Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 I was asked off list about what we are trying to teach manding for attention. We have for about 5 weeks prompted this and have yet to encounter an unprompted response. We are also modeling manding for attention - for example, we jump high on the trampoline and say to Grace: " watch how high I can jump " or " look at how high I am jumping. The list of targets: Making a basket(as in basketball not weaving like my therapist thought when they saw the data sheet!) Jumping high on trampoline Puzzle Potato head Painting/drawing Cute hairdo(my daughter like ponytails for about 1-2 minutes and looks at herself a lot in the mirror while it is up, this one really a " girl " thing) Tall block tower Riding in her toy car with a doll The therapist or I prompt her to say to the other one " look at this " . " look what I did " " watch this " or some similar phrase. When there is only one adult it is considerably trickier and mostly we model it for her. Any other suggestions on fading our prompt? Has anyone used a vibrating pager or timer to encourage initiation of this skill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 , Is the person she is to mand attention from also using another reinforcer when she approaches them? For example: If your daughter loves a certian candy...after your daughter is prompted by the second person to go show her picture to mom...she approaches mom and is prompted to mand for her attention... " mom, look at my picture " . Mom would then immediately respond to her with oohs and aahs but also hand her a piece of candy as she is doing so. Sometimes it helps using extra reinforcement for a behavior that you want to increase, at first, then slowly fade this out to only the reinforcement of your attention. Just a thought, and I have seen it work. It is also helpful to have more than one person for her to go mand attention from during a session....from mom she would then go to grandma to show her picture, then maybe dad, then a sibling...each following the same procedure. Getting more trials may help her aquire this skill more quickly. Pamela Fowler " J.M. & M.E. Christian " <chri977@...> wrote: I was asked off list about what we are trying to teach manding for attention. We have for about 5 weeks prompted this and have yet to encounter an unprompted response. We are also modeling manding for attention - for example, we jump high on the trampoline and say to Grace: " watch how high I can jump " or " look at how high I am jumping. The list of targets: Making a basket(as in basketball not weaving like my therapist thought when they saw the data sheet!) Jumping high on trampoline Puzzle Potato head Painting/drawing Cute hairdo(my daughter like ponytails for about 1-2 minutes and looks at herself a lot in the mirror while it is up, this one really a " girl " thing) Tall block tower Riding in her toy car with a doll The therapist or I prompt her to say to the other one " look at this " . " look what I did " " watch this " or some similar phrase. When there is only one adult it is considerably trickier and mostly we model it for her. Any other suggestions on fading our prompt? Has anyone used a vibrating pager or timer to encourage initiation of this skill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Are you establishing that there is some tangible way that you add to the experience by your attention? Ie., are you conditioning the attention as a reinforcer? It so happens this is also something we are working on too. We use tapping on the thigh which is the present prompt level to my son to come over and tap me on the thigh and say, " hey, Daddy! " . When he has an MO for me to see something he did (eg., I'll give him a chocolate chip if he shows me a completed puzzle), if he doesn't come over on his own, I just keep facing away from him but I tap my thigh and that works (we're at the point where he'll come over and get my attention maybe 10-20% of the situations that occur.) It becomes a sort of joint control teaching method--ie., delayed mimetic (independent tapping) + MO controls the response even after the prompt is gone. We started with the full prompt and have gotten down to the subtle thigh tap. (Hey, I just got one of those taps from behind just now as I was typing--he said, " Daddy! " . I turned around and said " What? " . He said, " Come pick up Greggory from the computer " --Greggory is his brother hogging the computer. :-) Of course there's the other little mands for attention such as saying, " here! " , when he wants to give me something. Just about any exclamation ( " wow " , " ouch " , " it's too hot! " ) also usually functions as a mand for attention and we try to reinforce it accordingly (ie., by giving attention + some extra reinforcing if possible). These are those things I think some SLP's might call " declarative " or maybe even " non-instrumental " language, but of course they are mands--ie., very instrumental indeed. (Warning! I'm a parent. I make $0/hour giving ABA advice.) Bart > [ ] manding for attention > > > > >I was asked off list about what we are trying to teach manding >for attention. We have for about 5 weeks prompted this and >have yet to encounter an unprompted response. We are also >modeling manding for attention - for example, we jump high on >the trampoline and say to Grace: " watch how high I can jump " >or " look at how high I am jumping. The list of targets: Making >a basket(as in basketball not weaving like my therapist >thought when they saw the data sheet!) Jumping high on >trampoline Puzzle Potato head Painting/drawing Cute hairdo(my >daughter like ponytails for about 1-2 minutes and looks at >herself a lot in the mirror while it is up, this one really a > " girl " thing) Tall block tower Riding in her toy car with a >doll The therapist or I prompt her to say to the other >one " look at this " . " look what I did " " watch this " or some >similar phrase. When there is only one adult it is >considerably trickier and mostly we model it for her. Any >other suggestions on fading our prompt? Has anyone used a >vibrating pager or timer to encourage initiation of this >skill? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 I've seen this vary a bit with different consultants, however what you really are after is what the ABLLS literally says. Once you get that, I think you'll pretty much have all the other forms of attention manding. An important detail for me is that he doesn't come up to me and tap me and say, " Daddy, come pick up Greggory " . He comes up to me and taps me and says, " Daddy! " . And he waits for me to give him eye contact or otherwise address him, " What do you want? " . Then he says, " Come pick up Greggory. " . So there are clearly two mands here--the mand for attention is separated out. At some point I'll start to ignore him the first time to make him repeat, " Daddy " or " Hey, Daddy " (ie., shaping). Bart > Re: [ ] manding for attention > > > > >A general question about manding for attention. The ABBLS >seems to define this as a mand for others attention to the >speakers accomplishments. Would this skill include a mand for >attention for the purpose of presenting the listener with a >subsequent mand for an object or action: " Hey Mommy, I'm >hungry " " Mommy, come this way " > > > [ ] manding for attention >> >> >> >> >>I was asked off list about what we are trying to teach manding for >>attention. We have for about 5 weeks prompted this and have yet to >>encounter an unprompted response. We are also modeling manding for >>attention - for example, we jump high on the trampoline and say to >>Grace: " watch how high I can jump " or " look at how high I am jumping. >>The list of targets: Making a basket(as in basketball not >weaving like >>my therapist thought when they saw the data sheet!) Jumping high on >>trampoline Puzzle Potato head Painting/drawing Cute hairdo(my >>daughter like ponytails for about 1-2 minutes and looks at >>herself a lot in the mirror while it is up, this one really a >> " girl " thing) Tall block tower Riding in her toy car with a >>doll The therapist or I prompt her to say to the other >>one " look at this " . " look what I did " " watch this " or some >>similar phrase. When there is only one adult it is >>considerably trickier and mostly we model it for her. Any >>other suggestions on fading our prompt? Has anyone used a >>vibrating pager or timer to encourage initiation of this >>skill? >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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