Guest guest Posted December 25, 2001 Report Share Posted December 25, 2001 > > Hi, I'm not sure I have the right group, I'm looking for the Rife > group where some guy was offering free schematics for those " scanning > zappers " that everyone in the webring is using. I wanted to just buy > one but the price keeps going up everytime someone posts a > testimonial. The guy that sells them says the offer was just another > hoax from a Rifer > Hello Mrpickyicky(love the handle).I offered construction plans for a > variable frequency " zapper " for free to anyone who wants one . Well if it's really true that you cloned his scanning zapper, can't you just post the plans for everyone to see? In the webring they're saying it was a hoax and that he's the only one that really knows how to build one, and that if you give your private email you never get the plans, you just get harrassed for not believing in regular rife machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Loved your succinct reply, Belinda! :-) Sara Re: New Member Intro I have question for the group. Has anyone tried colustrum. There is a farm in my area that will have some in Feb at $25 1/2 gallon. Is it worth it?It is absolutely worth it if you have an animal or infant under 24 hours old.Belinda To learn more about Raw Dairy, visit our home pages at http://www.midvalleyvu.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Hey Gene, It's too bad about your family....many people just won't know what's good for them even if it hits them over the nose! I've learned the same disappointing thing..if people don't want to hear you, they just won't! And you feel like you are bursting with the good news, so exciting, they would so benefit from it, (so would the grass fed cows and tending farmers) their attitude can be downright puzzling! Just keep it up. Sometimes being a model brings home the point, instead of lecturing or berating. Isn't that how the Bible goes? People fall in line only when they see for their own eyes "living breathing proof" ! You can go back in the archives, type in the search box "colostrum" and find all the emails that generated from that word! There was a flurry, definitely, I can tell you that! :-) Good luck and enjoy your time here! Sara New Member Intro Hello Everyone: My name is Gene Haines from Philadelphia Pa. I was born and raised in the city, never having been on a farm until I started drinking raw milk about 2 years ago. My family doesn't share the same enthusiam as I do for raw milk. My wife & daughter think I am nuts and my son just ignores me. Kerrygold butter can be purchased at Whole Foods and it is delicious. I just had a tablespoon. I have convinced three people to start drinking raw milk and actually purchased a quart for a lactose-intolerant co-worker. He drank the whole quart with no problems at all. I have not tried to make other products with the milk, however I would like to try. I am a member of the Weston Price Foundation and have emailed Sally Fallon on a number of health issues, to which she has always responded.I have question for the group. Has anyone tried colustrum. There is a farm in my area that will have some in Feb at $25 1/2 gallon. Is it worth it?For the new member looking for raw milk in Mass. Have you tried the Weston Price Foundation Web Site. Once you enter, click on Real Milk in the left column for farms in your state that sell it.RegardsGene To learn more about Raw Dairy, visit our home pages at http://www.midvalleyvu.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Hi, everyone! Sara just sent me the nicest little bit of hate-email that I have ever received and in it reminded me that I have not yet sent an " Intro " message about my wife and me to the group. Truth is, we joined the group quite a while back (October!) and have not really had a chance to go through the messages that have been piling up since way back then. So, I was up way too late last night reading through most of them to get a " feel " for the group and, having awakened early this morning, am now writing this email as an introduction. We are Cliff and Grunstra and are located in Western Pennsylvania. Having grown increasingly concerned about the food we were eating, we decided that the only way to be truly sure about anything in the food supply was to supply our own food. We began, in 1997, the trek towards complete (well, almost) self-sufficiency in food. We left behind our small kitchen garden and began raising vegetables in a big way (reaching better than an acre) and Sue, who was really the gardener of the family, became a Certified Penn State Master Gardener, which, in full disclosure, sounds more impressive than it really is -- although I mean no disrespect to the program and its participants, either. It's just that they are taught by the " conventional experts " and espouse " conventional wisdom. " Between 1997 and 2000, we explored lots of different thinking on growing plants, including biointensive, biodynamic, and mostly old (early 1900's and late 1800's) writings, and finally distilled parts of all of it into what we do now. From that beginning, we ventured into chickens (starting with laying hens) and, then, broilers, both raised on pasture -- no confinement for the layers, even in the winter (we just " park " their portable house until spring). Ironically, long before we ever thought of " going public " with our vegetable operation and trying to sell to others, we started selling eggs and dressed broilers to everyone we could, along with a free helping of the " why grassfed is best " philosophy. In 2000, we began our natural meats operation in earnest. We had previously started raising meat for ourselves and decided that we enjoyed it enough to expand our sales to include it, as well. We enjoy raising the animals together, although the hogs are mine to deal with, as Sue is, understandably, a bit overwhelmed when a dozen or more big pigs come running directly at you at full speed. I spend quite a bit of time with them, as I find them to have wonderfully humorous personalities, and have, more than once, gotten " an unexpected free ride " on the back of a 400 lb. sow. We now raise just about any type of meat and poultry that is consumed in America. We have begun to focus on the rare breeds, as we also believe very strongly about the need to preserve the genetic seed bank of the animal kingdom, which is being wiped out rapidly as the corporate farming world specializes to the extreme, and heirloom plants (fruits, grains, vegetables, and flowers), for the same reason. We grow what we, ourselves, want to eat: foods that are flavorful and nutritious, rather than those hybridized for simultaneous ripening and to have tough skins for shipping across the country. (Sorry, that soap box keeps popping up wherever I go!) As many of you know, one of the side benefits of raising cows and goats is that you get the best milk available, straight from the source, with no tampering, adjusting, augmenting, or anything (ah, so that's how the Raw Dairy group fits into this long ramble!). We have enjoyed drinking our own wonderful raw milk and also have made many wonderful things with the milk for ourselves. Sue has taken classes in making artisanal cheese (no, I don't know what that means, but it tastes fantastic!) and now makes all of our soap from the goat's milk, as well as providing us with another source of income. We are very lucky in that Pennsylvania currently (although there is some concern that the upcoming re-write of the regulations will change this) allows raw milk sales direct to the consumer with very little difference in the requirements from operating a " normal " dairy. And, Pennsylvanians can still sell milk for " pet " and " livestock " use, labelled: " Not for Human Consumption. " Well, we have been deluged with requests for raw dairy products, milk in particular, during the last summer vegetable season. We are not currently set up to comply with the Grade-A regulations, but have found a new farm property that is slightly larger and already has the Grade-A facilities we need. As a result, we are in the process of moving to that property and setting up a " full service " farm. The plan is to create a non-profit corporation that is supported by members through annual pledges which offset the operating costs of the farm, including the wages of the full-time farmers (us and another farming family). The members are free to come to the farm and farm directly, which is their right, or they can choose to let the farmers who have the time and skills to do so, farm in their name and on their behalf. The farm, then, is intended to supply " all " the food (grains, meats, vegetables, and, yes, raw dairy) that the members want in a year. Basically, what we're looking to do is set up a kind of " super-CSA " that functions on a somewhat different level than most. If anyone is interested in the details, I'd be happy to email our information packet, which I have been feverishly trying to get finished and which is why, along with our move, I haven't had time to read all of this group's emails before now! (This message is already far, far too long to go into more detail here. You all have been patient with me so far, but I had better not push too hard -- after all, I hardly know you at this point!) I should warn you however, that, regardless of the way the above paragraphs read, we are still very much " feeling " our way along, as we attempt to get this new farm set up. We know what we want to do, but are still developing the " how " part. That's one of the main reasons we joined this group. We want to learn what others are doing and why -- and how. Also, although we both hate the term, " networking " can frequently lead you somewhere you need to be. For instance, someone out there might be very rich and in need of a good tax deduction, which they could make to our non-profit corporation and help us get the whole thing set up, and we would hate to have them miss out on the opportunity. (Joke, please understand, joke!) We are very strong believers in the teachings and goals of the Weston A. Price Foundation and, in particular, of the need to eat meats and fats and to eat and drink RAW dairy products. We believe in eating nourishing foods filled with live, good things, rather than eating " dead " foods that can do nothing for your health, physical or otherwise. We are very good friends with the local WAPF Chapter Leader, Elise Stephinson, and are working to make our farm an educational facility to further Price's teachings. I want to thank Sara for prompting me to actually sit and go through my " stockpile " of messages and finally send my introduction. We are intrigued by much of what I read and are looking forward to some lively discussions, once life settles a bit. In the meantime, we'll try to read the messages in a bit more timely manner. Cliff Grunstra Wycliffe Community Farm Pennsylvania PS Assuming the sheer length of this message doesn't get me immediately " booted off " this group list, I promise to try and behave myself in the future by keeping my messages substantially shorter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Welcome Cliff, I loved everything you said and read it with great interest. Keep up the good work. Wycliffe Estate Farm wrote: > Hi, everyone! > > Sara just sent me the nicest little bit of hate-email that I have ever > received and in it reminded me that I have not yet sent an " Intro " > message about my wife and me to the group. Truth is, we joined the > group quite a while back (October!) and have not really had a chance > to go through the messages that have been piling up since way back > then. So, I was up way too late last night reading through most of > them to get a " feel " for the group and, having awakened early this > morning, am now writing this email as an introduction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Cliff, I wish you lived in Eastern PA, not Western! I live in Northern NJ and want precisely what you are doing closer to my home. I currently get raw milk 2 hours north of here, through a herd share program, and I buy grass-fed meat and eggs 1 hour south. I'd love to be more actively involved and invested in a farm, without actually being the farmer. My husband and I are not the farming types (we would have way too much to learn, someone would have to hold our hand for a long long time), but we are very concerned about having access to good foods. It's a scary world out there (in a lot of ways, but right now I'm referring to food!) and we have two small daughters to try to feed as well as possible. There's not a lot of open non-toxic space left near here; we live in the densest county in the densest state... I would be very interested in seeing the information packet you have put together. I can always dream. Thanks, > The plan is to create a non-profit > corporation that is supported by members through annual pledges which > offset the operating costs of the farm, including the wages of the > full-time farmers (us and another farming family). The members are free to > come to the farm and farm directly, which is their right, or they can > choose to let the farmers who have the time and skills to do so, farm in > their name and on their behalf. > > The farm, then, is intended to supply " all " the food (grains, meats, > vegetables, and, yes, raw dairy) that the members want in a > year. Basically, what we're looking to do is set up a kind of " super-CSA " > that functions on a somewhat different level than most. If anyone is > interested in the details, I'd be happy to email our information packet > > Cliff Grunstra > Wycliffe Community Farm > Pennsylvania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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