Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Hi Steve I have questions on what you have wrote. First I want to start by saying that reading some of the group mail's includung yours, sometimes frustrates me because, I read what is written, and it is not true for me - yet, and I feel that I have such a long way... In this case, I even didnt understant what you have wrote :-) I hope that reading will open my perceptions to other ideas. You wrote: > For me, the probem here is confusion about what it is that you would really need or want. This appears to be based upon an assumption that in order to " be happy " you would need to " be home with your family " or " you need your arm back " . Actually, as says, " All we ever want is to be happy! " . So for me, what Mona wrote says that if I get clear about what it is that I truly want/need then I will discover that I had it all the time but could not recognize it because of the projection of my confused thinking that I want/need what is to be different in order to have what I think I want. ####STOP HERE: MY QUESTION IS: If I were to be kidnapped and I will have the thoght: I want to be home with my famely is is a lie because: I want to be with my family in order to... BE HAPPY. We are not talking here about if i had a magic stick, where would I had rather be: With my family or with the kidnapers in the wood. It is not about it wright? You are saying that what i really want is to be happy (and I agree with you) Having the thought: I want to be home with my family the thought itself, depressses me - because in reality I canot be there. So if I want to be I happy, The thought: " I want to be with my family " is a lie (Not because idealy - I dont want it, but since I canot have it, it brings stress and prevent me from being happy. If I could think - What is is what I want, I want to be in the forest with these strangers, I would be much calmer. Did I get it wright? You wrote: I once heard her give an example of being in a room with other people > and a man enters the room with a bomb and throws it at the people. > She says that one " spiritually evolved individual would " run like > hell " and another may just sit there and file their nails and think > how lovely the bomb looks passing through the air and think " he > thinks he wants to kill someone. " ####STOP HERE: Did I miss something? The other person will say that because: I didnt want to kill anyone he wants to be happy, He is conffused, thinking that throwing the bomb will cause him relief Did i get it wright? You wrote: > in which says: " But to get the baby back (i.e. the baby that > the Nazi tossed in the fire) is to give you less. > It is to give you a Band-Aid and it serves nothing. It perpetuates. > No true healing has occurred, only a higher density of fear. How do > I know that this would give you less? What is, is the highest order. ####STOP HERE: Why getting the baby back is to give less? Another thing When says: I am not a spiritual person I just know the defren between what hearts and what doesn't. In the context of not arguing with what is i uderstand. If someone will say to me my father should'nt have kill himself, I can understand saying - he should because he did, and it heart when I argue with it. This approach, is something I can relate, I dont now anything, I just know that arguing with reality hearts. But... saying that it is the highest order, that I dont get. Is it true? I dont know :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Dear Tami, Loving-what-is is about loving what is. So with the kidnappers, at home with the family, having a long way, things not being true for you… that is what is, as long as you perceive it that way. Love it! And I wouldn't bother to try understanding everything of it. As there may be things you can not understand, before you are ready for them. The four questions are a good roadmap inside of you, where you will eventually find the truth. So if you have a thought, that bothers you, or makes you sad, or angry, put it against the four questions. Love, Am 03.08.2004 um 08:48 schrieb Tami: > Hi Steve > > > I have questions on what you have wrote. > First I want to start by saying that reading some of the group > mail's includung yours, sometimes frustrates me > because, I read what is written, and it is not true for me - yet, > and I feel that I have such a long way... > > In this case, I even didnt understant what you have wrote :-) > I hope that reading will open my perceptions to other ideas. > > You wrote: > > > For me, the probem here is confusion about what it is that you > would really need or want. This appears to be based upon an > assumption that in order to " be happy " you would need to " be home > with your family " or " you need your arm back " . > Actually, as says, " All we ever want is to be happy! " . So for > me, what Mona wrote says that if I get clear about what it is that I > truly want/need then I will discover that I had it all the time but > could not recognize it because of the projection of my confused > thinking that I want/need what is to be different in order to have > what I think I want. > > > ####STOP HERE: > > MY QUESTION IS: > If I were to be kidnapped and I will have the thoght: > I want to be home with my famely is is a lie > because: > I want to be with my family > in order to... > BE HAPPY. > We are not talking here about > if i had a magic stick, where would I had rather be: > With my family or with the kidnapers in the wood. > It is not about it wright? > You are saying that what i really want is to be happy > (and I agree with you) > Having the thought: I want to be home with my family > the thought itself, depressses me - because > in reality I canot be there. > So if I want to be I happy, > The thought: " I want to be with my family " is a lie > (Not because idealy - I dont want it, > but since I canot have it, it brings stress > and prevent me from being happy. > If I could think - What is is what I want, > I want to be in the forest with these strangers, > I would be much calmer. > > Did I get it wright? > > > You wrote: > > I once heard her give an example of being in a room with other people > > and a man enters the room with a bomb and throws it at the people. > > She says that one " spiritually evolved individual would " run like > > hell " and another may just sit there and file their nails and think > > how lovely the bomb looks passing through the air and think " he > > thinks he wants to kill someone. " > > ####STOP HERE: > > Did I miss something? > The other person will say that because: > I didnt want to kill anyone > he wants to be happy, > He is conffused, thinking that throwing the bomb > will cause him relief > > Did i get it wright? > > > You wrote: > > > in which says: " But to get the baby back (i.e. the baby that > > the Nazi tossed in the fire) is to give you less. > > It is to give you a Band-Aid and it serves nothing. It perpetuates. > > No true healing has occurred, only a higher density of fear. How do > > I know that this would give you less? What is, is the highest order. > > ####STOP HERE: > > Why getting the baby back is to give less? > > Another thing > When says: > I am not a spiritual person > I just know the defren between what hearts and what doesn't. > In the context of not arguing with what is i uderstand. > If someone will say to me my father should'nt have > kill himself, I can understand saying - he should > because he did, and it heart when I argue with it. > This approach, is something I can relate, > I dont now anything, I just know that arguing with reality hearts. > But... saying that it is the highest order, that I dont get. > Is it true? > I dont know > > :-) > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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