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Dear ,

> Steve doesn't like his cyber-sex activities with Tami to be on

> permanent record (where they should be)

" where they should be "

Good one.

Thank you.

Love,

>> i don't think these dear people should be censored

>> or quieted in any way. no one here should be.

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> It appears that there is actually a lot censoring go on here by our

> dear and Steve. Steve doesn't like his cyber-sex activities with

> Tami to be on permanent record (where they should be) so he gets

> to delete all posts with any reference to it. Fortunately let it

> slip in an email what she had done and more of Steve's dirty laundry

> is out in the open.

>

> The gang jumps up and down when I even suggest censoring Tami's posts

> and recommend that I do the Work. Yet they don't appear to have the

> slightest difficulty in censoring the list archives to protect Steve's

> precious image. Talk about double standards.

>

> Okay enough about those dear people (Steve, Tami and ) if I read

> any more I will probably throw up.

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>

> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> Byron

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Last one for today...

Dear ,

I like your rants.

And please, don't try to fool us with your " I'm sorry " -thing. No one

is going to buy it. No one ever has.

Don't say you're sorry if you don't MEAN it!

I also like your suggestion about the " warning " for the group

description.

I'll have a second thought on that one.

I don't think that anyone here actually minds the authenticity in

this group. That's what we're here for, isn't it? Because we get to

hear things we don't hear all day long.

I think you can get an overdoze of anything (thoughts, actually), and

that may be what happened here.

Enough " I " for today.

Goodnight.

Love,

Am 02.12.2005 um 02:26 schrieb jmknapp74@...:

>

> my .02 cents:

>

> i like this group. i like the way it's open to just about

> ANYTHING. given

> the very nature of " loving what is " , it seems this place can be a

> place of

> safety to express yourself, and a cauldron to really get

> " cooked " . if you were

> so moved to actually question the stressful stories accosiated

> with this

> group. i have my own judgements about what happens here, not that

> that matters,

> but here are some:

>

> LTWOBK is an elitist, pent-up, purse-lipped, puritanical, control-

> freak,

> wanna-be dictator jackass who would love nothing more than to

> actually have some

> power to dictate to others what they can, can't, should or

> shouldn't feel,

> say, think and write (my story, or at least part of it). i am

> beyond grateful

> he has no seat of political power in this country (to my

> knowledge, which is

> zero. on second thought, maybe he is jerry falwell or robert

> first or trent

> lott or somebody ; ) who knows?). pretty harsh. and yes, i

> realize what

> the turnarounds would be here, and i can already see the truth in

> it. guilty

> as charged! and i can also remember times of feeling very loving

> toward him,

> as he actually gave a " helping hand " when the last thing needed was

> critisizm. but jesus, who thinks random acts of kindness toward

> others (statements of

> LAA) is something BAD? okay, i'm going way overboard here. sorry

> Love.

> sorry everyone. oh, and i LOVE that ltwobk is a part of the whole

> thing here.

> i truly love and appreciate it. It would be far less interesting

> if he

> weren't here. Love, for good or bad, you keep it VERY interesting

> and never

> fail to surprise. again, i'm sorry for the above. if anyone was

> being a raging

> jackass in that moment it was most certainly me.

>

> Tami, , Steve. Hmmmm. I prefer the fighting, bickering,

> loving/hating/not-caring, dramatic, porographic, crazy-good/crazy-

> bad REAL, AUTHENTIC

> HUMAN-NESS of these three folks over any sanitized version of what

> this group

> could be. that's the truth. i do. it's like: " surprise pie " .

> what's in

> today's pie? i don't know. it's a suprise. don't like the pie

> today? that's

> okay, try it tomorrow. it's surely to be a different flavor! or,

> question

> why you don't like it today, and maybe you will like it more!

> maybe you will

> even love it. or, not hungry for surprise pie? that's okay

> too...no one

> will force-feed it to you. i don't think these dear people should

> be censored

> or quieted in any way. no one here should be. no one here should

> be limited

> *as long as you are not causing HARM to others*. that is the key

> for me, and

> for me, no harm has been done. and if there is any " harm " caused

> (as in

> recently, between tami, steve and maria), we are able to work it

> out here. i

> don't know. it gets...uncomfortable...here at times, but that's

> something that

> makes it great in my opinion. but that's just me.

>

> now on the other hand, i can really see where someone new here

> would feel

> pretty freaked by all the goings-ons, and maybe not join in. and

> that is

> *their choice*. there should maybe be a warning on the sign-up

> page: THIS IS A

> FAMILY. IT HAS ALL THE ASPECTS OF A FAMILY, AND OF " WHAT IS " .

> IE: LOVE,

> DISSAGREEING, JOKING, ARGUING, LOVE, ANGER, DISSAPPROVAL,

> ATTENTION-SEEKING,

> LOVE, GIVING, TAKING, BLACK SHEEP, CLIQUES, LOVE, DIRTY JOKES,

> APPROVAL,

> APPRECEATION, LOVE, WISDOM, STUPIDITY AND LEARNING. JUST LIKE

> LIFE. oh, and people do

> The Work here too. If one wants a group where only the work is

> done, there

> IS one. bingo! ask and you shall receive. we are all flawed,

> and we are

> all perfect. i know I'M pretty fucking flawed. why not have a

> place where we

> can be ALL of who we are?

>

> oops! that was more like... .75 cents, or so. anyway, i like it

> here, as

> it is. there are enough places in the world where you have to

> follow a

> million rules, and sure, sometimes those rules are completely

> necessary. i just

> don't see how it's necessary here. and if that were to change,

> that would

> probably be just fine too.

>

> sorry for the rant,

>

>

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Hi ,

You are welcome sweetheart. I didnt post this tho'....(is it true?) lwbk

did...i did my work on steve, tami, maria , and the wonders of cyber sex!

(among other things!)

Love

wrote:

Dear ,

> Steve doesn't like his cyber-sex activities with Tami to be on

> permanent record (where they should be)

" where they should be "

Good one.

Thank you.

Love,

>> i don't think these dear people should be censored

>> or quieted in any way. no one here should be.

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> It appears that there is actually a lot censoring go on here by our

> dear and Steve. Steve doesn't like his cyber-sex activities with

> Tami to be on permanent record (where they should be) so he gets

> to delete all posts with any reference to it. Fortunately let it

> slip in an email what she had done and more of Steve's dirty laundry

> is out in the open.

>

> The gang jumps up and down when I even suggest censoring Tami's posts

> and recommend that I do the Work. Yet they don't appear to have the

> slightest difficulty in censoring the list archives to protect Steve's

> precious image. Talk about double standards.

>

> Okay enough about those dear people (Steve, Tami and ) if I read

> any more I will probably throw up.

>

>

> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> Byron

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- you are amazing! (sorry Ora)

You wrote something so beautiful and true:

And this reminds me of how often I don't see innocence, but " power-

struggles " in the " real " world, like family, company, politics, etc.

(almost forgot: my kids!)

You are so wise!

So true.

Thank you for writing here

you are a bless!

T

Well, thank you for putting this out for me.

Love,

Am 02.12.2005 um 08:45 schrieb jmknapp74@...:

>

> Hi,

>

> you know what? the more i think about this, or feel into

> this...the more i

> don't even care. delete posts, censor posts, what does it matter

> to me? it

> doesn't. i hardly post at all, and i hardly ever do the work,

> because it

> doesn't seem to click with me.

>

> LTW, i have no idea if what i wrote upset you in any way at all. it

> probably " didn't " because you are above it all, but if it did, i

> can honestly say

> i'm sorry about that. it felt cruel of me to write it, and that's

> how i felt

> at the time. what can i say? sometimes you push my buttons.

>

> what goes on here is none of my business anyway. i just felt moved

> to say

> something, and so i did. i can easily put myself in LTW's shoes

> and see his

> point. i can easily see the point of people wanting to express

> ANYTHING here

> as well. who's right? who's wrong? who knows? not me, that's

> for sure.

>

> sorry about making you want to vomit, LTW. you are someone i

> consider to be

> a dear one as well, and i wouldn't want your posts censored either,

> even

> though they upset people sometimes.

>

> it feels like a power struggle here to me. does anyone agree? oh

> well. i

> guess that's the way this particular thing is showing up at the

> moment.

> everything is temporary, and it will be interesting to see what

> happens. part of

> the surprise pie.

>

> jeremy

>

>

> In a message dated 12/2/2005 12:04:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> catherineantle@... writes:

>

>

>

> lovetheworkofbk wrote:

>>

>> i don't think these dear people should be censored

>> or quieted in any way. no one here should be.

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> It appears that there is actually a lot censoring go on here by our

> dear and Steve. Steve doesn't like his cyber-sex activities

> with

> Tami to be on permanent record (where they should be) so he gets

>

> to delete all posts with any reference to it. Fortunately

> let it

> slip in an email what she had done and more of Steve's dirty laundry

> is out in the open.

>

> The gang jumps up and down when I even suggest censoring Tami's posts

> and recommend that I do the Work. Yet they don't appear to have the

> slightest difficulty in censoring the list archives to protect

> Steve's

> precious image. Talk about double standards.

>

> Okay enough about those dear people (Steve, Tami and ) if I read

> any more I will probably throw up.

>

>

> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> Byron

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I dont see anything wrong.. I dont get what the fued is about..

People shouldn't have to be censored.. it just is silly.

if you ask me- it is puritanical

I would prefer color in these emails

love, roslyn

- In Loving-what-is , " " <skogsnuvan@y...> wrote:

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> > > Love

> > >

> > > Thank you for sharing

> > > once again, you don't do the work

> > > I thought you might want to know that :)

> > >

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> >

> > Tami are you psychic again? You know what I do and don't do? I

> don't

> > think so.

> >

> > BTW how is the cyber-sex going with Steve, or are you bored with

> him

> > and need someone younger like . So few married men and so much

> > Tami to go around :)

> >

> >

> > " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> > Byron

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Roslyn ~

Where do you see a feud? I dont see a feud. I see people expressing their

preferences. Your last sentence says " I would prefer.... " and all I have also

heard from others is what they would prefer....

Love,

mrcitrus6 wrote:

I dont see anything wrong.. I dont get what the fued is about..

People shouldn't have to be censored.. it just is silly.

if you ask me- it is puritanical

I would prefer color in these emails

love, roslyn

- In Loving-what-is , " " wrote:

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>

> > >

> > > Love

> > >

> > > Thank you for sharing

> > > once again, you don't do the work

> > > I thought you might want to know that :)

> > >

> >

> >

> > Tami are you psychic again? You know what I do and don't do? I

> don't

> > think so.

> >

> > BTW how is the cyber-sex going with Steve, or are you bored with

> him

> > and need someone younger like . So few married men and so much

> > Tami to go around :)

> >

> >

> > " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> > Byron

> >

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The feud i saw -was people wanting the moderator to delete emails..

and censor the number of emails..

And even asking for a new moderator.

And my view is people who dont like it should join another group.

People should not voice their preference.

is it true.. yes, ok no

How do i feel annoyed with the criticism.. saying how dare they who

never post come on here just to complain.

WIthout the thought.. ok with people writing what ever they want .. if

i dont want censorship i have to be ok with criticism.

People should voice their preference .

yes its a free country

i dont have to agree however..

love, roslyn

> > > >

> > > > Love

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for sharing

> > > > once again, you don't do the work

> > > > I thought you might want to know that :)

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Tami are you psychic again? You know what I do and don't do? I

> > don't

> > > think so.

> > >

> > > BTW how is the cyber-sex going with Steve, or are you bored with

> > him

> > > and need someone younger like . So few married men and so much

> > > Tami to go around :)

> > >

> > >

> > > " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> > > Byron

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