RE: Re: IBI v. Eclectic

[Guest guest]

Would someone repost the article in question, or at least where I can find

it? I think that if we're differentiating ABA and VB, then there's some

significant definitional problems going on. Both use ABA principles to

teach skills to children. There is, I think, much more similiar than

different. I would expect " eclectic " to refer to a mix of speech therapy,

OT, as well as many other " therapies " of questionable value - like TEACCH.

Ron Kincaid

(sorry for the duplicate, t, but I erroneously sent the first message

to just you)

From: t Burk <juliet@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: IBI v. Eclectic

Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:24:15 -0600

MIME-Version: 1.0

X-Originating-IP: 66.163.170.83

X-Sender: juliet@...

Received: from n3a.bulk.scd. ([66.94.237.37]) by

mc11-f24.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 23 Mar 2005

15:14:14 -0800

Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bulk.scd. with NNFMP; 23 Mar

2005 23:13:51 -0000

Received: from [66.218.66.33] by mailer1.bulk.scd. with NNFMP; 23

Mar 2005 23:13:51 -0000

Received: (qmail 6976 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2005 23:13:50 -0000

Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd. with QMQP;

23 Mar 2005 23:13:50 -0000

Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.) (66.94.237.42) by

mta3.grp.scd. with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 23:13:50 -0000

Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bulk.scd. with NNFMP; 23 Mar

2005 23:13:37 -0000

Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer8.bulk.scd. with NNFMP; 23

Mar 2005 23:13:37 -0000

Received: (qmail 44280 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2005 18:33:44 -0000

Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd. with QMQP;

23 Mar 2005 18:33:44 -0000

Received: from unknown (HELO smtp813.mail.sc5.) (66.163.170.83) by

mta6.grp.scd. with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 18:33:44 -0000

Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.1.4?) (julietburk@... with

plain) by smtp813.mail.sc5. with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 18:24:18 -0000

X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFEToyj6zWlr72h8VC0ZhGhGzw8K3hUhsg=

X--Newman-Property: groups-email

DomainKey-Signature:

X-Apparently-

X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2)

X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0

X--Profile: julietburk

X-eGroups-Approved-By: abaqueen1 <ABAqueen1@...> via web; 23 Mar 2005

23:13:22 -0000

Mailing-List: list ; contact

-owner

Delivered-mailing list

List-Id: < .>

Precedence: bulk

List-Unsubscribe: <mailto: -unsubscribe >

Return-Path:

sentto-371113-11728-1111619630-rekincaid=hotmail.com@...

X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2005 23:14:14.0339 (UTC)

FILETIME=[07776130:01C52FFE]

At several folks suggestions, I am going to read the article in

question. But I'd like to clarify for the group to discuss some of my

concerns. First of all, the study results are being presented in a

broad generality (IBI is better than eclectic). That, I think is

dangerous. It doesn't answer the question of what mix of programs is

best for a child on an individual level. My children did much better

in an eclectic (not TEACCH) program than they did in traditional ABA

(lovaas). So I think it leaves one to wonder what kind of ABA was used

in the study. If it is VB, I am reassured. But it would be VERY scary

if some of those horrible non-VB programs take this research and run

with it to the detriment of those of us who prefer a NET bent. The

generality that is being presented in the study summary differs so

much from my own experience (we had a very eclectic mix) that I wonder

if it shouldn't be broken down into subgroups. E.g. were there some

kids that did better with the eclectic mix than all IBI? If so, what

were their characteristics?

Can you see why I am concerned? If I were a new parent, this study

would leave me scared that I was doing the wrong thing by mixing the

bag of tricks. Which is what we did to spectacular success, I might

add. I am worried about it being taken that way.

t Burk

www.autismteachingtools.com

Home of the " Early Learner at Home "

List moderators: Jenn - ABAqueen1@...

Steph - Stephhulshof@...

Post message:

Subscribe: -subscribe

Unsubscribe: -unsubscribe

[Guest guest]

Hi Group--

While we are talking about this study that has mentioned TEACCH, I would

like to pose a question to the group that I've long been wanting to ask but

felt it was somewhat off topic. I have noticed that a large number of

postings come from folks who are in northern states or outside of the East

Coast

where therapies such as ABA, Floortime, SonRise, RDI, etc. are more widely

practiced. I live in North Carolina where the predominant treatment for autism

is

the TEACCH method that originated at UNC in Chapel Hill, NC. TEACCH has a

very firm grasp on how programs for people with autism are set up throughout

the

state. I've been to several TEACCH trainings and they are wonderful.

However, from my understanding, there is a pretty big difference in

philosophies

between TEACCH and ABA ( and even a history of rivalry)

In fact, to get any ABA training I am having to take online coursework from

the University of North Texas because there are no ABA programs in the state.

Although we have wonderful and talented clinicians in my area they seem to

be exclusively tied to TEACCH methods. In fact, I have even received some

disapproving looks when mentioning that I am interested in ABA

As I continue to learn about ABA (and enjoying every minute of it) I am

finding myself wanting to incorporate TEACCH strategies. I think that TEACCH has

a lot to offer such as their approach to structured teaching and visual

learning. However I find myself disagreeing with other points as well such as

their ideas on " the culture of autism " Basically, I would like to hear what

other

folks outside of NC think of TEACCH. Most of the professionals and parents

in NC feel a great deal of gratitude to the TEACCH program for being so

innovative for its time and for all the groundbreaking work they did with

autism.

Many families owe their children's success stories to TEACCH.

I intend to stay here in NC and I want to be able to work collaboratively

with the professionals in my area when I am finished with my graduate program

without denying my ABA background. I would appreciate any comments or feedback.

I think there must be ways to have an eclectic program without seriously

compromising the tenets of the individual programs.

Thanks in advance for considering my questions,

Will

Asheville, NC