Re: response to Ben's custody case

[Guest guest]

Layla and Ben,

I second your response Layla. And Ben I am outraged that the courts

are doing this to you. That is utterly ridiculous. It really makes my skin crawl the way

Human Services and the courts can walk in and take away your rights like that. The way main stream society is afraid of raw

milk, I’m surprised they don’t require breast feeding moms to pasturize their own milk before feeding J

I hope you can fight this one because that

is so wrong and shouldn’t be happening. When the government can tell us

what we can and can’t feed our children, you know we are in trouble. I’ll be routing for you!

Candace

response to

Ben's custody case

I am sorry to hear about your courtcase with your

daughter. As a fellow

parent I have wondered whether or not my decisions

of how to raise my

daughter could be questioned by the powers that

be. I have been " set

strait " by pediatricians on such issues as

sleeping with my daughter as an

infant and delaying vacinations. I think

when we find a milk source I will

not be able to send it to school with my daughter

because it could be seen

as a dangerous practice. I am sad to think

that people cannot be in charge

of their own childrens health in our society.

Layla

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[Guest guest]

Layla,

If you send raw milk to school with your daughter, who's gonna know

unless she or you tells them? It looks the same. Tastes better.

Could you just keep it under wraps?

layla wall wrote:

I am sorry to hear about your courtcase with your daughter. As a

fellow

parent I have wondered whether or not my decisions of how to raise my

daughter could be questioned by the powers that be. I have been "set

strait" by pediatricians on such issues as sleeping with my daughter as

an

infant and delaying vacinations. I think when we find a milk source I

will

not be able to send it to school with my daughter because it could be

seen

as a dangerous practice. I am sad to think that people cannot be in

charge

of their own childrens health in our society.

Layla

[Guest guest]

Also, yes, Ben, I wanted to expresss my sympathy and support for you. 

I am really sorry and I hope you can persuade your ex.

Candace Huber wrote:

Layla and Ben,

 

I second

your response Layla.  And

Ben I am outraged that the courts

are doing this to you. That is utterly ridiculous.  It

really makes my skin crawl the way

Human Services and the courts can walk in and take away your rights

like that.  The way main stream society is

afraid of raw

milk, I’m surprised they don’t require breast feeding moms to pasturize their own milk before feeding J 

 

I hope you

can fight this one because that

is so wrong and shouldn’t be happening. When the government can tell us

what we can and can’t feed our children, you know we are in trouble.  I’ll be routing for you! 

 

Candace

 

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From: layla wall

Sent: Thursday,

February 12, 2004

11:13 PM

To:

RawDairy

Subject:

response to

Ben's custody case

 

I am sorry to hear

about your courtcase with your

daughter.  As a fellow

parent I have wondered whether or not my

decisions

of how to raise my

daughter could be questioned by the

powers that

be.  I have been "set

strait" by pediatricians on such issues

as

sleeping with my daughter as an

infant and delaying vacinations.  I

think

when we find a milk source I will

not be able to send it to school with my

daughter

because it could be seen

as a dangerous practice.  I am sad to

think

that people cannot be in charge

of their own childrens health in our

society.

                                                                            

                              

Layla

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[Guest guest]

I have been battling this for a few months now and I keep going back

and forth whether I should keep fighting or not. I actually have made

a decision to stop fighting this particular battle a few day's ago. I

was thinking about this battle and God told me, " I know you are doing

your best to care for your daughter. I know you're giving your

daughter a nutritious food. I know the truth about what you've done

for your daughter. You don't need to kill yourself trying to prove

to 'man' what I already know. What matters is that I know who you are

and you know me. " The system is too big for me to fight alone. At the

end of the day what matters to me is that my God knows who I am and

what I've tried to do, to give the child he gave me a start in life

pleasing to him. My daughter was born naturally in a birthing center,

has had one fever of 103 while teething, no vaccines, no ear

infections, no vomiting, no digestive problems, already has eight

teeth and she's not even one yet. I'm sure most members in this group

have babies like the one I have. Even though I have the healthiest

baby I know, I'm accused of " Abuse. " It's nauseating to me when I

think about this. This is why if I continue to think about how wrong

the system is, I will literally lose my health and become just like

them. I am comforted in knowing that God knows the truth about me. I

don't need to prove to " man " anything. They can belive me or not,

cause at the end of the day, they don't matter. Did I come to the

right group for venting? Thanks for listening everyone.

Ben

>

> > Layla and Ben,

> >

> >

> >

> > I second your response Layla. And Ben I am outraged that the

courts

> > are doing this to you. That is utterly ridiculous. It really

makes my

> > skin crawl the way Human Services and the courts can walk in and

take

> > away your rights like that. The way main stream society is

afraid of

> > raw milk, I'm surprised they don't require breast feeding moms to

> > pasturize their own milk before feeding J

> >

> >

> >

> > I hope you can fight this one because that is so wrong and

shouldn't

> > be happening. When the government can tell us what we can and

can't

> > feed our children, you know we are in trouble. I'll be routing

for you!

> >

> >

> >

> > Candace

> >

> >

> >

> > response to Ben's custody case

> >

> >

> >

> > I am sorry to hear about your courtcase with your daughter. As a

fellow

> > parent I have wondered whether or not my decisions of how to

raise my

> > daughter could be questioned by the powers that be. I have

been " set

> > strait " by pediatricians on such issues as sleeping with my

daughter

> > as an

> > infant and delaying vacinations. I think when we find a milk

source I

> > will

> > not be able to send it to school with my daughter because it

could be

> > seen

> > as a dangerous practice. I am sad to think that people cannot be

in

> > charge

> > of their own childrens health in our society.

>

>

> >

> > Layla

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > Keep up with high-tech trends here at " Hook'd on Technology. "

> > http://special.msn.com/msnbc/hookedontech.armx

> >

> >

> >

> > PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

--- In RawDairy , " wannabe_guru " <wannabe_guru@y...>

Did I come to the

> right group for venting? Thanks for listening everyone.

>

> Ben

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All I can say is that this is the kind of experience people should

DEFINITELY be sharing, so YES you came to the right group! It's too

easy to get lax when we can live without the problems that can pop up

so easily in our insane historical situation with these violations of

human rights and governmental institutions controlled by unethical

financial interests. We need to be reminded how important and

sensitive the status of this wonderfood is in the world right now.

The only thing I can think to mention is Ron Schmid's great book " The

Untold Story of Milk " , which you probably already have read if you're

in this group, but just in case you haven't, as far as I'm aware this

is the most powerful ammunition we have to fight these battles.

Facts and logic are there to forced upon the people who are making

these decisions about your life. I don't believe an intelligent and

logical person can read that book without accepting the safety and

wisdom of raw milk. When you have the truth on your side you need to

be confident and never give up.

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

[Guest guest]

Layla,

That is what I do. I'm really sensitive about not drawing undue attention. Y'all may remember the story related to the group recently about the State coming after my hubby after he came down with a viral infection (flu probably) wondering if he was drinking raw milk. (BTW , I don't think we even 'white lied' - we hadn't started drinking raw milk yet, though plans was in the works and the incident unsettled me somewhat but I'm a determined person, I didn't let it put me off the raw milk adventure- whew!) So I send raw milk with my boy to school - I term it as organic, which is true, and grassfed, if I care to go that far with people (usually organic satisfies them and mentioning grassfed usually requires a followup of explaining the difference between grain fed and grass fed). The food program director was totally fine with it, after I made a point to meet with her and ask about the school's policy on food: milk (organic vs non organic. Even if I convinced her raw milk is superior to pasteurized milk, she would NOT be allowed to serve raw milk in a school cafeteria, even if she has some latitude due to it being a private school), meat (I specifically asked her about irradiated beef) and so forth.

I don't get a price break from sending milk to school and not using the school's milk, but that's totally fine with me! I'd rather my boy skip drinking our raw milk than drink that boiled cooked slop that passes for milk! Oink!

Sara

Layla,If you send raw milk to school with your daughter, who's gonna know unless she or you tells them? It looks the same. Tastes better. Could you just keep it under wraps?

[Guest guest]

Ya know, the thing I just can't comprehend is how the courts can get

away with something like that when Raw Milk is legal for sale in some

states. I mean come on, I could understand if they were trying to

get you for the illegal purchase or sale of the product, but ABUSE of

your child??? This just outrages me because it could so easily

happen to me. I can understand wanting to avoid the energy drain

that a fight has and will continue to cause. I just wish you had a

better attorney or a group behind so you didn't have to fight it

alone. This group needs to identify some dynamic, bright, powerful

attorneys and train them up on the issues of Raw Milk so they can

defend these tragedies! I am just crying for you! You sir, will be

in my prayers.-Danna

PS-We need to keep the names and contact info. of any attorneys who

have dealt with the raw milk issue on file here!! You never know

when you or your attorney may need to consult with them!

[Guest guest]

There is a national attempt to identify a legal firm that would be interested in having clients like us. The idea is to model this legal safety net like the effective service available to Home Schoolers. Send any information you might have of interested lawyers to the Westin A Price email.

Ted

Re: response to Ben's custody case

Ya know, the thing I just can't comprehend is how the courts can get away with something like that when Raw Milk is legal for sale in some states. I mean come on, I could understand if they were trying to get you for the illegal purchase or sale of the product, but ABUSE of your child??? This just outrages me because it could so easily happen to me. I can understand wanting to avoid the energy drain that a fight has and will continue to cause. I just wish you had a better attorney or a group behind so you didn't have to fight it alone. This group needs to identify some dynamic, bright, powerful attorneys and train them up on the issues of Raw Milk so they can defend these tragedies! I am just crying for you! You sir, will be in my prayers.-DannaPS-We need to keep the names and contact info. of any attorneys who have dealt with the raw milk issue on file here!! You never know when you or your attorney may need to consult with them!PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!

[Guest guest]

I live in Kansas and selling of raw milk is leagal to the end

consumer on the farm. I would lay in bed at nights filled with anger

wanting to fight and " get them " for the frutration I'm feeling and

the loss of my right to parent my child. Then I think about how I

would go about fighting this and it becomes a daunting task and the

thought of it wears me out.

To add to the frustration, I have been ordered to pay almost $2000.00

to go have myself evaluated by a psychologist to see if I'm a as fit

a parent as my ex. My ex also has to be evaluated.

My lawyer is appealing the findings report made by the SRS. So now

what I need is, cited material showing that raw goat's milk has

benificial proporties that shows the likelihood of contracting e-

coli, salmonella, TB, camp., listeria etc. is about as likely as

getting hit by lighting. So, if there is anyone here who can lead me

or send me cited material where research was done in a University or

other research institutions which the court system will be more

inclined to listen to, I'd very much appreciate it.

Thanks again everyone,

Ben

> Ya know, the thing I just can't comprehend is how the courts can

get

> away with something like that when Raw Milk is legal for sale in

some

> states. I mean come on, I could understand if they were trying to

> get you for the illegal purchase or sale of the product, but ABUSE

of

> your child??? This just outrages me because it could so easily

> happen to me. I can understand wanting to avoid the energy drain

> that a fight has and will continue to cause. I just wish you had a

> better attorney or a group behind so you didn't have to fight it

> alone. This group needs to identify some dynamic, bright, powerful

> attorneys and train them up on the issues of Raw Milk so they can

> defend these tragedies! I am just crying for you! You sir, will be

> in my prayers.-Danna

> PS-We need to keep the names and contact info. of any attorneys who

> have dealt with the raw milk issue on file here!! You never know

> when you or your attorney may need to consult with them!

[Guest guest]

Ben,

I don’t know if this can help but

here is a supplemental report on raw milk in California; http://www.karlloren.com/aajonus/p15.htm

Maybe you can contact some of the people

that put this together to see if they have any legal advice for you. I understand how you feel about fighting

the system it seems like a daunting task.

Yet maybe this will help to bring people together to rally for our civil

liberties. I know that I will do

what I can and I am sure all members of this board will as well. There are many groups out there fighting

for our freedom. Maybe you can

contact some of them to see if they can lead you in the right direction. I used to have a list of links but I

lost them when my computer broke down. If I can relocate some of them I will

send them onto you. I would also

contact the leaders in the fight for raw milk: Ron Schmid, ND, Sally Fallon, and others.

If they are pro-raw milk then they might be able to give you some advice

on how to fight this thing. They

might also have reports and documentation that can use to prove that feeding

your daughter raw milk is not abusive but beneficial. There has got to be reports and

documentation out there to support your claims so keep looking.

Goodluck and keep us posted.

Candace

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