Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 > > > > can you absolutely know it's true that they will have an addiction > problem > > later? what constitutes an addiction " problem " ? You don't see > people > > murdering to get xanax. Usually people stay at the same dosage and > don't need to > > keep increasing it. Coffee is extremely physically addictive; that > doesn't > > make it a " problem " . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Good point.. If you cant avoid the pain anyway i still dont see what good pills do than.. I do know it makes kids sit still in a chair at school and later they are much more likely to become addicts because ritalin is addictive. I do know they give it to elderly ... the main one is lorazepam.. they get sleepy and will do what you ask till the drug doesnt work and then it makes them angry and sometimes even violent. Its suppose to calm people down what i have found is it works till it makes them crazy then it doesnt work anymore. They give people prozac and when i told a lady i thought it caused violent behavior she got so angry with me at a depression group I thought she was going to beat me up in the parking lot so i said well i guess it works for some people.. so she would calm down. I have a freind on Zanax who can not get out of bed and most of the time i call her she is either just getting up or going to bed and she is allowed one activity a day.. she went to soemthimg for anxiety to soemthing for panic and back and forth and nothing works.. till now her dog is even on the stuff. Ive read pscyhiatry ultimate betrayal which has documented horror stories of people on various drugs and various institutions. IVe gotten articles from newspapers from a prozac survioros group of people who have committed murder on prozac. CAn i know what is right ..? No can i give an opinon based on what i have seen in my lifetime.. yes. love, roslyn -- In Loving-what-is , " " <skogsnuvan@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > can you absolutely know it's true that they will have an > addiction > > problem > > > later? what constitutes an addiction " problem " ? You don't see > > people > > > murdering to get xanax. Usually people stay at the same dosage > and > > don't need to > > > keep increasing it. Coffee is extremely physically addictive; > that > > doesn't > > > make it a " problem " . > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 > > > > > > > > can you absolutely know it's true that they will have an > > addiction > > > problem > > > > later? what constitutes an addiction " problem " ? You don't see > > > people > > > > murdering to get xanax. Usually people stay at the same dosage > > and > > > don't need to > > > > keep increasing it. Coffee is extremely physically addictive; > > that > > > doesn't > > > > make it a " problem " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 > > > Then we have the other kind of pills like Xanax and my sleeping > pills Imovane, that is supposed to be highly addictive. They are > like band-aid. They can make you feel happy and calm and peaceful > for a while. What good can they do, you asked. Well, feeling > happy, calm and peaceful for a little while is pretty nice. > Especially when you are living in hell day after day after day... > My 2 cents worth ... For me the trouble with pills is that you are treating an effect (painful feelings) and entirely ignoring the cause (thought). Yes, pills can give you relief from your unexamined stressful thinking for a short period of time, but the trouble is that stresful thinking continues on and when the drugs wear off you are back in hell again. Now one could take drugs for the rest of one's life, but that ends up being very expensive and one is a slave to having to pop pills everyday. Persoanally I would prefer to treat the real cause of my anxiety attacks or sleeping problems i.e. my unexamined stressful thoughts, with the Work and have no need for pills at all. Right now I take no medication of any type and I have never been happier. If I had an anxiety attack I would undo the stressful thougths causing it rather than waste my time with pills of any kind. Popping pills, just like addictive smoking, excessive shopping, having an affair are all highly approved of by my ego, because I am looking for a solution to my suffering where it can never be found. Have a beautiful day " The old song asks, " Why do fools fall in love? " Actually, only fools don't fall in love. Only a fool would believe the lonely, stressful thoughts that tell him that anything could separate him from another human being, or from the rest of the human race, or from birds, trees, pavement, and sky. " Byron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 You could be right, but one thing you wrote is not true. " Now one could take drugs for the rest of one's life, but that ends up being very expensive and one is a slave to having to pop pills everyday. " It´s not very expansive in Sweden, not even expensive. And the part of being a slave. I am only a slave if I believe I am one. The thought that I am a slave to my pills never crossed my mind. If there were no pills I might get my panic anxiety attacks back, and I know how to live with them. I did that for 18 years. And now I also have the Work. We all have our preferences. You prefer to do the Work and never take any pills. I prefer to do both. We are so alike, you and me. We both do what we think is best for us, no matter what other tells us. Love, > > My 2 cents worth ... > > For me the trouble with pills is that you are treating an effect > (painful feelings) and entirely ignoring the cause (thought). Yes, > pills can give you relief from your unexamined stressful thinking for > a short period of time, but the trouble is that stresful thinking > continues on and when the drugs wear off you are back in hell again. > > Now one could take drugs for the rest of one's life, but that ends up > being very expensive and one is a slave to having to pop pills > everyday. Persoanally I would prefer to treat the real cause of my > anxiety attacks or sleeping problems i.e. my unexamined stressful > thoughts, with the Work and have no need for pills at all. > > Right now I take no medication of any type and I have never been > happier. If I had an anxiety attack I would undo the stressful > thougths causing it rather than waste my time with pills of any kind. > Popping pills, just like addictive smoking, excessive shopping, having > an affair are all highly approved of by my ego, because I am looking > for a solution to my suffering where it can never be found. > > Have a beautiful day > > > " The old song asks, " Why do fools fall in love? " Actually, only fools > don't fall in love. Only a fool would believe the lonely, stressful > thoughts that tell him that anything could separate him from another > human being, or from the rest of the human race, or from birds, trees, > pavement, and sky. " Byron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 No .. I know i should not be in anothers business.. I have panic around an old boyfriend but since i see him rarely- as we live in different states. .. its ok..I literally pass out. So i know what thats like - very scary . Also I have a lot of fear around flying and i will be flying to my sisters.. well there isnt any other way to get there. now. I have decided to trust that what ever happens is in divine order and if you dont hear from me in a couple weeks. its been fun writing on here and reading all these great emails from all of you. ... love and blessings to everyone. Happy Thanksgiving. Love, roslyn -- In Loving-what-is , " " <skogsnuvan@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > can you absolutely know it's true that they will have an > > > addiction > > > > problem > > > > > later? what constitutes an addiction " problem " ? You > don't see > > > > people > > > > > murdering to get xanax. Usually people stay at the same > dosage > > > and > > > > don't need to > > > > > keep increasing it. Coffee is extremely physically > addictive; > > > that > > > > doesn't > > > > > make it a " problem " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 my 2 cents worth too AS you all know i dont take pills either and i have done the work on Dell and i still would pass out if he was around.. I suppose i need to do the work more I think it may have something to do with a past life experience as well. I wish panic was more easily cured. And i suppose people have cured panic with the work . SO far i havent. oh well.. I do read a lot.. FLo my teacher used to say " everything is in divine order. " KAtie says " nothing terrible has ever happened " and Daya Mata says " there are no accidents. " (president of Self Realization) Price in Living a life of joy.. writes.. " Theres no sense worrying about anything , everything is just fine. " I wish i believed that one.. Guess i need the work.. He also writes.. " This is the day, the moment , that i turn away from sadness and sorrow, from lack and limitation, from conflict and chaos. I know this is a benevolent universe and that i was created to live in gladness, abundance, and harmony. " How do you do that without the work though ??.. id love to turn away from sadness but i havent much in this life because i have argued with reality. I suppose he is suggesting changing from a belief in lack to one that the universe is good. as says the direct route is to beleive everything is God and everything is Good . love, roslyn > > > > > > Then we have the other kind of pills like Xanax and my sleeping > > pills Imovane, that is supposed to be highly addictive. They are > > like band-aid. They can make you feel happy and calm and peaceful > > for a while. What good can they do, you asked. Well, feeling > > happy, calm and peaceful for a little while is pretty nice. > > Especially when you are living in hell day after day after day... > > > > > My 2 cents worth ... > > For me the trouble with pills is that you are treating an effect > (painful feelings) and entirely ignoring the cause (thought). Yes, > pills can give you relief from your unexamined stressful thinking for > a short period of time, but the trouble is that stresful thinking > continues on and when the drugs wear off you are back in hell again. > > Now one could take drugs for the rest of one's life, but that ends up > being very expensive and one is a slave to having to pop pills > everyday. Persoanally I would prefer to treat the real cause of my > anxiety attacks or sleeping problems i.e. my unexamined stressful > thoughts, with the Work and have no need for pills at all. > > Right now I take no medication of any type and I have never been > happier. If I had an anxiety attack I would undo the stressful > thougths causing it rather than waste my time with pills of any kind. > Popping pills, just like addictive smoking, excessive shopping, having > an affair are all highly approved of by my ego, because I am looking > for a solution to my suffering where it can never be found. > > Have a beautiful day > > > " The old song asks, " Why do fools fall in love? " Actually, only fools > don't fall in love. Only a fool would believe the lonely, stressful > thoughts that tell him that anything could separate him from another > human being, or from the rest of the human race, or from birds, trees, > pavement, and sky. " Byron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 I do the work but dont get very good results.. like tami.. sometimes i feel it doesnt work for me.. is it because i want to be right? maybe. Or i want an end result like no depression. anyway I love reading your posts and your work always seems to make a lot of sense. I also love listening to katie doing the work with other people I think some of it might rub off on me. I guess i wrote all that negative stuff because i think tami is too hard on herself and i dont think she needs pills. Ive been through sadness. Ive had a nervous breakdown. If i can make it through she can. love, roslyn -- In Loving-what-is , " " <skogsnuvan@y...> wrote: > > > > You could be right, but one thing you wrote is not true. > > " Now one could take drugs for the rest of one's life, but that ends > up being very expensive and one is a slave to having to pop pills > everyday. " > > It´s not very expansive in Sweden, not even expensive. And the part > of being a slave. I am only a slave if I believe I am one. The > thought that I am a slave to my pills never crossed my mind. If > there were no pills I might get my panic anxiety attacks back, and I > know how to live with them. I did that for 18 years. And now I also > have the Work. > > We all have our preferences. You prefer to do the Work and never > take any pills. I prefer to do both. We are so alike, you and me. We > both do what we think is best for us, no matter what other tells us. > > Love, > > > > > My 2 cents worth ... > > > > For me the trouble with pills is that you are treating an effect > > (painful feelings) and entirely ignoring the cause (thought). Yes, > > pills can give you relief from your unexamined stressful thinking > for > > a short period of time, but the trouble is that stresful thinking > > continues on and when the drugs wear off you are back in hell > again. > > > > Now one could take drugs for the rest of one's life, but that ends > up > > being very expensive and one is a slave to having to pop pills > > everyday. Persoanally I would prefer to treat the real cause of my > > anxiety attacks or sleeping problems i.e. my unexamined stressful > > thoughts, with the Work and have no need for pills at all. > > > > Right now I take no medication of any type and I have never been > > happier. If I had an anxiety attack I would undo the stressful > > thougths causing it rather than waste my time with pills of any > kind. > > Popping pills, just like addictive smoking, excessive shopping, > having > > an affair are all highly approved of by my ego, because I am > looking > > for a solution to my suffering where it can never be found. > > > > Have a beautiful day > > > > > > " The old song asks, " Why do fools fall in love? " Actually, only > fools > > don't fall in love. Only a fool would believe the lonely, > stressful > > thoughts that tell him that anything could separate him from > another > > human being, or from the rest of the human race, or from birds, > trees, > > pavement, and sky. " Byron > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 > > > > > > > > > Then we have the other kind of pills like Xanax and my sleeping > > > pills Imovane, that is supposed to be highly addictive. They are > > > like band-aid. They can make you feel happy and calm and peaceful > > > for a while. What good can they do, you asked. Well, feeling > > > happy, calm and peaceful for a little while is pretty nice. > > > Especially when you are living in hell day after day after day... > > > > > > > > > My 2 cents worth ... > > > > For me the trouble with pills is that you are treating an effect > > (painful feelings) and entirely ignoring the cause (thought). Yes, > > pills can give you relief from your unexamined stressful thinking for > > a short period of time, but the trouble is that stresful thinking > > continues on and when the drugs wear off you are back in hell again. > > > > Now one could take drugs for the rest of one's life, but that ends up > > being very expensive and one is a slave to having to pop pills > > everyday. Persoanally I would prefer to treat the real cause of my > > anxiety attacks or sleeping problems i.e. my unexamined stressful > > thoughts, with the Work and have no need for pills at all. > > > > Right now I take no medication of any type and I have never been > > happier. If I had an anxiety attack I would undo the stressful > > thougths causing it rather than waste my time with pills of any kind. > > Popping pills, just like addictive smoking, excessive shopping, having > > an affair are all highly approved of by my ego, because I am looking > > for a solution to my suffering where it can never be found. > > > > Have a beautiful day > > > > > > " The old song asks, " Why do fools fall in love? " Actually, only fools > > don't fall in love. Only a fool would believe the lonely, stressful > > thoughts that tell him that anything could separate him from another > > human being, or from the rest of the human race, or from birds, trees, > > pavement, and sky. " Byron > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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