The A/B symmetry moves the beta--does the A/B balance protocol increase beta on the left? This email and any attachments may contain confidential information and it is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you should destroy this message and notify the sender by reply email. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction or transmission of this email is strictly prohibited.

--------- Alpha Beta symmetry quetion>>Hi Group -->

>>I home training my 9 yr old son who has trouble staying focused and has >an ADHD inattentive diagnosis. He also exhibits minor tic like behaviors >off an on. I had the following questions regarding the training, and >would appreciate any input someone might have.>>The first question is on the use of the alpha beta symmetry protocol. >Pete suggested this at F3/F4. Results of all sessions so far show that >the ratios are around 1.5 (symmetry beta out) and 1.3 (alpha symmetry >out). These already seem pretty balanced to me ( at least from my >understanding of what we want to achieve)? are there general training >targets here? I noted that the Beta band on the prescribed protocol >design is reduced (15-19). I thought perhaps the slight reversal that >showed up on the assessment was cause by the 20-23Hz range beta and we >are not addressing this with this training protocol. Would i

t be of >value to modify the range of the beta band to include the 20-23hz? My >son also showed a lot of high beta range on the assessment as well. >Swingle Ratio was .91>>My son enjoys the training. The only obvious reaction that I have noted >is a lot of figeting and laughing both times we have tried Alpha >Coherence up at C3/C4. Is this reaction unusual?>>One final techincal question -- Pete mentioned using a FIR filter for >Coherence training. The TLC design I have uses IIR ? should I change this?>>Thanks for all of your help. I read everyone's posts everyday, and am >learning alot through all of the discussions.>>theresa>>>>> >

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2 channels

Montage is generally F3/A1/g/F4/A2 (linked ears)

Beta channel 1 (left hemisphere)/Beta channel 2: feedback when greater than 1.1

Alpha channel 2/alpha channel 1: feedback 2 when greater than 1.1

When both signals are within range a third feedback is givenBoth bands also have an upper limit of around 1.5-2.0, which blocks feedback when the ratios go excessively high.Pete

Alpha Beta symmetry quetion>>Hi Group -->>>I home training my 9 yr old son who has trouble staying focused and has >an ADHD inattentive diagnosis. He also exhibits minor tic like behaviors >off an on. I had the following questions regarding the training, and >would appreciate any input someone might have.>>The first question is on the use of the alpha beta symmetry protocol. >Pete suggested this at F3/F4. Results of all sessions so far show that >the ratios are around 1.5 (symmetry beta out) and 1.3 (alpha symmetry >out). These already seem pretty balanced to me ( at least from my >understanding of what we want to achieve)? are there general training >targets here? I noted that the Beta band on the prescribed protocol >design is reduced (15-19). I thought perhaps the slight reversal that >showed up on the assessment was cause by the 20-23Hz range beta and we >are not addressing this with this training protocol. Would it be of >value to modify the range of the beta band to include the 20-23hz? My >son also showed a lot of high beta range on the assessment as well. >Swingle Ratio was .91>>My son enjoys the training. The only obvious reaction that I have noted >is a lot of figeting and laughing both times we have tried Alpha >Coherence up at C3/C4. Is this reaction unusual?>>One final techincal question -- Pete mentioned using a FIR filter for >Coherence training. The TLC design I have uses IIR ? should I change this?>>Thanks for all of your help. I read everyone's posts everyday, and am >learning alot through all of the discussions.>>theresa>>>>> >

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Both do roughly the same thing: they reinforce changes in relationship between beta left (higher) and right and between alpha right (higher) and left. Neither side is trained up or down.

Pete

Re: Alpha Beta symmetry quetion

Pete- The A/B symmetry moves the beta--does the A/B balance protocol increase beta on the left? This email and any attachments may contain confidential information and it is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you should destroy this message and notify the sender by reply email. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction or transmission of this email is strictly prohibited.

--------- Alpha Beta symmetry quetion>>Hi Group --> >>I home training my 9 yr old son who has trouble staying focused and has >an ADHD inattentive diagnosis. He also exhibits minor tic like behaviors >off an on. I had the following questions regarding the training, and >would appreciate any input someone might have.>>The first question is on the use of the alpha beta symmetry protocol. >Pete suggested this at F3/F4. Results of all sessions so far show that >the ratios are around 1.5 (symmetry beta out) and 1.3 (alpha symmetry >out). These already seem pretty balanced to me ( at least from my >understanding of what we want to achieve)? are there general training >targets here? I noted that the Beta band on the prescribed protocol >design is reduced (15-19). I thought perhaps the slight reversal that >showed up on the assessment was cause by the 20-23Hz range beta and we >are not addressing this with this training protocol. Would i t be of >value to modify the range of the beta band to include the 20-23hz? My >son also showed a lot of high beta range on the assessment as well. >Swingle Ratio was .91>>My son enjoys the training. The only obvious reaction that I have noted >is a lot of figeting and laughing both times we have tried Alpha >Coherence up at C3/C4. Is this reaction unusual?>>One final techincal question -- Pete mentioned using a FIR filter for >Coherence training. The TLC design I have uses IIR ? should I change this?>>Thanks for all of your help. I read everyone's posts everyday, and am >learning alot through all of the discussions.>>theresa>>>>> >

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Pete,

In the design note of Alpha Beta symmetry design the references are both Cz. Have you changed them to Linked A1 and A2?

Jo Sato

Alpha Beta symmetry quetion>>Hi Group -->>>I home training my 9 yr old son who has trouble staying focused and has >an ADHD inattentive diagnosis. He also exhibits minor tic like behaviors >off an on. I had the following questions regarding the training, and >would appreciate any input someone might have.>>The first question is on the use of the alpha beta symmetry protocol. >Pete suggested this at F3/F4. Results of all sessions so far show that >the ratios are around 1.5 (symmetry beta out) and 1.3 (alpha symmetry >out). These already seem pretty balanced to me ( at least from my >understanding of what we want to achieve)? are there general training >targets here? I noted that the Beta band on the prescribed protocol >design is reduced (15-19). I thought perhaps the slight reversal that >showed up on the assessment was cause by the 20-23Hz range beta and we >are not addressing this with this training prot ocol. Would it be of >value to modify the range of the beta band to include the 20-23hz? My >son also showed a lot of high beta range on the assessment as well. >Swingle Ratio was .91>>My son enjoys the training. The only obvious reaction that I have noted >is a lot of figeting and laughing both times we have tried Alpha >Coherence up at C3/C4. Is this reaction unusual?>>One final techincal question -- Pete mentioned using a FIR filter for >Coherence training. The TLC design I have uses IIR ? should I change this?>>Thanks for all of your help. I read everyone's posts everyday, and am >learning alot through all of the discussions.>>theresa>>>>> >

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Thanks, Pete:

Is this Eyes O or C? Are feedbacks sound?

I don't now know how to build in an upper limit to block feedback when exceeded. I'll thrash around and see what I can find.

Alpha Beta symmetry quetion>>Hi Group -->trainer.com 305/321-1595 pvdadpmindspring

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I usually do the symmetry eyes closed or eyes open, see which works best, then have the client try to carry the most successful state into the other one.

I can't help you with Infiniti on the dual threshold; not sure how that is done. I believe Francois has been working on a version of this protocol.Pete

Alpha Beta symmetry quetion>>Hi Group -->trainer.com 305/321-1595 pvdadpmindspring

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Jo,

Yes. This grew out of a discussion a couple months ago on the group. some clients tend to get a little obsessive when he training goes over the cingulate as it does when Cz reference is used.

Pete

Alpha Beta symmetry quetion>>Hi Group -->>>I home training my 9 yr old son who has trouble staying focused and has >an ADHD inattentive diagnosis. He also exhibits minor tic like behaviors >off an on. I had the following questions regarding the training, and >would appreciate any input someone might have.>>The first question is on the use of the alpha beta symmetry protocol. >Pete suggested this at F3/F4. Results of all sessions so far show that >the ratios are around 1.5 (symmetry beta out) and 1.3 (alpha symmetry >out). These already seem pretty balanced to me ( at least from my >understanding of what we want to achieve)? are there general training >targets here? I noted that the Beta band on the prescribed protocol >design is reduced (15-19). I thought perhaps the slight reversal that >showed up on the assessment was cause by the 20-23Hz range beta and we >are not addressing this with this training prot ocol. Would it be of >value to modify the range of the beta band to include the 20-23hz? My >son also showed a lot of high beta range on the assessment as well. >Swingle Ratio was .91>>My son enjoys the training. The only obvious reaction that I have noted >is a lot of figeting and laughing both times we have tried Alpha >Coherence up at C3/C4. Is this reaction unusual?>>One final techincal question -- Pete mentioned using a FIR filter for >Coherence training. The TLC design I have uses IIR ? should I change this?>>Thanks for all of your help. I read everyone's posts everyday, and am >learning alot through all of the discussions.>>theresa>>>>> >

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Pete- this kind of info would be great to include in the notes section of the design--would you be willing to include this type of info in your designs? Thanks!

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;>>I home training my 9 yr old son who has trouble staying focused and has >an ADHD inattentive diagnosis. He also exhibits minor tic like behaviors >off an on. I had the following questions regarding the training, and >would appreciate any input someone might have.>>The first question is on the use of the alpha beta symmetry protocol. >Pete suggested this at F3/F4. Results of all sessions so far show that >the ratios are around 1.5 (symmetry beta out) and 1.3 (alpha symmetry >out). These already seem pretty balanced to me ( at least from my >understanding of what we want to achieve)? are there general training >targets here? I noted that the Beta band on the prescribed protocol >design is reduced (15-19). I thought perhaps the slight reversal that >showed up on the assessment was cause by the 20-23Hz range beta and we >are not addressing this with this training prot ocol. Would

it be of >value to modify the range of the beta band to include the 20-23hz? My >son also showed a lot of high beta range on the assessment as well. >Swingle Ratio was .91>>My son enjoys the training. The only obvious reaction that I have noted >is a lot of figeting and laughing both times we have tried Alpha >Coherence up at C3/C4. Is this reaction unusual?>>One final techincal question -- Pete mentioned using a FIR filter for >Coherence training. The TLC design I have uses IIR ? should I change this?>>Thanks for all of your help. I read everyone's posts everyday, and am >learning alot through all of the discussions.>>theresa>>>>> >

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Pete:

I believe I have figured out how to replicate symmetry the screen for Infinity.

Now, (everybody knows this but me) what client complaint and/or TLC assessment information would prompt you to use this protocal? What results would I look for?

Jim

Alpha Beta symmetry quetion>>Hi Group -->

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Jim,

Frontal imbalance of alpha and/or beta. If alpha is higher or about the same on the left (F3) and the right (F4), then dysthymia or helpless/hopeless depression may be an issue for the client--or at least a predisposition to move in that direction. If beta is higher or about the same on the right as on the left, then agitated depression, irritability, anxiety, perhaps temper control issues will appear.If you find a frontal reversal, the next question is whether the problem is excessive alpha or beta on the high side or low levels on the low side. If the levels are relatively in the desired range (betas around 14%, alpha theta ratios EC around 1.0), then the alpha beta symmetry protocol can be very helpful. If, on the other hand, there are, for example, high beta levels across the front, and higher on the right, probably better to train it down there. The symmetry protocol in that case would be like re-arranging furniture in a burning house.

Pete

Alpha Beta symmetry quetion>>Hi Group --> Van Deusen

16246 SW 92nd Ave, Miami, FL 33157

http://www.brain-trainer.com

305/321-1595

pvdadpmindspring

Van Deusen

16246 SW 92nd Ave, Miami, FL 33157

http://www.brain-trainer.com

305/321-1595

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Yes, it would be very nice to include this information, though it already takes longer for me to write the design notes than it does to do the design in most cases. Some of the newer designs do have design notes with an effort to explain them a bit more, though I have focused primarily on what the design is set to train and what the feedback environment is--as well as some simple client and trainer instructions. Trying to get into placements and potential responses to training is probably beyond what I will try to do.Pete

RE: Alpha Beta symmetry quetion

Pete- this kind of info would be great to include in the notes section of the design--would you be willing to include this type of info in your designs? Thanks!

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--------- Alpha Beta symmetry quetion>>Hi Group --> ;>>I home training my 9 yr old son who has trouble staying focused and has >an ADHD inattentive diagnosis. He also exhibits minor tic like behaviors >off an on. I had the following questions regarding the training, and >would appreciate any input someone might have.>>The first question is on the use of the alpha beta symmetry protocol. >Pete suggested this at F3/F4. Results of all sessions so far show that >the ratios are around 1.5 (symmetry beta out) and 1.3 (alpha symmetry >out). These already seem pretty balanced to me ( at least from my >understanding of what we want to achieve)? are there general training >targets here? I noted that the Beta band on the prescribed protocol >design is reduced (15-19). I thought perhaps the slight reversal that >showed up on the assessment was cause by the 20-23Hz range beta and we >are not addressing this with this training prot ocol. Would it be of >value to modify the range of the beta band to include the 20-23hz? My >son also showed a lot of high beta range on the assessment as well. >Swingle Ratio was .91>>My son enjoys the training. The only obvious reaction that I have noted >is a lot of figeting and laughing both times we have tried Alpha >Coherence up at C3/C4. Is this reaction unusual?>>One final techincal question -- Pete mentioned using a FIR filter for >Coherence training. The TLC design I have uses IIR ? should I change this?>>Thanks for all of your help. I read everyone's posts everyday, and am >learning alot through all of the discussions.>>theresa>>>>> >