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> I hope I'm not being a pain but I've got to say something before I

get crazy

> with the number of posts. I belong to native-nutrition and other

similar

> groups where all sorts of WPF and NT are discussed. This, I

thought, was going to

> be limited to dairy. Really don't want to add this group to

my " read 'um when

> there's time " bunch but the topic isn't really raw dairy all the

time anymore

> and duplicates the other groups in many areas.

>

> Thanks for putting up with the grump,

>

> Belinda

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thanks Belinda, I agree. I've felt awkward posting about all these

non-dairy topics, but I'm just responding to other people's posts and

I don't want to ignore them if I have some thoughts to share. I'd

prefer to keep non-dairy on native-nutrition where the discussion

would be better. This list is a great idea though, because raw dairy

is such a hugely important topic.

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

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Hey Mike,

I don't think she's referring to the calcium/protein/bones posts

though. That certainly has to do with raw dairy.

Anton wrote:

>

> thanks Belinda, I agree. I've felt awkward posting about all these

> non-dairy topics, but I'm just responding to other people's posts and

> I don't want to ignore them if I have some thoughts to share. I'd

> prefer to keep non-dairy on native-nutrition where the discussion

> would be better. This list is a great idea though, because raw dairy

> is such a hugely important topic.

>

> Mike

> SE Pennsylvania

>

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Agree 100%.

There's " native-nutrition " , " beyondprice " , and the new one Sara

started, " discussingnt " for more general nutrition stuff, which is

off-topic here. There's nothing wrong with going on a tangent, but

perhaps most tangents should be kept offlist (private e-mail between

two, or posted to one of the above groups).

Tom

> I hope I'm not being a pain but I've got to say something before I

get crazy

> with the number of posts. I belong to native-nutrition and other

similar

> groups where all sorts of WPF and NT are discussed. This, I thought,

was going to

> be limited to dairy. Really don't want to add this group to my " read

'um when

> there's time " bunch but the topic isn't really raw dairy all the

time anymore

> and duplicates the other groups in many areas.

>

> Thanks for putting up with the grump,

>

> Belinda

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But one thing I want to stress is that this chat list IS after all,

about a food product and that can have some nutritional topics in it.

There's bound to be some overlap between Native Nutrition and Nourishing

Traditions topics. It doesn't bother me at all. Saying this

affectionately, don't worry Belinda, we're all grumpy sometimes. ;-)

Tom wrote:

> Agree 100%.

>

> There's " native-nutrition " , " beyondprice " , and the new one Sara

> started, " discussingnt " for more general nutrition stuff, which is

> off-topic here. There's nothing wrong with going on a tangent, but

> perhaps most tangents should be kept offlist (private e-mail between

> two, or posted to one of the above groups).

>

> Tom

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I agree with Tom and Belinda. I don't have a problem with

occasional off topic posts, but I joined this board to find out

about raw dairy, FIND raw dairy, and understand the issues around

raw dairy. From the getgo, Janet asked for our help. I don't want

to lose focus on that.

I belong to 7 other boards that wander all over the nutrition

terrain, from BARF (Bones and Raw Food - for dogs) to Kefir, coconut

oil, and NT. So, for me it becomes redundant on this board.

Kefir belongs here, as do discussions about calcium absorption.

Maybe osteoporosis, too. But I don't want to lose focus on making

raw dairy available, across the country. You lucky pips that have

raw dairy should not become complacent. Most raw dairy farmers risk

their livelihood for you. Until they are safe, none of us are.

Let's welcome all comers, get to know each other, but stay on track.

-Blair

('pip' is a loving term, btw... Has lots of definitions, but the one

I use is Latin. It's " primus inter pares " which translates to " first

among equals " ...)

> Agree 100%.

>

> There's " native-nutrition " , " beyondprice " , and the new one Sara

> started, " discussingnt " for more general nutrition stuff, which is

> off-topic here. There's nothing wrong with going on a tangent, but

> perhaps most tangents should be kept offlist (private e-mail

between

> two, or posted to one of the above groups).

>

> Tom

>

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Good comments, Blair. I especially like the comment below. It's true,

we must not become complacent!

And yay Latin! Didn't know " primus inter pares " .

Tom

> You lucky pips that have

> raw dairy should not become complacent. Most raw dairy farmers risk

> their livelihood for you. Until they are safe, none of us are.

>

> ('pip' is a loving term, btw... Has lots of definitions, but the one

> I use is Latin. It's " primus inter pares " which translates to " first

> among equals " ...)

>

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I think you are on the right track and think there is great benefit in all discussions of health and nutrition. Leviticus in regards to Milk & Meat I think has some strong merit.

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Allow me to clarify this once and for all. The description created by

Janet herself in the yahoo group description of this group is as

follows:

Welcome to Raw Dairy! Here we

will explore the health benefits of

consuming raw dairy products (Milk, Buttermilk, Yogurt, Kefir, Butter.

If you're a farmer looking for a way to make raw dairy products

available to the public, or if you're a consumer looking for raw dairy

products, this is a common meeting place for all.

The only thing that seems to be mentioned here is health

benefits of raw dairy products, and then also people meeting one

another, farmers and consumers. That being said, there is bound to be

nutrition overlap when you mention the "health benefits" of raw dairy

products. If you don't like it so be it (feeling a bit grumpy myself

this morning) but that's how it is. It is also a place to get to know

one another and ask about each other--a common meeting place for all.

It isn't totally about the Brunners alsothough we do care, and want to

help them. It isn't totally about politics, although that enters into

things when we discuss raw dairy, since we are trying to help make it

legal. Its about the things mentioned in the description. That can be

very broad. Anytime you are in doubt, go back and read this

description of the chat group. But may I also just interject that we

should be merciful to each other if someone slips up. I try to be.

We're just human after all. :-)

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I understnd you grump! He He! I have found though, that raw milk and other

natural nutritional issues come up for me at least. I am certainly not the

moderator and I try to keep on subject but milk is such a narrow subject.

Sunnie

>From: bilherbs@...

>Reply-To: RawDairy

>To: RawDairy

>Subject: Posts

>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:54:09 EST

>

>I hope I'm not being a pain but I've got to say something before I get

>crazy

>with the number of posts. I belong to native-nutrition and other similar

>groups where all sorts of WPF and NT are discussed. This, I thought, was

>going to

>be limited to dairy. Really don't want to add this group to my " read 'um

>when

>there's time " bunch but the topic isn't really raw dairy all the time

>anymore

>and duplicates the other groups in many areas.

>

>Thanks for putting up with the grump,

>

>Belinda

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