Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 I'm on a debate group, and there is someone who thinks autistics have no place in public school. What do you say to that? He also said " I suggest you realize the public school system is not set up and the tax payer is not expected to pay for " Special Children " . Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 I would tell him be careful what you say today because it can come back to haunt you many many years from now. I guess when he has dementia or something like that later in life then no agency should help him either. It won't help the debate, and probably won't mean anything now to him, but it will come back to bite him in the a%%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Hitler and his Nazi cohorts had a similar philosophy. The " lame " , physically disabled, mentally retarded, jews, communists, and homosexuals were all slated for extermination. First they were segregated. Then they were put in ghettos. Then they were transported by rail to extermination camps. You can judge a society by how it treats its more helpless members. Perhaps this " gentleman " might feel differently if he had a child with autism. Or perhaps not. --- cab5532 wrote: > > I would tell him be careful what you say today > because it can come > back to haunt you many many years from now. I guess > when he has > dementia or something like that later in life then > no agency should > help him either. It won't help the debate, and > probably won't mean > anything now to him, but it will come back to bite > him in the a%%. > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 The guy actually said the " tax payer is not expected to pay for Special Children " ? What planet is he from? My child with autism doesn't go to public school but I still pay taxes, I have to or I'd go to jail! You should tell him if he doesn't like it he can always move--to another country or another planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Hi, I'm sorry to say some people still don't get the whole picture, lots of our past, present, and I'm sure future family members, relative have served and did what needed to be done so we could breath, eat, sleep in some type of safe environment, our children are our future, no matter what challenges or tasks they might have to face. It is up to us to lead and guide for a better place just like our loved ones did for us to ensure we would do better, have better and accomplish what need to get done in order to advance and provide a better place to live and have a better life than what they had to endure. We as American have paved the way for may things and will continue to do so, We have also paid in lots of things wars, countries, medical, and other unforseen expenses with our tax dollars. It has been a proven fact what goes around comes around, you must give in order to receive and keep quiet and listen in order to learn, you must be willing to give up time of yourself to educate in order for those to learn and advance. So where do you feel and who do you feel needs to help? It is my opinion for what it's worth we must unite and help each other to advance, this situation from each others issues, experience, happy, sad, glad or any thing else they are dealing with is the only way we will learn and keeping each other informed. Not shutting it up in the closet! Get over it we are entitled to educated each and every child no matter what it takes, it is thier given rights!!!! Unless you are faced with these issues and concerns how can you voice that remark? No one has the right to say who does and who doesn't get an education!! We are all created as equals and deserve the right to be treated as equals. I'm sorry for getting on my soap box it upsets me to read someone's remark on our special needs children they are all a blessing to us and a task that we must face and deal with no matter how heavy the burden. Its time some of these people open there eyes and realize they are here to stay and will do the best they can to survive and endure. Blessings to All, A What to say? > > > I'm on a debate group, and there is someone who thinks autistics have no > place in public school. What do you say to that? He also said " I suggest > you > realize the public school system is not set up and the tax payer is not > expected to pay for " Special Children " . > > Anne > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 I told him he needed to google " Temple Grandin, Ph.D. " and check out ADA and IDEA. I felt that those thinsg would all speak from themselves. I also told him since he didn't have a special needs child, nor does he work within the school system, he therefore has no clue what he's talking about. Anne -- What to say? I'm on a debate group, and there is someone who thinks autistics have no place in public school. What do you say to that? He also said " I suggest you realize the public school system is not set up and the tax payer is not expected to pay for " Special Children " . Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 In response to the other list debate with a member saying: " the tax payer is not expected to pay for " Special Children " . " I say: I expected the government and medical experts to protect my child. He is a casualty. He was completely normal until his MMR and then he lost all language, became very sick and regressed into a violent nightmare. Where were the tax payers and government when I have paid a hundred thousand dollars on therapy not covered by insurance? How are they going to help my son get rid of the remains of the measles vaccine from 5 years ago? I didn't want the tax payer to pay for my special child--I wanted him healthy and not in pain. Feel free to copy my post to that member. He can fill his swimming pool with the tears we have shed for what might have been and for what remains. I hope I can protect my son from people like this. Theresa Madore, SA > I told him he needed to google " Temple Grandin, Ph.D. " and check out ADA and > IDEA. I felt that those thinsg would all speak from themselves. I also told > him since he didn't have a special needs child, nor does he work within the > school system, he therefore has no clue what he's talking about. > > Anne ----------------------------------- > > Oh, but the tax payer is expected to educate ALL children including > ours, otherwise, why would there be IDEA?? > > On a more personal note, our kids (and families) have already been dealt > a tough hand in life. How dare he suggest anyone has the right to make > it harder!! Only an ignorant, biased fool would miss the gifts that our > children bring to all those around them. > > It's late, so I'll get off the soap box before my blood pressure gets > any higher. > > Tonya > ---------------------- > > I'm on a debate group, and there is someone who thinks autistics have no > place in public school. What do you say to that? He also said " I suggest > you > realize the public school system is not set up and the tax payer is not > expected to pay for " Special Children " . > > Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 This is on a " debate group " ? Please tell me he doesn't really believe that and he's just trying to stir up a fight. If common human decency isn't enough of an argument for him, try telling him about how much of a taxpayer burden we'll face if all the autistic toddlers in the country (1 in every 166) went on to be low-functioning adults in need of lifetime care instead of contributing members of society. Not helping them while they're young may be a penny wise, but it's many pounds foolish. > I told him he needed to google " Temple Grandin, Ph.D. " and check out ADA and > IDEA. I felt that those thinsg would all speak from themselves. I also told > him since he didn't have a special needs child, nor does he work within the > school system, he therefore has no clue what he's talking about. > > Anne > > -- What to say? > > > I'm on a debate group, and there is someone who thinks autistics have no > place in public school. What do you say to that? He also said " I suggest > you > realize the public school system is not set up and the tax payer is not > expected to pay for " Special Children " . > > Anne > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 He honestly feels this way, and not just about autistics- he feels this way about any child that requires any special attention in school. He's a moron. I'm not losing sleep over it, I was just so stunned, I didn't know how to react at first. Anne -- What to say? > > > I'm on a debate group, and there is someone who thinks autistics have no > place in public school. What do you say to that? He also said " I suggest > you > realize the public school system is not set up and the tax payer is not > expected to pay for " Special Children " . > > Anne > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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