Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Learning (to produce) a particular behaviour often takes a number of trials, the actual number depending on the child, the reinforcement, etc. It is not clear from your message, however, what you mean by massed trials (Typically that means a number of trials in a row, and I thought that went out with the horse and buggy). > From: " abanymom " <abanymom@...> >Subject: Question re Mass Trials - is 10 or 20 the norm and why?? > >Hello, > >I'm hoping some of the experts on the board will help me out. I'm >locked into an ongoing debate with my consultant regarding the number >of trials being run on my child's program. The consultant has been >running 20 trials per program. My other therapists have been >complaining to me that my son seems bored with the programs, and they >believe it's related to the sheer number of repetitions of each >program per day. He has become disruptive and very inattentive. > >She seems to be inflexible on this issue of the number of trials. >She claims that the research shows that 20 trials per program is >best. Like I said, I think my son has become very bored with the 20 >trials, and this is leading to disruptive and inattentive behaviors. >I was under the impression that 10 trials was the norm, not 20. I >don't see the point of running 20 trials, if it causes increased >errors and lower success rates. > >I would greatly appreciate your views on the matter, and any research >you could point me in the direction of, either for or against the 20 >or the 10 trial protocol. I want to discuss this with her on Friday, >and really am at a loss as to how to find this specific type of >information. My community library does not have any journals or an >extensive collection of books on the topic. > >Thank you in advance for any suggestions and input, > >Therese > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 > >She claims that the research shows that 20 trials per program is > >best. Like I said, I think my son has become very bored with the 20 > >trials, and this is leading to disruptive and inattentive behaviors. > >I was under the impression that 10 trials was the norm, not 20. There is no research suggesting that 20 trials are better than any other number of trials. I > >don't see the point of running 20 trials, if it causes increased > >errors and lower success rates. Nor do I. > > > >I would greatly appreciate your views on the matter, and any research > >you could point me in the direction of, either for or against the 20 > >or the 10 trial protocol. The philosophy of behavior analysis is that one's decisions are to be guided by the data. There is no protocol that is immune from scrutiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 He is bored. Take it from a mother that has battled MO issues our entire journey. Boredom is one of the most difficult and underrated issues I've seen. We discuss having to compete with stim behavior well, guess what, stim behavior is often more exciting than having to answer a question 20 or even 10 times when you already answered it successfully after about 2 or 3. Ask me my name 10 or 20 times after I told you it once or twice and I promise, I'll put you on extinction. This issue needs to get addressed and it is holding back many wonderfully gifted children. I can't believe a consultant is still suggesting this. Reinforcement (and that can include the reinforcing nature of an interesting target) more than amount of trials will teach the skill. Avoid boredom at all costs...there will be things the children have to learn but the reinforcement facilitates the mastery not the amount of trials. > > Learning (to produce) a particular behaviour often takes a number of > trials, the actual number depending on the child, the reinforcement, > etc. It is not clear from your message, however, what you mean by > massed trials (Typically that means a number of trials in a row, and I > thought that went out with the horse and buggy). > > > From: " abanymom " <abanymom@y...> > >Subject: Question re Mass Trials - is 10 or 20 the norm and why?? > > > >Hello, > > > >I'm hoping some of the experts on the board will help me out. I'm > >locked into an ongoing debate with my consultant regarding the number > >of trials being run on my child's program. The consultant has been > >running 20 trials per program. My other therapists have been > >complaining to me that my son seems bored with the programs, and they > >believe it's related to the sheer number of repetitions of each > >program per day. He has become disruptive and very inattentive. > > > >She seems to be inflexible on this issue of the number of trials. > >She claims that the research shows that 20 trials per program is > >best. Like I said, I think my son has become very bored with the 20 > >trials, and this is leading to disruptive and inattentive behaviors. > >I was under the impression that 10 trials was the norm, not 20. I > >don't see the point of running 20 trials, if it causes increased > >errors and lower success rates. > > > >I would greatly appreciate your views on the matter, and any research > >you could point me in the direction of, either for or against the 20 > >or the 10 trial protocol. I want to discuss this with her on Friday, > >and really am at a loss as to how to find this specific type of > >information. My community library does not have any journals or an > >extensive collection of books on the topic. > > > >Thank you in advance for any suggestions and input, > > > >Therese > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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