Re: Some reflections on pain and suffering - Steve

[Guest guest]

> Andy,

>

> You asked:

>

> " *****Are the above comments drawing an equivalence in the feeling,

> sensation, and satisfaction of meeting someone in thought alone

> (absent their physical presence, a presence which can be 'tested' by

> taste, touch, sight, and smell), and meeting someone in thought & in

> person? "

>

> Yes, that is what I have heard do on several occasions. She

> told one man whose wife had recently died that his wife had only

> existed as a story in his mind both before and after her death and

> if he thinks he needed something to touch, then he should get

> himself a stuffed animal.

>

Thanks for sharing that Steve

What a contrast in how sanity deals with death (suffering/loss), and

how insanity deals with death/loss.

In a second dispells the nightmare with the very simplest of

truths. The question is, can I hear it.

Loving what is ...

[Guest guest]

> Dear lovetheworkof bk,

>

> I too can not find any proof of " unconscious thoughts " ; however, I

> also can not find any proof of " unrecognized thoughts " .

>

> For me, if a thought is unconscious or unrecognized then it does

> not exist. All of this is, for me, just another story.

>

Lets play with this a little Steve

My proof of an unrecognized thought would be that I am feeling

stressed, or depressed or any other " negative " feeling. Now if I am

feeling anything (as I am sure you know) there must be a thought

which is the cause. At the moment I may not be aware of the thought,

but I have attached to it or I would not be feeling bad. This to me

is an unrecognized thought. also speaks of underlying beliefs.

Does this make more sense?

Loving what is ...

[Guest guest]

Dear lovetheworkofbk,

Thank you for the clarification. Yes. Of course there are thoughts,

stories and/or concepts that I may not wish to or be " willing to "

acknowledge at any given moment. When I do The Work, I appear to

become aware of concepts that I did not realize I had.

For me, doing The Work is giving my permission or acknowledging my

own willingness to the Heart, or as I refer to it - The Holy Spirit -

to bring these to my awareness for a look-see. :-)

So based upon the above, I guess referring to these thoughts

as " unrecognized thoughts " or " unconscious thoughts " is proper. I

just feel that we would be " splitting hairs " to try to argue which

term is more correct. But, obviously, I could again be wrong.

Love, Steve D.

> > Dear lovetheworkof bk,

> >

> > I too can not find any proof of " unconscious thoughts " ; however,

I

> > also can not find any proof of " unrecognized thoughts " .

> >

> > For me, if a thought is unconscious or unrecognized then it does

> > not exist. All of this is, for me, just another story.

> >

>

> Lets play with this a little Steve

>

> My proof of an unrecognized thought would be that I am feeling

> stressed, or depressed or any other " negative " feeling. Now if I am

> feeling anything (as I am sure you know) there must be a thought

> which is the cause. At the moment I may not be aware of the

thought,

> but I have attached to it or I would not be feeling bad. This to me

> is an unrecognized thought. also speaks of underlying beliefs.

>

> Does this make more sense?

>

> Loving what is ...