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Lynn,

Not everyone works at a hospital that has residents. Where I work there

are no residents and you usually can't find another doc when you need

them. Like Cherub, the ER docs don't want to come do the delivery. The

last time I insisted that an ER doc come to L & D to do a delivery, he

just stood there and watched me deliver the baby. He said he hadn't

delivered a baby since medical school and this guy was old! He said that

I had probably delivered more babies than he had. I guess that's why I'm

on my way to becoming a midwife.

Sylvia

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Cherub, sorry if I sounded so defensive. I enjoy reading your letters. I

just don't feel comfortable with what you feel comfortable with. Besides, it

sounds like you work at a much smaller hosp and I am sure there are a lot of

times the docs aren't there and you all have a greater amount of

responsibility than we do. Lynn

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Jan, 98% epi rate here! What do we do? Have you ever tried to get an epi pt

on all 4s!? It is awful. At our hosp we just don't have the chance to give

the care that an op pt needs. Our pts come in and want their epis an dthey

get them! I have had many epi pts on all 4s and they give up! Lynn

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Hi Cherub,

Cord round neck? Loop it over head if possible if too tight clamp using 2

clamps and cut between, unwind cord then deliver with next push. Sometimes

babies with cord round neck deliver too quickly to sort it out first but I

have never seen it cause a problem if it does. I may be old fashioned but I

would never twist the babies head...what if the cord was round, tightly 2 or

3 times as it sometimes is?

Love

Diane

[OBnurses] Re: Pain and OP babies

>From: CherubJoen@...

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>Lynn,

>

> It only happened to me once and the doc that was supposed to deliver the

baby

>came in just at that moment and told me to turn the baby. I turned the

baby

>to the right and it spun around and then delivered. This sounds stupid,

but I

>suppose if you tried to turn it the other way, the baby wouldn't turn, as

the

>cord was too tight to slip over the head . I was in labor and delivery for

>almost 30 years and that was the only time I had this happen. Usually you

>are in the del room and the doc just reaches up, clamps the cord in two

>places, cuts it and gets the baby out fast. This little Mexican girl came

in

>at 9 cm and proceeded to deliver in the bed, so there wasn't time to get

any

>instruments. I was lucky to get gloves on. I did put the light on to get

the

>floor nurse to come. (We only had one L & D nurse and one floor nurse and

one

>nursery nurse. I told you it was and is still, a very small hospital.)

>

> Cherub

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This is just been from my experience in watching Cherub and assisting in

school, and if the cord is around the neck I have seen midwives loop it over

the head, if it's too tight however, I have seen them clamp the cord in two

places and cut in between. I haven't seen any twisting of any babies heads

however. Everything happens so fast, that it's sometimes hard to really

catch what is going on until we debrief about it later.

I think that would be dangerous, especially if the cord was wrapped 2 times

around a neck, which I have seen?

Again, I am just a student, and I am amongst so much knowledge, so I really

don't know, just sharing what I have experienced.

Marna

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In a message dated 3/26/99 3:59:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, Lynetrn@...

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<< Jan, 98% epi rate here! What do we do? >>

Since I don't practice with that many epidural patients, I would have to defer

to those who " specialize " in their care. Any suggestions from those of you

who use them alot for repositioning? The epidurals we have are able to change

positions pretty easily. And the docs are reluctant to give epidurals to

those whose babies are malpositioned. They use intrathecal MS for pain mgmt

until baby turns.

Jan

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