RE: NFP resources and general info

__________________________________________________

February 1, 2006

My guess is, " birth control " , in the academic medical world, is synonymous with

" family planning " . I sympathize with your beef, however. I feel the same way

about even orthodox Catholics describing NFP as distinct from " artificial " birth

control. The problem with birth control isn't the fact that it's

" artificial " ...it's the attempt to take " control " .

Mike

>

> Date: 2006/02/01 Wed PM 08:17:21 EST

> To: <nfpprofessionals >

> Subject: RE: NFP resources and general info

>

> Am I ignorant on this or something, but why is NFP linked to birth control?

> It's entirely not the same thing, and I am a bit confused.

>

> _____

>

> From: nfpprofessionals

> [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of alicia

> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:23 PM

> To: nfpprofessionals

> Subject: Re: NFP resources and general info

>

> After the handout is published, it will be available to anyone in the

> Journal - and it will have permission to copy for pt use as part of it.

>

> I would however request that people order a copy of that issue, if at all

> possible. That way the editors will realize that there is a serious need

> for this information to be made available.

>

> Most CNMs will at least mention NFP methods, but most do not endorse them

> due to several factors (including the indoctrination that we get in our

> training programs about how modern contraception is the cornerstone of

> women's health care).

>

> , congratulations on getting that assignment! If you can send me a copy

> ahead of time, I will ask one of our medical translators to put it into

> Spanish - and maybe the JNMWH will publish it in two languages! I REALLY

> need NFP info in espanol, all I currently have is a piece of c**p from

> Freda' Perinatal Patient Education and the only slightly better info sheet

> from the AAFP site.

>

> alicia

>

> Re: NFP resources and general info

>

> :

>

> Can we have a copy when you are done? I get asked that question quite a bit

> and we only have a smattering of material on 2 of the methods. Comparisons

> would be lovely.

>

> Rhonda Horner-Bohaty

>

> Nebraska Catholic Conference

>

> NFP resources and general info

>

> Hi All,

>

> I have been asked to submit a patient information

> sheet about NFP to the Journal of Midwifery & Women's

> Health.

>

> I have a sheet that I have used for residents and

> others: it has the Primary NFP methods used, the

> general but brief gist of what parameters are used for

> the method, requirements if any (IE cycle beads

> require regular cycles between 26-32 days), and

> general contact information in the way of internet

> sites for each specific Model.

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions of what should be

> included other than those things?

>

> I do have a general intro, ie benefits/reasons for

> using natural methods. I just need to tweak the format

> a little.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Sandrock, CNM

>

> Creighton Model Fertility Care System

>

> Nurse-Midwife/Practitioner Intern

>

> my online bookstore...

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

February 1, 2006

You may want to emphasize NFP's use for both achieving and avoiding pregnancy

and how fertility specialists use at least a crude form of it as an initial

approach to most infertility issues.

Mike

>

> Date: 2006/02/01 Wed PM 04:02:21 EST

> To: nfpprofessionals

> Subject: NFP resources and general info

>

> Hi All,

>

> I have been asked to submit a patient information

> sheet about NFP to the Journal of Midwifery & Women's

> Health.

>

> I have a sheet that I have used for residents and

> others: it has the Primary NFP methods used, the

> general but brief gist of what parameters are used for

> the method, requirements if any (IE cycle beads

> require regular cycles between 26-32 days), and

> general contact information in the way of internet

> sites for each specific Model.

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions of what should be

> included other than those things?

>

> I do have a general intro, ie benefits/reasons for

> using natural methods. I just need to tweak the format

> a little.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Sandrock, CNM

>

> Creighton Model Fertility Care System

>

> Nurse-Midwife/Practitioner Intern

>

> my online bookstore...

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

February 2, 2006

If a couple has serious reason to avoid a pregnancy, how can ecological breastfeeding alone asssit them? Don't they deserve "systematic NFP" as well so as to recognize the signs of ovulation prior to the first menses?

February 2, 2006

Mike (and list),

I agree that “artificial” isn’t

the main issue.

I’m not sure that “control”

is either, though. For instance –

the Catechism of the Catholic Church speaks

of “regulation of procreation” (no. 2368) and “birth

regulation” (2370). Is “regulation”

so different from “control”?

Re: NFP resources

and general info

>

> :

>

> Can we have a copy when you are done? I

get asked that question quite a bit

> and we only have a smattering of material on

2 of the methods. Comparisons

> would be lovely.

>

> Rhonda Horner-Bohaty

>

> Nebraska Catholic Conference

>

> NFP resources and

general info

>

> Hi All,

>

> I have been asked to submit a patient

information

> sheet about NFP to the Journal of Midwifery

& Women's

> Health.

>

> I have a sheet that I have used for residents

and

> others: it has the Primary NFP methods used,

the

> general but brief gist of what parameters are

used for

> the method, requirements if any (IE cycle

beads

> require regular cycles between 26-32 days),

and

> general contact information in the way of

internet

> sites for each specific Model.

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions of what

should be

> included other than those things?

>

> I do have a general intro, ie

benefits/reasons for

> using natural methods. I just need to tweak

the format

> a little.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Sandrock, CNM

>

> Creighton Model Fertility Care System

>

> Nurse-Midwife/Practitioner Intern

>

> my online bookstore...

>

>

__________________________________________________

>

February 2, 2006

In the discussion of February 1 and early on Feb 2 about natural family planning, there was a glaring omission. There was no reference to ecological breastfeeding, a form of baby-care that provides many parents with all the spacing they want between babies. Any description of natural family planning that does not take into account God's own plan for naturally spacing babies is seriously incomplete.

There are two methods of natural family planning: 1) ecological breastfeeding and 2) systematic NFP. The former is based on mother-baby togetherness and frequent suckling and does not require periodic abstinence. The latter is based upon chaste periodic abstinence during the fertile time. All the debates about the best ways of determining the fertile time are simply about the best system for applying the method of periodic abstinence.

As far as the term "birth control" is concerned, in secularized pro-abortion communities, birth control entails abortion as well as contraception and natural forms of conception avoidance. Sometimes it is necessary or helpful to explain that systematic nfp is a form of birth control that involves self-control.

Kippley

NFP resources and general info

Hi All,I have been asked to submit a patient informationsheet about NFP to the Journal of Midwifery & Women'sHealth.I have a sheet that I have used for residents andothers: it has the Primary NFP methods used, thegeneral but brief gist of what parameters are used forthe method, requirements if any (IE cycle beadsrequire regular cycles between 26-32 days), andgeneral contact information in the way of internetsites for each specific Model. Does anyone have any suggestions of what should beincluded other than those things?I do have a general intro, ie benefits/reasons forusing natural methods. I just need to tweak the formata little.Thanks! Sandrock, CNMCreighton Model Fertility Care SystemNurse-Midwife/Practitioner Internmy online bookstore...http://familyfriendlybooksetc.spreadtheword.com__________________________________________________

February 2, 2006

I'm all for including effectiveness, but please be aware that CrM rates their unplanned pregnancies differently from the rest of the NFP community. They do not recognize "informed choice" pregnancies, which used to be called user-related. According to their protocol, any pregnancy incurred by someone who has been trained for 3 months and has intercourse on a day of known fertility is categorized under achieving-related behavior. This eliminates all but teaching related (mistaken interpretation) and leaves essentially only method related pregnancies which are minimal in all systems. This is different from evaluating motivation, as do the terms Method-related, Informed choice, teaching related, unable to categorize, which we use. The most recent NSFG categorizes unplanned pregnancies into perfect use (failure) and imperfect use (failure) although they now ask if the pregnancy was mistimed or unwanted....

Hanna Klaus, M.D.

Natural Family Planning Center of Wash. D.C. and Teen STAR Program

8514 Bradmoor Drive

Bethesda, MD 20817-3810

Tel. , ®

hannaklaus@..., hklaus@...

NFP resources and general infoHi All,I have been asked to submit a patient informationsheet about NFP to the Journal of Midwifery & Women'sHealth.I have a sheet that I have used for residents andothers: it has the Primary NFP methods used, thegeneral but brief gist of what parameters are used forthe method, requirements if any (IE cycle beadsrequire regular cycles between 26-32 days), andgeneral contact information in the way of internetsites for each specific Model. Does anyone have any suggestions of what should beincluded other than those things?I do have a general intro, ie benefits/reasons forusing natural methods. I just need to tweak the formata little.Thanks! Sandrock, CNMCreighton Model Fertility Care SystemNurse-Midwife/Practitioner Internmy online bookstore...http://familyfriendlybooksetc.spreadtheword.com__________________________________________________

February 2, 2006

I have to disagree with Mike, one can , and is invited, to take control of one's fertility, but the means are different. The technological means, also called artificial, attempt to separate fertility out of the body of one or both partners, while the natural means recognize when fertility is present or not, and respect it. Be aware also that the WHO is including withdrawal under "natural methods" because it uses no "artificial" means.

Hanna Klaus, M.D.

Natural Family Planning Center of Wash. D.C. and Teen STAR Program

8514 Bradmoor Drive

Bethesda, MD 20817-3810

Tel. , ®

hannaklaus@..., hklaus@...

NFP resources and general info> > > > Hi All,> > I have been asked to submit a patient information> sheet about NFP to the Journal of Midwifery & Women's> Health.> > I have a sheet that I have used for residents and> others: it has the Primary NFP methods used, the> general but brief gist of what parameters are used for> the method, requirements if any (IE cycle beads> require regular cycles between 26-32 days), and> general contact information in the way of internet> sites for each specific Model. > > Does anyone have any suggestions of what should be> included other than those things?> > I do have a general intro, ie benefits/reasons for> using natural methods. I just need to tweak the format> a little.> > Thanks!> > > Sandrock, CNM> > Creighton Model Fertility Care System> > Nurse-Midwife/Practitioner Intern> > my online bookstore...> > http://familyfriendlybooksetc.spreadtheword.com> > > > > > __________________________________________________>

February 2, 2006

I spent time on the phone recently with a

gentleman who called our organization to inquire about the effectiveness of a

variety of what I will call “unnatural” behaviors he engages in with

spouse to avoid pregnancy, withdrawal being one, but only one, of the

behaviors. He was anxious not to achieve pregnancy, his wife did not want to go

on hormones, and he did not like condoms, and so their marital behavior was a

myriad of behaviors that might be classified as “natural” family

planning if the absence of barriers, drugs, and devices is the definition of

natural, but were anything but “natural”. It was an interesting

experience to open his eyes to the fact that ALL he and his wife had to do was

learn to understand WHEN they were fertile, and they were freed from resorting

to all these extremes to avoid a pregnancy and could partake in the act,

NATURALLY, the way it was intended. He was fascinated, had never heard this

before, and pursuing instruction in his area.

I have always found the term “natural”

in need of definition, as it implies so many things, but I think is best when

explained as the way things are meant to be! ---“doing what comes

naturally!” And sad to see the extremes people will go to, whether it be accepting

serious side effects of meds, surgery, or extreme (or frustrating) behaviors,

when ALL they have to do is know their bodies and learn the design!

Preaching to the choir, I know……..

Sheila St.

Executive Director

California Association of Natural Family Planning

1217 Tyler St.

Salinas, Ca. 93906

1-877-33-CANFP

www.canfp.org

From: nfpprofessionals [mailto:nfpprofessionals ] On Behalf Of hannaklaus@...

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006

8:33 AM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject: Re: RE:

NFP resources and general info

I have to disagree with Mike, one can

, and is invited, to take control of one's fertility, but the means

are different. The technological means, also called artificial,

attempt to separate fertility out of the body of one or both partners,

while the natural means recognize when fertility is present or not, and respect

it. Be aware also that the WHO is including withdrawal under

" natural methods " because it uses no " artificial "

means.

Hanna Klaus, M.D.

Natural Family Planning Center of Wash. D.C. and Teen STAR Program

8514 Bradmoor Drive

Bethesda,

MD 20817-3810

Tel. , ®

hannaklaus@...,

hklaus@...

NFP resources and

general info

>

> Hi All,

>

> I have been asked to submit a patient

information

> sheet about NFP to the Journal of Midwifery

& Women's

> Health.

>

> I have a sheet that I have used for residents

and

> others: it has the Primary NFP methods used,

the

> general but brief gist of what parameters are

used for

> the method, requirements if any (IE cycle

beads

> require regular cycles between 26-32 days),

and

> general contact information in the way of

internet

> sites for each specific Model.

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions of what should

be

> included other than those things?

>

> I do have a general intro, ie

benefits/reasons for

> using natura l methods. I just need to tweak

the format

> a little.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Sandrock, CNM

>

> Creighton Model Fertility Care System

>

> Nurse-Midwife/Practitioner Intern

>

> my online bookstore...

>

>

__________________________________________________

>

February 2, 2006

I do not disagree. What I was questioning is how "ecological breastfeeding'" helps that couple to know when there fertility returns prior to their first menses? I said nothing about the immoral chain of perversions that you listed. I'm sorry you assumed this to be the case.

<<It's the responsibility of NFP teachers who want to help couples to live virtuously to clarify that all of these actions are variations of contraceptive behaviors and are immoral.>>

Agreed, when this is the case. It would be wrong to presume these behaviors and unjust.

February 2, 2006

Of course. My point is that there are two methods of NFP, both EBF and systematic NFP, and they are complementary. The teaching of NFP should be inclusive, not exclusive. My wife has recently heard from women who experienced the return of menses between 17 and 20 months pp. If those couples need more spacing, they can use one of the forms of systematic NFP. Other couples may use systematic NFP at that point simply to identify when their next pregnancy occurs for purposes of accuracy in estimating the expected date of childbirth. And many will use the observations of systematic NFP to detect the return of fertility before they experience their first postpartum menses.

-- Kippley

Re: NFP resources and general info

If a couple has serious reason to avoid a pregnancy, how can ecological breastfeeding alone asssit them? Don't they deserve "systematic NFP" as well so as to recognize the signs of ovulation prior to the first menses?

February 2, 2006

Sorry to disagree, but knowing the fertile time is not ALL a couple need to do to avoid pregnancy in a moral way. They ALSO need to abstain from not only normal sexual intercourse but also from withdrawal, mutual and solitary masturbation, oral sodomy, and some other variants designed to achieve orgasmic relief without normally completed sexual union, and that's the difficulty some or most find with systematic NFP. With over 50% of teenagers aged 15-19 reporting that they have experienced oral sodomy, NFP teachers should be well aware that some of their engaged and married couples have engaged in these behaviors. Some may be repentant, some may be confused, and some may think this is a convenient way to avoid abstinence as well as avoiding hormones and barrier methods. It's the responsibility of NFP teachers who want to help couples to live virtuously to clarify that all of these actions are variations of contraceptive behaviors and are immoral.

-- Kippley

NFP resources and general info> > > > Hi All,> > I have been asked to submit a patient information> sheet about NFP to the Journal of Midwifery & Women's> Health.> > I have a sheet that I have used for residents and> others: it has the Primary NFP methods used, the> general but brief gist of what parameters are used for> the method, requirements if any (IE cycle beads> require regular cycles between 26-32 days), and> general contact information in the way of internet> sites for each specific Model. > > Does anyone have any suggestions of what should be> included other than those things?> > I do have a general intro, ie benefits/reasons for> using natura l methods. I just need to tweak the format> a little.> > Thanks!> > > Sandrock, CNM> > Creighton Model Fertility Care System> > Nurse-Midwife/Practitioner Intern> > my online bookstore...> > http://familyfriendlybooksetc.spreadtheword.com> > > > > > __________________________________________________>

February 3, 2006

Thanks for the input.

I do have a few resources, and have been able to

preview an article on a natural method of family

planning that will be in the issue.

Do any of you have readily available, a list of

references for recent studies of effectiveness ??

I have a couple, but more than one pair of eyes is

always better in my opinion.

I plan to quote the effectiveness rate next to the

Name of the Method, and will be including a web

address for the official organization affiliated with

it.

On that note, should I be including the WOOMB address

or another for the Billings Method?

As said, when it is done, the sheet will be

available to the general public for copying. (My name

won't even appear on it). I believe the planned

publication date is this fall.

Another note, I will include a sentence or two that

references culture and faith generally, but it will

not be specific, nor will it compare and contrast with

hormonal and barrier contraception.

(though I could do that in another venue!!)

Sandrock, CNM

Creighton Model Fertility Care System

Nurse-Midwife/Practitioner Intern

my online bookstore...

www.familyplanning.net/statistics.htm

__________________________________________________

February 3, 2006

Family of the Americas stats, many studies, many countries, many

journals. Listed in a chart.

Hope this helps,

Re: NFP resources and general info

Thanks for the input.

I do have a few resources, and have been able to

preview an article on a natural method of family

planning that will be in the issue.

Do any of you have readily available, a list of

references for recent studies of effectiveness ??

I have a couple, but more than one pair of eyes is

always better in my opinion.

I plan to quote the effectiveness rate next to the

Name of the Method, and will be including a web

address for the official organization affiliated with

it.

On that note, should I be including the WOOMB address

or another for the Billings Method?

As said, when it is done, the sheet will be

available to the general public for copying. (My name

won't even appear on it). I believe the planned

publication date is this fall.

Another note, I will include a sentence or two that

references culture and faith generally, but it will

not be specific, nor will it compare and contrast with

hormonal and barrier contraception.

(though I could do that in another venue!!)

Sandrock, CNM

Creighton Model Fertility Care System

Nurse-Midwife/Practitioner Intern

my online bookstore...

__________________________________________________

February 3, 2006

FAM list seems to be a bit dated - i.e., ends in 1990.

See following list of studies from 1998 on:

Arevalo, M., Jennings, V., and Sinai, I. Efficacy of a new method of

family planning: the Standard Day Method. Contraception. 65 (2002):

333-338.

Arevalo M, Jennings V, Nikula M, Sinai I. Efficacy of the new TwoDay

Method of family planning. Fertility and Sterility. 2004;82:885-892.

Bonnar, J., Flynn, A., & Freundl, G., et al. Personal hormone monitoring

for contraception. The British Journal of Family Planning. 24

(1999):128-134.

Burkhart, M.C., de Mazariegos, L., Salazar, S., & Lamprecht, V.M.

Effectiveness of a Standard-Rule method of Calendar Rhythm among Mayan

couples in Guatemala. International Family Planning Perspectives. 26

(August, 2000):131-136.

European Natural Family Planning Study Groups. European Multicenter

Study of Natural Family Planning (1989-1995): Efficacy and Drop-out.

Advances in Contraception. 15(1999):69-83.

-Hermann P, Gnoth C, Baure S, Strowitski T, Freundl G.

Determination of the fertile window: reproductive competence of women -

European cycle databases. Gynecology Endocrinology, 2005; 20: 305-312.

Fruendl, G., -Hermann, P., & Godehardt, E., et al. Retrospective

clinical trial of contraceptive effectiveness of the electronic

fertility indicator Ladycomp/Babycomp. Advances in Contraception 14

(1998):97-108.

Grimes DA, Gallo MF, Grigorieva V, Nanda K, Schulz KF. Fertility

awareness-based methods for contraception: systematic review of

randomized controlled trials. Contraception, 2005;72:85-90.

Grimes DA, Gallo MF, Grigorieva V, Nanda K, Schulz KF. Fertility

awareness-based methods for contraception. Cochrane Database Systematic

Review, 2004 Oct 18;(4):CD004860. Review. PMID: 15495128

Hilgers, T., & Stanford, J. Creighton model naproeducation technology

for avoiding pregnancy - use effectiveness. The Journal of Reproductive

Medicine. 43 (1998) 495-502.

, M.P. & Stanford, J.B. Pregnancy probabilities during use of the

Creighton Model FertilityCareTM system. Archives of Family Medicine 8

September/October, 1999):391-402.

Reviews of most of these studies can be found in issues of CMR.

J. Fehring

Professor

Marquette University

Re: NFP resources and general info

Thanks for the input.

I do have a few resources, and have been able to

preview an article on a natural method of family

planning that will be in the issue.

Do any of you have readily available, a list of

references for recent studies of effectiveness ??

I have a couple, but more than one pair of eyes is

always better in my opinion.

I plan to quote the effectiveness rate next to the

Name of the Method, and will be including a web

address for the official organization affiliated with

it.

On that note, should I be including the WOOMB address

or another for the Billings Method?

As said, when it is done, the sheet will be

available to the general public for copying. (My name

won't even appear on it). I believe the planned

publication date is this fall.

Another note, I will include a sentence or two that

references culture and faith generally, but it will

not be specific, nor will it compare and contrast with

hormonal and barrier contraception.

(though I could do that in another venue!!)

Sandrock, CNM

Creighton Model Fertility Care System

Nurse-Midwife/Practitioner Intern

my online bookstore...

__________________________________________________

February 3, 2006

--- BOMA - USA wrote:

> Would you consider letting each methodology review

> what you

> are writing about the specific method? In our case,

> so often the

> Billings Method is misrepresented when the

> information does not

> come from us or from the Drs. Billings or their

> office in Australia.

>

> Sue Ek

> BOMA-USA

I am just writing briefly- a one or two " liner " . There

is a March 1st deadline and no real guarantee that

what I write will be published (as I was just emailed

from the editor of the magazine to re-inforce that

fact)

For the Billings Ovulation Method:

Who may use it: Any female from puberty to menopause.

Parameters used:

Keeping track of cervical mucus discharge and noting

if a sensation of lubrication is present.

Again, just the gist of things

Sandrock, CNM

Creighton Model Fertility Care System

Nurse-Midwife/Practitioner Intern

my online bookstore...

__________________________________________________

February 3, 2006

Dr Fehring,

Could not obtain the Cochrane Database review from 2004, on the Cochrane

site.

The updated 2006 review of FAMs concludes " studies are so poor that

conclusions about method effectiveness cannot be made " after looking at

only 3 studies.

Can I assume the 2004 review was more in depth?

, MD

Shenandoah Valley FPR

Front Royal, VA

Re: NFP resources and general info

Thanks for the input.

I do have a few resources, and have been able to

preview an article on a natural method of family

planning that will be in the issue.

Do any of you have readily available, a list of

references for recent studies of effectiveness ??

I have a couple, but more than one pair of eyes is

always better in my opinion.

I plan to quote the effectiveness rate next to the

Name of the Method, and will be including a web

address for the official organization affiliated with

it.

On that note, should I be including the WOOMB address

or another for the Billings Method?

As said, when it is done, the sheet will be

available to the general public for copying. (My name

won't even appear on it). I believe the planned

publication date is this fall.

Another note, I will include a sentence or two that

references culture and faith generally, but it will

not be specific, nor will it compare and contrast with

hormonal and barrier contraception.

(though I could do that in another venue!!)

Sandrock, CNM

Creighton Model Fertility Care System

Nurse-Midwife/Practitioner Intern

my online bookstore...

__________________________________________________

February 3, 2006

Dr. :

The 2005 Grimes reveiw in the journal Contraception is essentially the same as

the Cochrane Database review. Both reviews are based on " randomized control

trials " (RCT) of FAM/NFP effectiveness studies. The reason for the lack of

depth is that there has been only 3 RCT of NFP effectiveness published -- and

one was comparing the Today sponge with or without FAM.

I believe the review essentially says the studies were not conducted very well

-- especially with the high drop out rates of participants. I believe that they

base the effectiveness of NFP on the 1983 WHO 5 country study of the ovulation

method and the Trussell reanalysis of the data.

Eventhough the authors of the reviews were looking only for RCT of NFP studies,

I do wonder why they ignore all of the other non-RCT efficacy studies. Maybe

because there is a lot of bias (intentional or not) in the results? However, I

do think that these two reviews have cast a shadow of doubt about the

effectiveness of NFP methods, especially in academic medicine. See further

comments in the February 2006 issue of Ethics and Medics.

J. Fehring

Professor of Nursing

Marquette University

________________________________

From: nfpprofessionals on behalf of ,

Sent: Fri 2/3/2006 5:38 PM

To: nfpprofessionals

Subject: RE: NFP resources and general info

Dr Fehring,

Could not obtain the Cochrane Database review from 2004, on the Cochrane

site.

The updated 2006 review of FAMs concludes " studies are so poor that

conclusions about method effectiveness cannot be made " after looking at

only 3 studies.

Can I assume the 2004 review was more in depth?

, MD

Shenandoah Valley FPR

Front Royal, VA

Re: NFP resources and general info

Thanks for the input.

I do have a few resources, and have been able to

preview an article on a natural method of family

planning that will be in the issue.

Do any of you have readily available, a list of

references for recent studies of effectiveness ??

I have a couple, but more than one pair of eyes is

always better in my opinion.

I plan to quote the effectiveness rate next to the

Name of the Method, and will be including a web

address for the official organization affiliated with

it.

On that note, should I be including the WOOMB address

or another for the Billings Method?

As said, when it is done, the sheet will be

available to the general public for copying. (My name

won't even appear on it). I believe the planned

publication date is this fall.

Another note, I will include a sentence or two that

references culture and faith generally, but it will

not be specific, nor will it compare and contrast with

hormonal and barrier contraception.

(though I could do that in another venue!!)

Sandrock, CNM

Creighton Model Fertility Care System

Nurse-Midwife/Practitioner Intern

my online bookstore...

__________________________________________________

February 4, 2006

Dear Sheila and other members of the choir,

I do not wish to be argumentative or arouse hostilities, but there are differences of conviction and opinion among members of the NFP choir.

"Doing what comes naturally" is open to different interpretations. Even when explained as "doing what is meant to be" leaves more questions. To some it may mean following one's inclinations for relieving sexual tension.

Unless someone has made a general confession to you, a highly unlikely scenario, none of us know the private sins or virtues of others. "Judge not" applies to judgments that a person is without some sort of sin as well as the judgment that he or she is guilty of some sort of sin. Of one thing we can be sure: everyone is tempted to sexual sin although the temptations of some may be less than those experienced by others. Some of us have found that it is much easier to proclaim what the Church teaches about the natural moral law in a group setting than on a one to one basis. In a group setting, it is clear to all (or should be) that the teacher is simply proclaiming the Church's teaching without pointing any fingers at anyone in particular.

In today's culture, even in today's culture within the Church, we cannot take it for granted that everyone or anyone has been properly taught. When and where is sexual morality taught from Catholic pulpits? Or in Catholic high schools and colleges? Or in much that passes for preparation for marriage or even RCIA instructions? Here and there, to be sure. But universality is lacking.

Those of us who teach NFP in any sort of diocesan-approved program are privileged to share in the teaching mission of the Church. Each NFP course provides a unique opportunity to proclaim Catholic teaching about marital love and sexuality including what constitutes marital chastity and unchastity. If NFP teachers do not make use of this opportunity, where else are the students going to hear it? What said in Romans 10:14 ff can be paraphrased to apply to this issue. How can people believe if they don't hear the message? And how can they hear if teachers don't teach?

Cordially,

F. Kippley

RE: RE: NFP resources and general info

I spent time on the phone recently with a gentleman who called our organization to inquire about the effectiveness of a variety of what I will call “unnatural” behaviors he engages in with spouse to avoid pregnancy, withdrawal being one, but only one, of the behaviors. He was anxious not to achieve pregnancy, his wife did not want to go on hormones, and he did not like condoms, and so their marital behavior was a myriad of behaviors that might be classified as “natural” family planning if the absence of barriers, drugs, and devices is the definition of natural, but were anything but “natural”. It was an interesting experience to open his eyes to the fact that ALL he and his wife had to do was learn to understand WHEN they were fertile, and they were freed from resorting to all these extremes to avoid a pregnancy and could partake in the act, NATURALLY, the way it was intended. He was fascinated, had never heard this before, and pursuing instruction in his area.

I have always found the term “natural” in need of definition, as it implies so many things, but I think is best when explained as the way things are meant to be! ---“doing what comes naturally!” And sad to see the extremes people will go to, whether it be accepting serious side effects of meds, surgery, or extreme (or frustrating) behaviors, when ALL they have to do is know their bodies and learn the design!

Preaching to the choir, I know……..

Sheila St.

Executive Director

California Association of Natural Family Planning

1217 Tyler St.

Salinas, Ca. 93906

1-877-33-CANFP

www.canfp.org

February 4, 2006

, if that is all you can say about Billings, what are you writing about CrM?

Hanna Klaus, M.D.

Natural Family Planning Center of Wash. D.C. and Teen STAR Program

8514 Bradmoor Drive

Bethesda, MD 20817-3810

Tel. , ®

hannaklaus@..., hklaus@...

Re: NFP resources and general info

--- BOMA - USA wrote:> Would you consider letting each methodology review> what you > are writing about the specific method? In our case,> so often the > Billings Method is misrepresented when the> information does not > come from us or from the Drs. Billings or their> office in Australia.> > Sue Ek> BOMA-USAI am just writing briefly- a one or two "liner". Thereis a March 1st deadline and no real guarantee thatwhat I write will be published (as I was just emailedfrom the editor of the magazine to re-inforce thatfact)For the Billings Ovulation Method:Who may use it: Any female from puberty to menopause. Parameters used:Keeping track of cervical mucus discharge and notingif a sensation of lubrication is present. Again, just the gist of things Sandrock, CNMCreighton Model Fertility Care SystemNurse-Midwife/Practitioner Internmy online bookstore...http://familyfriendlybooksetc.spreadtheword.com__________________________________________________

February 4, 2006

--- " hannaklaus@... "

wrote:

> , if that is all you can say about Billings,

> what are you writing about CrM?

I'm not done yet guys........... !!!! That was just

the basic idea.

I am including that the CrM uses charting similar to

the BM, but standardized to aid in interpretation,

evaluation, and potential treatment for medical issues

I am hoping to not get anything edited, and hoping no

one decides to call NFP in general " the rhthym

method " , and hoping to include as many

forms/models/methods of NFP as possible.

I do have a question for Mr. Kippley though about

ecological breastfeeding- I am including Lactational

Ammenorhea. but I am getting the sense that perhaps

Ecological Breastfeeding may be thought by some to be

different?

The basics

For Lactational Ammenorhea

*up to 98% effective for the 1st 6mo as long as:

* totally breastfeeding, no use of pacifiers, bottles,

juice, or food

* at least 8 feedings in a 24hr period, including

night-time feedings

* no vaginal bleeding of any kind

The studies I have read substansiate the above, though

I know some women are comfortable as long as they are

not having periods. If they would like to space

pregnancies, they tend to start getting more nervous

and are more likely to want to chart to keep a closer

eye on things the longer they breasfeed.

Sandrock, CNM

Creighton Model Fertility Care System

Nurse-Midwife/Practitioner Intern

my online bookstore...