Re: suggestion

[Guest guest]

My suggestion is that we each need to decide individually what we want by

questioning our thoughts. I personally have used the message rules in

Outlook Express and have sent anyone with the names Tami, Tamer, and

to my deleted items folder. It works well for me as I don't even have to

think about whether I want to read it or not, it's gone!! Of course if

you have family with those names you will have to try something else.

It doesn't really sound to me like wants a break from moderating, she

likes the attention, but that's my story.

Dee

----- Original Message -----

> please- the rest of you 1990 silent people- express your opinion or

> not.

> loving what is and willing to change it

> laurie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear sweet Dee

Thank you for sharing.

I don't want to talk about me, I am too modest for that

so let me just say that I really think that your are loosing a lot by

deleting 's e-mails.

But has say's, if you loose something

you have been spared, so I take my words back.

As for me

I love to be in the deleted items, that is the best place for me

Since, I belive every thing I have to say

is for *ME* to listen.

I love you very much

Tami

-- Re: suggestion

My suggestion is that we each need to decide individually what we want by

questioning our thoughts. I personally have used the message rules in

Outlook Express and have sent anyone with the names Tami, Tamer, and

to my deleted items folder. It works well for me as I don't even have to

think about whether I want to read it or not, it's gone!! Of course if

you have family with those names you will have to try something else.

It doesn't really sound to me like wants a break from moderating, she

likes the attention, but that's my story.

Dee

----- Original Message -----

> please- the rest of you 1990 silent people- express your opinion or

> not.

> loving what is and willing to change it

> laurie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dee,

Wow, Dee, what a great idea - " My suggestion is that we each need to

decide individually what we want by questioning our thoughts. " thank

you for sharing this.

This entire concept reminds me of people complaining about something

on TV and forgetting that they can change the channel or turn off the

TV or simply leave the room.

I personally have no problem with the job that and are

doing.

Blessings, Steve D.

>

> My suggestion is that we each need to decide individually what we

want by

> questioning our thoughts. I personally have used the message

rules in

> Outlook Express and have sent anyone with the names Tami, Tamer,

and

> to my deleted items folder. It works well for me as I don't even

have to

> think about whether I want to read it or not, it's gone!! Of

course if

> you have family with those names you will have to try something

else.

>

> It doesn't really sound to me like wants a break from

moderating, she

> likes the attention, but that's my story.

>

> Dee

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Laurie Shuman " <lshuman@t...>

> > please- the rest of you 1990 silent people- express your

opinion or

> > not.

> > loving what is and willing to change it

> > laurie

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

my .02 cents:

i like this group. i like the way it's open to just about ANYTHING. given

the very nature of " loving what is " , it seems this place can be a place of

safety to express yourself, and a cauldron to really get " cooked " . if you were

so moved to actually question the stressful stories accosiated with this

group. i have my own judgements about what happens here, not that that

matters,

but here are some:

LTWOBK is an elitist, pent-up, purse-lipped, puritanical, control-freak,

wanna-be dictator jackass who would love nothing more than to actually have

some

power to dictate to others what they can, can't, should or shouldn't feel,

say, think and write (my story, or at least part of it). i am beyond grateful

he has no seat of political power in this country (to my knowledge, which is

zero. on second thought, maybe he is jerry falwell or robert first or trent

lott or somebody ; ) who knows?). pretty harsh. and yes, i realize what

the turnarounds would be here, and i can already see the truth in it. guilty

as charged! and i can also remember times of feeling very loving toward him,

as he actually gave a " helping hand " when the last thing needed was

critisizm. but jesus, who thinks random acts of kindness toward others

(statements of

LAA) is something BAD? okay, i'm going way overboard here. sorry Love.

sorry everyone. oh, and i LOVE that ltwobk is a part of the whole thing here.

i truly love and appreciate it. It would be far less interesting if he

weren't here. Love, for good or bad, you keep it VERY interesting and never

fail to surprise. again, i'm sorry for the above. if anyone was being a

raging

jackass in that moment it was most certainly me.

Tami, , Steve. Hmmmm. I prefer the fighting, bickering,

loving/hating/not-caring, dramatic, porographic, crazy-good/crazy-bad REAL,

AUTHENTIC

HUMAN-NESS of these three folks over any sanitized version of what this group

could be. that's the truth. i do. it's like: " surprise pie " . what's in

today's pie? i don't know. it's a suprise. don't like the pie today? that's

okay, try it tomorrow. it's surely to be a different flavor! or, question

why you don't like it today, and maybe you will like it more! maybe you will

even love it. or, not hungry for surprise pie? that's okay too...no one

will force-feed it to you. i don't think these dear people should be censored

or quieted in any way. no one here should be. no one here should be limited

*as long as you are not causing HARM to others*. that is the key for me, and

for me, no harm has been done. and if there is any " harm " caused (as in

recently, between tami, steve and maria), we are able to work it out here. i

don't know. it gets...uncomfortable...here at times, but that's something that

makes it great in my opinion. but that's just me.

now on the other hand, i can really see where someone new here would feel

pretty freaked by all the goings-ons, and maybe not join in. and that is

*their choice*. there should maybe be a warning on the sign-up page: THIS IS

A

FAMILY. IT HAS ALL THE ASPECTS OF A FAMILY, AND OF " WHAT IS " . IE: LOVE,

DISSAGREEING, JOKING, ARGUING, LOVE, ANGER, DISSAPPROVAL, ATTENTION-SEEKING,

LOVE, GIVING, TAKING, BLACK SHEEP, CLIQUES, LOVE, DIRTY JOKES, APPROVAL,

APPRECEATION, LOVE, WISDOM, STUPIDITY AND LEARNING. JUST LIKE LIFE. oh, and

people do

The Work here too. If one wants a group where only the work is done, there

IS one. bingo! ask and you shall receive. we are all flawed, and we are

all perfect. i know I'M pretty fucking flawed. why not have a place where we

can be ALL of who we are?

oops! that was more like... .75 cents, or so. anyway, i like it here, as

it is. there are enough places in the world where you have to follow a

million rules, and sure, sometimes those rules are completely necessary. i

just

don't see how it's necessary here. and if that were to change, that would

probably be just fine too.

sorry for the rant,

[Guest guest]

Dee,

I know that by the time you get my e-mail

I will be in the trash folder - where I should be

but I wanted to thank you, any way

for sharing with us your " relogion "

You showed me how much love I have for myself.

Let me explain:

I read your post and

I had no stressful stories such as:

a. Dee doesn't love me

b. I am worthless

c. I am being left behind

or others stories, I might have years ago.

I felt huge love for you Dee

for being kind to yourself by not reading my mails

because you belive's that it is not right for her -

True teacher for living her integrity!!!!

I love you so much

and thank you for showing me

how much I love myself.

My work is done?

T

-- Re: suggestion

My suggestion is that we each need to decide individually what we want by

questioning our thoughts. I personally have used the message rules in

Outlook Express and have sent anyone with the names Tami, Tamer, and

to my deleted items folder. It works well for me as I don't even have to

think about whether I want to read it or not, it's gone!! Of course if

you have family with those names you will have to try something else.

It doesn't really sound to me like wants a break from moderating, she

likes the attention, but that's my story.

Dee

----- Original Message -----

> please- the rest of you 1990 silent people- express your opinion or

> not.

> loving what is and willing to change it

> laurie

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I personally have no problem with the job that and are

> doing.

>

Yes, I can see why you would believe that.

After all you have cleaning up your image by deleting posts, and

your little cyber-sex partner Tami is being given free reign by .

" There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

Byron

[Guest guest]

Dear LovetheworkofBK,

Thank you for showing me some reasons why I would have no problem

with the job the current moderators are doing. If I did have a

problem with them I would take Dee's suggestion and question my

thoughts.

Blessings, Steve D.

>

> >

> > I personally have no problem with the job that and are

> > doing.

> >

>

> Yes, I can see why you would believe that.

>

> After all you have cleaning up your image by deleting posts,

and

> your little cyber-sex partner Tami is being given free reign by

.

>

>

> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> Byron

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear LovetheworkofBK,

>

> Thank you for showing me some reasons why I would have no problem

> with the job the current moderators are doing. If I did have a

> problem with them I would take Dee's suggestion and question my

> thoughts.

>

> Blessings, Steve D.

>

Hmmm .... interesting. I guess that you had a problem with some recent

posts about you, which you asked to delete. So did you question

your thoughts about those posts before you asked to delete them?

If you did you might have realized that any quest for love, approval

and appreciation belongs to the ego, not who really are.

" There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

Byron

[Guest guest]

Love

Thank you for sharing

once again, you don't do the work

I thought you might want to know that

T

-- Re: suggestion

>

> Dear LovetheworkofBK,

>

> Thank you for showing me some reasons why I would have no problem

> with the job the current moderators are doing. If I did have a

> problem with them I would take Dee's suggestion and question my

> thoughts.

>

> Blessings, Steve D.

>

Hmmm .... interesting. I guess that you had a problem with some recent

posts about you, which you asked to delete. So did you question

your thoughts about those posts before you asked to delete them?

If you did you might have realized that any quest for love, approval

and appreciation belongs to the ego, not who really are.

" There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

Byron

[Guest guest]

>

> Love

>

> Thank you for sharing

> once again, you don't do the work

> I thought you might want to know that

>

Tami are you psychic again? You know what I do and don't do? I don't

think so.

BTW how is the cyber-sex going with Steve, or are you bored with him

and need someone younger like . So few married men and so much

Tami to go around

" There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

Byron

[Guest guest]

Hi,

you know what? the more i think about this, or feel into this...the more i

don't even care. delete posts, censor posts, what does it matter to me? it

doesn't. i hardly post at all, and i hardly ever do the work, because it

doesn't seem to click with me.

LTW, i have no idea if what i wrote upset you in any way at all. it

probably " didn't " because you are above it all, but if it did, i can honestly

say

i'm sorry about that. it felt cruel of me to write it, and that's how i felt

at the time. what can i say? sometimes you push my buttons.

what goes on here is none of my business anyway. i just felt moved to say

something, and so i did. i can easily put myself in LTW's shoes and see his

point. i can easily see the point of people wanting to express ANYTHING here

as well. who's right? who's wrong? who knows? not me, that's for sure.

sorry about making you want to vomit, LTW. you are someone i consider to be

a dear one as well, and i wouldn't want your posts censored either, even

though they upset people sometimes.

it feels like a power struggle here to me. does anyone agree? oh well. i

guess that's the way this particular thing is showing up at the moment.

everything is temporary, and it will be interesting to see what happens. part

of

the surprise pie.

jeremy

In a message dated 12/2/2005 12:04:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

catherineantle@... writes:

lovetheworkofbk wrote:

>

> i don't think these dear people should be censored

> or quieted in any way. no one here should be.

Hi ,

It appears that there is actually a lot censoring go on here by our

dear and Steve. Steve doesn't like his cyber-sex activities with

Tami to be on permanent record (where they should be) so he gets

to delete all posts with any reference to it. Fortunately let it

slip in an email what she had done and more of Steve's dirty laundry

is out in the open.

The gang jumps up and down when I even suggest censoring Tami's posts

and recommend that I do the Work. Yet they don't appear to have the

slightest difficulty in censoring the list archives to protect Steve's

precious image. Talk about double standards.

Okay enough about those dear people (Steve, Tami and ) if I read

any more I will probably throw up.

" There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

Byron

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[Guest guest]

>

> i don't think these dear people should be censored

> or quieted in any way. no one here should be.

Hi ,

It appears that there is actually a lot censoring go on here by our

dear and Steve. Steve doesn't like his cyber-sex activities with

Tami to be on permanent record (where they should be) so he gets

to delete all posts with any reference to it. Fortunately let it

slip in an email what she had done and more of Steve's dirty laundry

is out in the open.

The gang jumps up and down when I even suggest censoring Tami's posts

and recommend that I do the Work. Yet they don't appear to have the

slightest difficulty in censoring the list archives to protect Steve's

precious image. Talk about double standards.

Okay enough about those dear people (Steve, Tami and ) if I read

any more I will probably throw up.

" There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

Byron

[Guest guest]

lovetheworkofbk wrote:

>

> i don't think these dear people should be censored

> or quieted in any way. no one here should be.

Hi ,

It appears that there is actually a lot censoring go on here by our

dear and Steve. Steve doesn't like his cyber-sex activities with

Tami to be on permanent record (where they should be) so he gets

to delete all posts with any reference to it. Fortunately let it

slip in an email what she had done and more of Steve's dirty laundry

is out in the open.

The gang jumps up and down when I even suggest censoring Tami's posts

and recommend that I do the Work. Yet they don't appear to have the

slightest difficulty in censoring the list archives to protect Steve's

precious image. Talk about double standards.

Okay enough about those dear people (Steve, Tami and ) if I read

any more I will probably throw up.

" There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

Byron

[Guest guest]

Dear Love

I don't see how what you wrote has anything to do with the work.

Please do the work, and not stick your nose in other people business.

Love

Tami

-- Re: suggestion

>

> Love

>

> Thank you for sharing

> once again, you don't do the work

> I thought you might want to know that

>

Tami are you psychic again? You know what I do and don't do? I don't

think so.

BTW how is the cyber-sex going with Steve, or are you bored with him

and need someone younger like . So few married men and so much

Tami to go around

" There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

Byron

[Guest guest]

Dear C

Thank you for sharing

Tami

-- Re: Re: suggestion

lovetheworkofbk wrote:

>

> i don't think these dear people should be censored

> or quieted in any way. no one here should be.

Hi ,

It appears that there is actually a lot censoring go on here by our

dear and Steve. Steve doesn't like his cyber-sex activities with

Tami to be on permanent record (where they should be) so he gets

to delete all posts with any reference to it. Fortunately let it

slip in an email what she had done and more of Steve's dirty laundry

is out in the open.

The gang jumps up and down when I even suggest censoring Tami's posts

and recommend that I do the Work. Yet they don't appear to have the

slightest difficulty in censoring the list archives to protect Steve's

precious image. Talk about double standards.

Okay enough about those dear people (Steve, Tami and ) if I read

any more I will probably throw up.

" There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

Byron

[Guest guest]

Dear

" , getting you your first warning as Moderator of this group " .

I am proud of you!!!

The less is more, as Steve says

but with this guy,

the more is more...

Love, I hate to see you thrown out

Tami

[Guest guest]

Well put!!

>

>

>>

>> I personally have no problem with the job that and are

>> doing.

>>

>

>Yes, I can see why you would believe that.

>

>After all you have cleaning up your image by deleting posts, and

>your little cyber-sex partner Tami is being given free reign by .

>

>

> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

>Byron

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My English is not good

What does it means: free reign by .

I translate each word

and it didn't seem true to me

but maybe it is my bad English.

I love you all

Tami

-- Re: suggestion

Well put!!

>

>

>>

>> I personally have no problem with the job that and are

>> doing.

>>

>

>Yes, I can see why you would believe that.

>

>After all you have cleaning up your image by deleting posts, and

>your little cyber-sex partner Tami is being given free reign by .

>

>

> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

>Byron

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Tami!

I don´t believe that as long as I am a moderator I will throw

someone out, unless it is a matter of commercial or spam. So don´t

worry, Ltwobk can stay. However I think he should apaogize to you

for that nasty remark about your sexlife. What is he doing there

anyway?????

>

> Dear

>

>

> " , getting you your first warning as Moderator of this group " .

>

> I am proud of you!!!

>

> The less is more, as Steve says

> but with this guy,

> the more is more...

>

> Love, I hate to see you thrown out

>

>

> Tami

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You wrote:

" What is he (lovethework) was doing there (in my sex life)

anyway?????

My wild guess will be:

Maybe, he is interested in sex like the rest of us

and it has nothing to do with his wife...

Lovehtework, looking forward to your opinion

T

-- Re: suggestion

Thank you Tami!

I don´t believe that as long as I am a moderator I will throw

someone out, unless it is a matter of commercial or spam. So don´t

worry, Ltwobk can stay. However I think he should apaogize to you

for that nasty remark about your sexlife. What is he doing there

anyway?????

>

> Dear

>

>

> " , getting you your first warning as Moderator of this group " .

>

> I am proud of you!!!

>

> The less is more, as Steve says

> but with this guy,

> the more is more...

>

> Love, I hate to see you thrown out

>

>

> Tami

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you Tami!

>

> I don´t believe that as long as I am a moderator I will throw

> someone out, unless it is a matter of commercial or spam. So don´t

> worry, Ltwobk can stay. However I think he should apaogize to you

> for that nasty remark about your sexlife. What is he doing there

> anyway?????

>

> >

> > Dear

> >

> >

> > " , getting you your first warning as Moderator of this

group " .

> >

> > I am proud of you!!!

> >

> > The less is more, as Steve says

> > but with this guy,

> > the more is more...

> >

> > Love, I hate to see you thrown out

> >

> >

> > Tami

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Thank you Tami!

> >

> > I don´t believe that as long as I am a moderator I will throw

> > someone out, unless it is a matter of commercial or spam. So

don´t

> > worry, Ltwobk can stay. However I think he should apaogize to

you

> > for that nasty remark about your sexlife. What is he doing there

> > anyway?????

> >

> > >

> > > Dear

> > >

> > >

> > > " , getting you your first warning as Moderator of this

> group " .

> > >

> > > I am proud of you!!!

> > >

> > > The less is more, as Steve says

> > > but with this guy,

> > > the more is more...

> > >

> > > Love, I hate to see you thrown out

> > >

> > >

> > > Tami

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/3/2005 7:18:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

olli_26@... writes:

Last one for today...

Dear ,

I like your rants.

*****i would be lying if i said i didn't like to rant every once in a while.

i've got rants in my pants. and i'm not sure what that even means ; )

And please, don't try to fool us with your " I'm sorry " -thing. No one

is going to buy it. No one ever has.

Don't say you're sorry if you don't MEAN it!

*****sorry about what? my rants? i guess i don't actually MEAN it in that

case. it's kind of a disclaimer on my part. sorry to LTW for calling him

names? yes i mean it there.

I also like your suggestion about the " warning " for the group

description.

I'll have a second thought on that one.

*****probably a good idea...i think people would appreciate it if they

didn't know what to expect here.

I don't think that anyone here actually minds the authenticity in

this group. That's what we're here for, isn't it? Because we get to

hear things we don't hear all day long.

*****that is an interesting statement. does anyone here mind true

authenticity? even if it has dirty words or expressions of love, hate, humor,

lust,

superiority, inferiority, sarcasm etc? i can see where i mind it if it does

not match my views (example: LTW. i think he's authentically himself--except

no one has any clue who he is as he hides behind pseudonyms and all that,

going off-track here--and there have been plenty of times i have minded his

authenticity. but never enough to want to censor him or anything like that).

I think you can get an overdoze of anything (thoughts, actually), and

that may be what happened here.

*****cheers to that.

Enough " I " for today.

Goodnight.

Love,

*****goodnight alex.

love,

jeremy

Am 02.12.2005 um 02:26 schrieb jmknapp74@...:

>

> my .02 cents:

>

> i like this group. i like the way it's open to just about

> ANYTHING. given

> the very nature of " loving what is " , it seems this place can be a

> place of

> safety to express yourself, and a cauldron to really get

> " cooked " . if you were

> so moved to actually question the stressful stories accosiated

> with this

> group. i have my own judgements about what happens here, not that

> that matters,

> but here are some:

>

> LTWOBK is an elitist, pent-up, purse-lipped, puritanical, control-

> freak,

> wanna-be dictator jackass who would love nothing more than to

> actually have some

> power to dictate to others what they can, can't, should or

> shouldn't feel,

> say, think and write (my story, or at least part of it). i am

> beyond grateful

> he has no seat of political power in this country (to my

> knowledge, which is

> zero. on second thought, maybe he is jerry falwell or robert

> first or trent

> lott or somebody ; ) who knows?). pretty harsh. and yes, i

> realize what

> the turnarounds would be here, and i can already see the truth in

> it. guilty

> as charged! and i can also remember times of feeling very loving

> toward him,

> as he actually gave a " helping hand " when the last thing needed was

> critisizm. but jesus, who thinks random acts of kindness toward

> others (statements of

> LAA) is something BAD? okay, i'm going way overboard here. sorry

> Love.

> sorry everyone. oh, and i LOVE that ltwobk is a part of the whole

> thing here.

> i truly love and appreciate it. It would be far less interesting

> if he

> weren't here. Love, for good or bad, you keep it VERY interesting

> and never

> fail to surprise. again, i'm sorry for the above. if anyone was

> being a raging

> jackass in that moment it was most certainly me.

>

> Tami, , Steve. Hmmmm. I prefer the fighting, bickering,

> loving/hating/not-caring, dramatic, porographic, crazy-good/crazy-

> bad REAL, AUTHENTIC

> HUMAN-NESS of these three folks over any sanitized version of what

> this group

> could be. that's the truth. i do. it's like: " surprise pie " .

> what's in

> today's pie? i don't know. it's a suprise. don't like the pie

> today? that's

> okay, try it tomorrow. it's surely to be a different flavor! or,

> question

> why you don't like it today, and maybe you will like it more!

> maybe you will

> even love it. or, not hungry for surprise pie? that's okay

> too...no one

> will force-feed it to you. i don't think these dear people should

> be censored

> or quieted in any way. no one here should be. no one here should

> be limited

> *as long as you are not causing HARM to others*. that is the key

> for me, and

> for me, no harm has been done. and if there is any " harm " caused

> (as in

> recently, between tami, steve and maria), we are able to work it

> out here. i

> don't know. it gets...uncomfortable...here at times, but that's

> something that

> makes it great in my opinion. but that's just me.

>

> now on the other hand, i can really see where someone new here

> would feel

> pretty freaked by all the goings-ons, and maybe not join in. and

> that is

> *their choice*. there should maybe be a warning on the sign-up

> page: THIS IS A

> FAMILY. IT HAS ALL THE ASPECTS OF A FAMILY, AND OF " WHAT IS " .

> IE: LOVE,

> DISSAGREEING, JOKING, ARGUING, LOVE, ANGER, DISSAPPROVAL,

> ATTENTION-SEEKING,

> LOVE, GIVING, TAKING, BLACK SHEEP, CLIQUES, LOVE, DIRTY JOKES,

> APPROVAL,

> APPRECEATION, LOVE, WISDOM, STUPIDITY AND LEARNING. JUST LIKE

> LIFE. oh, and people do

> The Work here too. If one wants a group where only the work is

> done, there

> IS one. bingo! ask and you shall receive. we are all flawed,

> and we are

> all perfect. i know I'M pretty fucking flawed. why not have a

> place where we

> can be ALL of who we are?

>

> oops! that was more like... .75 cents, or so. anyway, i like it

> here, as

> it is. there are enough places in the world where you have to

> follow a

> million rules, and sure, sometimes those rules are completely

> necessary. i just

> don't see how it's necessary here. and if that were to change,

> that would

> probably be just fine too.

>

> sorry for the rant,

>

>

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Just skipping over some posts I missed in the last days.

I thought I had a bad time and didn't feel like reading the posts.

How much fun I missed!

Good, so I can have it now!

Anyway, about that image-thing of Steve:

>> After all you have cleaning up your image by deleting posts,

>> and

>> your little cyber-sex partner Tami is being given free reign by .

I don't know who wrote this, but I want to express my thanks.

I had almost forgotten Steve's bad image, and even his and Tami's

cyber-sex hobby. Thank you for your kind reminder!

Love,

Am 02.12.2005 um 15:41 schrieb :

> Well put!!

>

>

>>

>>

>>>

>>> I personally have no problem with the job that and are

>>> doing.

>>

>> Yes, I can see why you would believe that.

>>

>> After all you have cleaning up your image by deleting posts,

>> and

>> your little cyber-sex partner Tami is being given free reign by .

>>

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Dear ,

thank you for posting, you have been quiet so long...

One thing I did not understand:

> it feels like a power struggle here to me

What I am wondering: what does a " power struggle " look like to

someone who isn't involved in any way? To one for whom the outside

struggle is NOT a reflection of his inside?

Maybe like some childs playing?

For me, this is the one thing that I hold dear in this group: here

you CAN talk about illusions, inside-outside projection, etc. And to

me, this is something where the work gets you, if you go deep enough:

to see the illusion as what it is, just an illusion. Well, it has

great side-effects, as well, like letting go of fears, need for LAA,

etc.

Now this " power-struggle " illusion becomes pretty clear to me in this

group: I haven't seen a struggle until you mentioned it. Now I see

how it can be seen that way.

And this reminds me of how often I don't see innocence, but " power-

struggles " in the " real " world, like family, company, politics, etc.

(almost forgot: my kids!)

Well, thank you for putting this out for me.

Love,

Am 02.12.2005 um 08:45 schrieb jmknapp74@...:

>

> Hi,

>

> you know what? the more i think about this, or feel into

> this...the more i

> don't even care. delete posts, censor posts, what does it matter

> to me? it

> doesn't. i hardly post at all, and i hardly ever do the work,

> because it

> doesn't seem to click with me.

>

> LTW, i have no idea if what i wrote upset you in any way at all. it

> probably " didn't " because you are above it all, but if it did, i

> can honestly say

> i'm sorry about that. it felt cruel of me to write it, and that's

> how i felt

> at the time. what can i say? sometimes you push my buttons.

>

> what goes on here is none of my business anyway. i just felt moved

> to say

> something, and so i did. i can easily put myself in LTW's shoes

> and see his

> point. i can easily see the point of people wanting to express

> ANYTHING here

> as well. who's right? who's wrong? who knows? not me, that's

> for sure.

>

> sorry about making you want to vomit, LTW. you are someone i

> consider to be

> a dear one as well, and i wouldn't want your posts censored either,

> even

> though they upset people sometimes.

>

> it feels like a power struggle here to me. does anyone agree? oh

> well. i

> guess that's the way this particular thing is showing up at the

> moment.

> everything is temporary, and it will be interesting to see what

> happens. part of

> the surprise pie.

>

> jeremy

>

>

> In a message dated 12/2/2005 12:04:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> catherineantle@... writes:

>

>

>

> lovetheworkofbk wrote:

>>

>> i don't think these dear people should be censored

>> or quieted in any way. no one here should be.

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> It appears that there is actually a lot censoring go on here by our

> dear and Steve. Steve doesn't like his cyber-sex activities

> with

> Tami to be on permanent record (where they should be) so he gets

>

> to delete all posts with any reference to it. Fortunately

> let it

> slip in an email what she had done and more of Steve's dirty laundry

> is out in the open.

>

> The gang jumps up and down when I even suggest censoring Tami's posts

> and recommend that I do the Work. Yet they don't appear to have the

> slightest difficulty in censoring the list archives to protect

> Steve's

> precious image. Talk about double standards.

>

> Okay enough about those dear people (Steve, Tami and ) if I read

> any more I will probably throw up.

>

>

> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> Byron

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