Re: Playing with Levels of Consciousness - ander

[Guest guest]

> Jan,

> I find it so interesting that so many people who negate the idea

of LOC

> because they don't want to judge others or feel above or below

them, are the

> ones who believe one level of consciousness is actually better

than another.

>

> I try to show my clients how to live the best way thay can and

accept the

> LOC they are on--not spend their energies comparing or analyszing

theirs

> with everyone elses.

>

> According to Hawkins, no level is better than another--that

evaluation is

> only in the eyes of the beholder. LOC just happen to be what we

are working

> on at any given time.

>

> Cheers,

> Eddie

I think that somewhere in your post Eddie I did consider myself

getting the message, or a message to be more exact, after all it is

very much so in the eye of the beholder.

I was wondering about the reason why you wished to leave this group.

Wasn't it something that had to do with levels, yours in comparison

to others in this group?

I interprated it that you would be leaving to find (or go to) a

group on a level closer to your own.

And maybe that event of changing rooms is related to your own sense

of viewing " better " or " more worse " rooms for your level of

consciousness?

Maybe you don't believe that and (or) your post about comparison

with levels to be a bad thing?

In any case, happy hunting Eddie

I do agree that it takes energy when devoting thoughts, emotions to

compare this and that in this world, in our own worlds.

Perhaps there is a middleground to be found and have it to be

fruitful?

Comparing, experiencing difference yet wihout heavy emotional

attachments to be used as obsticles, or again perhaps that is an

idea itself?

In conclusion, my post now was mostly about, for me, the subject of

your departing from this group.

My initial reaction to it, was that you felt like looking

for " greener meadows " . If so, is that level-related?

Take care!

- Hans

[Guest guest]

Ok,

LOC felt for me like " validating " different levels, wich did not seem

true for me.

So, is it the " same " with energy levels? Like positive/negative

high/low levels?

I think it was one of your posts, Eddie, where it said same levels

attract each other. Are there theories/investigations about what

happens, if different energy levels meet, or positive/negative energy

levels, I mean, people with different energies? They just repel, or

assimilate in some way?

Thanks,

Am 20.06.2004 um 16:01 schrieb Eddie Katz:

> Jan,

> I find it so interesting that so many people who negate the idea of

> LOC

> because they don't want to judge others or feel above or below them,

> are the

> ones who believe one level of consciousness is actually better than

> another.

>

> I try to show my clients how to live the best way thay can and accept

> the

> LOC they are on--not spend their energies comparing or analyszing

> theirs

> with everyone elses.

>

> According to Hawkins, no level is better than another--that evaluation

> is

> only in the eyes of the beholder. LOC just happen to be what we are

> working

> on at any given time.

>

> Cheers,

> Eddie

>

>

>>

>> Reply-To: Loving-what-is

>> To: Loving-what-is

>> Subject: Re: Playing with Levels of Consciousness -

>>

>> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:09:27 -0000

>>

>> Olli wrote:

>>> Dear Jan,

>>

>>> What comes to my mind here: let's play with it. Let's say there are

>>> different LOC in other people. And let's put numbers on them. What if

>>> you *can't* compare them? Like 530 may be different than 460, but not

>>> higher or lower? And since you can't *know* other people's LOC, let's

>>> assume you *can* know and even *control* your own: what if they are

>>> all

>>> accessible to you at any moment, and it's only a matter of *choice*

>>> where you stay?

>>>

>>> Well, you know: thoughts.

>>>

>>> Take care,

>>>

>>

>> You got it ! It is all about choice until you get that

>> you're not the doer. Not an intellectual get that you are not the

>> doer but a full body realization - until that time it is a choice.

>>

>> Let's play with something else. I'm listening to Ferrini's The

>> Laws of Love (A Course In Miracles Teacher). In there he has 10

>> spiritual Principles that can Transform your life.

>>

>> First two are why we do inquiry. Put *God* first (until you get there

>> is no God). Make everyone equal. Stop making Hitler, Jesus, Jan,

>> , etc. " special " .

>>

>> Just putting it in those terms gave me a deeper perspective of how

>> difficult this game is and how many zillion judgements I have to undo.

>> Now if I'm going to do LOC and make everyone equal at the same time -

>> impossible!!!

>>

>> Only road to undo all these judgements - undoing emotional trash built

>> up in childhood - voila - The Pathway and LWI. Gotta love this

>> circular path.

>>

>> Blessings - Jan

>>

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,

Energies attract due to the vibrational pull of their frequencies. There's

plenty of books out there on the subject--books that address the spiritual

application and the scientific.

Eddie

>

>Reply-To: Loving-what-is

>To: Loving-what-is

>Subject: Re: Re: Playing with Levels of Consciousness -

>

>Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:08:23 +0200

>

>Ok,

>

>LOC felt for me like " validating " different levels, wich did not seem

>true for me.

>

>So, is it the " same " with energy levels? Like positive/negative

>high/low levels?

>

>I think it was one of your posts, Eddie, where it said same levels

>attract each other. Are there theories/investigations about what

>happens, if different energy levels meet, or positive/negative energy

>levels, I mean, people with different energies? They just repel, or

>assimilate in some way?

>

>Thanks,

>

>

>Am 20.06.2004 um 16:01 schrieb Eddie Katz:

>

> > Jan,

> > I find it so interesting that so many people who negate the idea of

> > LOC

> > because they don't want to judge others or feel above or below them,

> > are the

> > ones who believe one level of consciousness is actually better than

> > another.

> >

> > I try to show my clients how to live the best way thay can and accept

> > the

> > LOC they are on--not spend their energies comparing or analyszing

> > theirs

> > with everyone elses.

> >

> > According to Hawkins, no level is better than another--that evaluation

> > is

> > only in the eyes of the beholder. LOC just happen to be what we are

> > working

> > on at any given time.

> >

> > Cheers,

> > Eddie

> >

> >

> >>

> >> Reply-To: Loving-what-is

> >> To: Loving-what-is

> >> Subject: Re: Playing with Levels of Consciousness -

> >>

> >> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:09:27 -0000

> >>

> >> Olli wrote:

> >>> Dear Jan,

> >>

> >>> What comes to my mind here: let's play with it. Let's say there are

> >>> different LOC in other people. And let's put numbers on them. What if

> >>> you *can't* compare them? Like 530 may be different than 460, but not

> >>> higher or lower? And since you can't *know* other people's LOC, let's

> >>> assume you *can* know and even *control* your own: what if they are

> >>> all

> >>> accessible to you at any moment, and it's only a matter of *choice*

> >>> where you stay?

> >>>

> >>> Well, you know: thoughts.

> >>>

> >>> Take care,

> >>>

> >>

> >> You got it ! It is all about choice until you get that

> >> you're not the doer. Not an intellectual get that you are not the

> >> doer but a full body realization - until that time it is a choice.

> >>

> >> Let's play with something else. I'm listening to Ferrini's The

> >> Laws of Love (A Course In Miracles Teacher). In there he has 10

> >> spiritual Principles that can Transform your life.

> >>

> >> First two are why we do inquiry. Put *God* first (until you get there

> >> is no God). Make everyone equal. Stop making Hitler, Jesus, Jan,

> >> , etc. " special " .

> >>

> >> Just putting it in those terms gave me a deeper perspective of how

> >> difficult this game is and how many zillion judgements I have to undo.

> >> Now if I'm going to do LOC and make everyone equal at the same time -

> >> impossible!!!

> >>

> >> Only road to undo all these judgements - undoing emotional trash built

> >> up in childhood - voila - The Pathway and LWI. Gotta love this

> >> circular path.

> >>

> >> Blessings - Jan

> >>

> >

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> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Hans!

Nice to hear from you.

The reason I didn't activate my removal from the group is that I was

interested in the misinterpretations of my previous post. Wanting to join a

group that understands what one is trying to say has nothing to do with

judgments, just preferences and effortlessness.

nne's post confirmed to me that I was perhaps in the wrong group--like

walking into the wrong room at a conference or school. If you recall I

thanked her for that. I hadn't made judgments but it appeared many of you

did. I do believe a lot of time is spent on false ego beliefs, but that's

one of the purposes of this group--to inquire past the ego. I have some

thoughts on that but I won't discuss them hear.

Remember my post about the two different clients; one had a higher education

and spiritual aspirations and the other was a simple mechanic who was

relatively satisfied with his life except that he had difficulty

communicating with his wife and wanted to know what he was missing.

I made it very clear that the mechanic appeared to be living a happier life

than the spiritual aspirant. I had made no judgments about their levels,

only their ability to be the best they could be on their respective levels.

And that was a professional judgment I needed to make in order to assist

them.

I hope this clarifies a few things. It's been my experience that when we

accuse someone of being judgmental, it's usually a projection originating

from ourselves.

To me, levels are like grades in school--4th grade isn't any better than 3rd

grade. But if you're in 3rd grade and you long to be in 4th grade so much

that you forget to enjoy the 3rd grade, then you may need an attitude

adjustment...or at least shown how to enjoy the 3rd grade.

Cheers,

Eddie

>

>Reply-To: Loving-what-is

>To: Loving-what-is

>Subject: Re: Playing with Levels of Consciousness -

>

>Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:05:03 -0000

>

>

> > Jan,

> > I find it so interesting that so many people who negate the idea

>of LOC

> > because they don't want to judge others or feel above or below

>them, are the

> > ones who believe one level of consciousness is actually better

>than another.

> >

> > I try to show my clients how to live the best way thay can and

>accept the

> > LOC they are on--not spend their energies comparing or analyszing

>theirs

> > with everyone elses.

> >

> > According to Hawkins, no level is better than another--that

>evaluation is

> > only in the eyes of the beholder. LOC just happen to be what we

>are working

> > on at any given time.

> >

> > Cheers,

> > Eddie

>

>

>I think that somewhere in your post Eddie I did consider myself

>getting the message, or a message to be more exact, after all it is

>very much so in the eye of the beholder.

>

>I was wondering about the reason why you wished to leave this group.

>Wasn't it something that had to do with levels, yours in comparison

>to others in this group?

>I interprated it that you would be leaving to find (or go to) a

>group on a level closer to your own.

>And maybe that event of changing rooms is related to your own sense

>of viewing " better " or " more worse " rooms for your level of

>consciousness?

>

>Maybe you don't believe that and (or) your post about comparison

>with levels to be a bad thing?

>

>In any case, happy hunting Eddie

>

>I do agree that it takes energy when devoting thoughts, emotions to

>compare this and that in this world, in our own worlds.

>

>Perhaps there is a middleground to be found and have it to be

>fruitful?

>Comparing, experiencing difference yet wihout heavy emotional

>attachments to be used as obsticles, or again perhaps that is an

>idea itself?

>

>In conclusion, my post now was mostly about, for me, the subject of

>your departing from this group.

>My initial reaction to it, was that you felt like looking

>for " greener meadows " . If so, is that level-related?

>

>Take care!

>

>- Hans

>

>

>

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> Hi Hans!

>

> Nice to hear from you.

>

> The reason I didn't activate my removal from the group is that I

was

> interested in the misinterpretations of my previous post. Wanting

to join a

> group that understands what one is trying to say has nothing to do

with

> judgments, just preferences and effortlessness.

>

> nne's post confirmed to me that I was perhaps in the wrong

group--like

> walking into the wrong room at a conference or school. If you

recall I

> thanked her for that. I hadn't made judgments but it appeared

many of you

> did. I do believe a lot of time is spent on false ego beliefs, but

that's

> one of the purposes of this group--to inquire past the ego. I have

some

> thoughts on that but I won't discuss them hear.

>

> Remember my post about the two different clients; one had a higher

education

> and spiritual aspirations and the other was a simple mechanic who

was

> relatively satisfied with his life except that he had difficulty

> communicating with his wife and wanted to know what he was missing.

>

> I made it very clear that the mechanic appeared to be living a

happier life

> than the spiritual aspirant. I had made no judgments about their

levels,

> only their ability to be the best they could be on their

respective levels.

> And that was a professional judgment I needed to make in order to

assist

> them.

>

> I hope this clarifies a few things. It's been my experience that

when we

> accuse someone of being judgmental, it's usually a projection

originating

> from ourselves.

>

> To me, levels are like grades in school--4th grade isn't any

better than 3rd

> grade. But if you're in 3rd grade and you long to be in 4th grade

so much

> that you forget to enjoy the 3rd grade, then you may need an

attitude

> adjustment...or at least shown how to enjoy the 3rd grade.

>

> Cheers,

> Eddie

Mmm yes nice to hear from you too Eddie

I get what you are saying, or at least I own a belief that lets me

relate to these matters in a today familiar way, almost.

Our projections yes, have you read the book

" Dark Side of the Light Chasers " by Debbie Floyd?

It's a wonderful book pointing interesting light on the subject of

our fears, our " dark " side and our " light " side and the judgements

we make from them.

When we recent and accuse, for instance homosexuality, it is written

that the recentment is spawned by our fears of this from within,

what we haven't delt with and investigated within ourselves usually

is the cause of our distress.

Maybe this is old news or subjects for you perhaps, but I thought

you might find that book interesting as a person dealing with these

matters both within and without

Check it out, my description of the book may faulter more greatly

then the alleged clarity it can offer as I see it.

Also if you are interested in spiritualism and " direct " wisdom

offered from souls many thousand years old, look up the book

" Four Spirit Teachers " by Sheila or books by O'Brien.

Take care, hope you find a suitable classroom

- Hans

[Guest guest]

LOL ! Vibrations and ululations are krystal klear in The Lazy man ' s

guide to Enlightenment by Thaddeus Golas . That would be my LOC ...

LAZZEEE or TONELOC schnizzle ma wizzle . !

> ,

> Energies attract due to the vibrational pull of their frequencies.

> There's

> plenty of books out there on the subject--books that address the

> spiritual

> application and the scientific.

>

> Eddie

>

>

>>

>> Reply-To: Loving-what-is

>> To: Loving-what-is

>> Subject: Re: Re: Playing with Levels of

>> Consciousness -

>>

>> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:08:23 +0200

>>

>> Ok,

>>

>> LOC felt for me like " validating " different levels, wich did not seem

>> true for me.

>>

>> So, is it the " same " with energy levels? Like positive/negative

>> high/low levels?

>>

>> I think it was one of your posts, Eddie, where it said same levels

>> attract each other. Are there theories/investigations about what

>> happens, if different energy levels meet, or positive/negative energy

>> levels, I mean, people with different energies? They just repel, or

>> assimilate in some way?

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>>

>> Am 20.06.2004 um 16:01 schrieb Eddie Katz:

>>

>>> Jan,

>>> I find it so interesting that so many people who negate the idea of

>>> LOC

>>> because they don't want to judge others or feel above or below them,

>>> are the

>>> ones who believe one level of consciousness is actually better than

>>> another.

>>>

>>> I try to show my clients how to live the best way thay can and accept

>>> the

>>> LOC they are on--not spend their energies comparing or analyszing

>>> theirs

>>> with everyone elses.

>>>

>>> According to Hawkins, no level is better than another--that

>>> evaluation

>>> is

>>> only in the eyes of the beholder. LOC just happen to be what we are

>>> working

>>> on at any given time.

>>>

>>> Cheers,

>>> Eddie

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> Reply-To: Loving-what-is

>>>> To: Loving-what-is

>>>> Subject: Re: Playing with Levels of Consciousness -

>>>>

>>>> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:09:27 -0000

>>>>

>>>> Olli wrote:

>>>>> Dear Jan,

>>>>

>>>>> What comes to my mind here: let's play with it. Let's say there are

>>>>> different LOC in other people. And let's put numbers on them. What

>>>>> if

>>>>> you *can't* compare them? Like 530 may be different than 460, but

>>>>> not

>>>>> higher or lower? And since you can't *know* other people's LOC,

>>>>> let's

>>>>> assume you *can* know and even *control* your own: what if they are

>>>>> all

>>>>> accessible to you at any moment, and it's only a matter of *choice*

>>>>> where you stay?

>>>>>

>>>>> Well, you know: thoughts.

>>>>>

>>>>> Take care,

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> You got it ! It is all about choice until you get that

>>>> you're not the doer. Not an intellectual get that you are not the

>>>> doer but a full body realization - until that time it is a choice.

>>>>

>>>> Let's play with something else. I'm listening to Ferrini's The

>>>> Laws of Love (A Course In Miracles Teacher). In there he has 10

>>>> spiritual Principles that can Transform your life.

>>>>

>>>> First two are why we do inquiry. Put *God* first (until you get

>>>> there

>>>> is no God). Make everyone equal. Stop making Hitler, Jesus, Jan,

>>>> , etc. " special " .

>>>>

>>>> Just putting it in those terms gave me a deeper perspective of how

>>>> difficult this game is and how many zillion judgements I have to

>>>> undo.

>>>> Now if I'm going to do LOC and make everyone equal at the same

>>>> time -

>>>> impossible!!!

>>>>

>>>> Only road to undo all these judgements - undoing emotional trash

>>>> built

>>>> up in childhood - voila - The Pathway and LWI. Gotta love this

>>>> circular path.

>>>>

>>>> Blessings - Jan

>>>>

>>>

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From one grade of product to another grade in several KAN u FORD A 20

foot chasm with 2 10 feet HOPS ?

> Hi Hans!

>

> Nice to hear from you.

>

> The reason I didn't activate my removal from the group is that I was

> interested in the misinterpretations of my previous post. Wanting to

> join a

> group that understands what one is trying to say has nothing to do with

> judgments, just preferences and effortlessness.

>

> nne's post confirmed to me that I was perhaps in the wrong

> group--like

> walking into the wrong room at a conference or school. If you recall I

> thanked her for that. I hadn't made judgments but it appeared many of

> you

> did. I do believe a lot of time is spent on false ego beliefs, but

> that's

> one of the purposes of this group--to inquire past the ego. I have some

> thoughts on that but I won't discuss them hear.

>

> Remember my post about the two different clients; one had a higher

> education

> and spiritual aspirations and the other was a simple mechanic who was

> relatively satisfied with his life except that he had difficulty

> communicating with his wife and wanted to know what he was missing.

>

> I made it very clear that the mechanic appeared to be living a happier

> life

> than the spiritual aspirant. I had made no judgments about their

> levels,

> only their ability to be the best they could be on their respective

> levels.

> And that was a professional judgment I needed to make in order to

> assist

> them.

>

> I hope this clarifies a few things. It's been my experience that when

> we

> accuse someone of being judgmental, it's usually a projection

> originating

> from ourselves.

>

> To me, levels are like grades in school--4th grade isn't any better

> than 3rd

> grade. But if you're in 3rd grade and you long to be in 4th grade so

> much

> that you forget to enjoy the 3rd grade, then you may need an attitude

> adjustment...or at least shown how to enjoy the 3rd grade.

>

> Cheers,

> Eddie

>

>

>>

>> Reply-To: Loving-what-is

>> To: Loving-what-is

>> Subject: Re: Playing with Levels of Consciousness -

>>

>> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:05:03 -0000

>>

>>

>>> Jan,

>>> I find it so interesting that so many people who negate the idea

>> of LOC

>>> because they don't want to judge others or feel above or below

>> them, are the

>>> ones who believe one level of consciousness is actually better

>> than another.

>>>

>>> I try to show my clients how to live the best way thay can and

>> accept the

>>> LOC they are on--not spend their energies comparing or analyszing

>> theirs

>>> with everyone elses.

>>>

>>> According to Hawkins, no level is better than another--that

>> evaluation is

>>> only in the eyes of the beholder. LOC just happen to be what we

>> are working

>>> on at any given time.

>>>

>>> Cheers,

>>> Eddie

>>

>>

>> I think that somewhere in your post Eddie I did consider myself

>> getting the message, or a message to be more exact, after all it is

>> very much so in the eye of the beholder.

>>

>> I was wondering about the reason why you wished to leave this group.

>> Wasn't it something that had to do with levels, yours in comparison

>> to others in this group?

>> I interprated it that you would be leaving to find (or go to) a

>> group on a level closer to your own.

>> And maybe that event of changing rooms is related to your own sense

>> of viewing " better " or " more worse " rooms for your level of

>> consciousness?

>>

>> Maybe you don't believe that and (or) your post about comparison

>> with levels to be a bad thing?

>>

>> In any case, happy hunting Eddie

>>

>> I do agree that it takes energy when devoting thoughts, emotions to

>> compare this and that in this world, in our own worlds.

>>

>> Perhaps there is a middleground to be found and have it to be

>> fruitful?

>> Comparing, experiencing difference yet wihout heavy emotional

>> attachments to be used as obsticles, or again perhaps that is an

>> idea itself?

>>

>> In conclusion, my post now was mostly about, for me, the subject of

>> your departing from this group.

>> My initial reaction to it, was that you felt like looking

>> for " greener meadows " . If so, is that level-related?

>>

>> Take care!

>>

>> - Hans

>>

>>

>>

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Thank you " Mr. Miyagui " , I think that was just what I needed...

It looks like a gem to me!

I found the complete text of the book at

http://freespace.virgin.net/sarah.peter.nelson/lazyman/lazyman.html#co

ntents

Love,

Eva

> >>>>> Dear Jan,

> >>>>

> >>>>> What comes to my mind here: let's play with it. Let's say

there are

> >>>>> different LOC in other people. And let's put numbers on them.

What

> >>>>> if

> >>>>> you *can't* compare them? Like 530 may be different than 460,

but

> >>>>> not

> >>>>> higher or lower? And since you can't *know* other people's

LOC,

> >>>>> let's

> >>>>> assume you *can* know and even *control* your own: what if

they are

> >>>>> all

> >>>>> accessible to you at any moment, and it's only a matter of

*choice*

> >>>>> where you stay?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Well, you know: thoughts.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Take care,

> >>>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> You got it ! It is all about choice until you get

that

> >>>> you're not the doer. Not an intellectual get that you are not

the

> >>>> doer but a full body realization - until that time it is a

choice.

> >>>>

> >>>> Let's play with something else. I'm listening to

Ferrini's The

> >>>> Laws of Love (A Course In Miracles Teacher). In there he has

10

> >>>> spiritual Principles that can Transform your life.

> >>>>

> >>>> First two are why we do inquiry. Put *God* first (until you

get

> >>>> there

> >>>> is no God). Make everyone equal. Stop making Hitler, Jesus,

Jan,

> >>>> , etc. " special " .

> >>>>

> >>>> Just putting it in those terms gave me a deeper perspective of

how

> >>>> difficult this game is and how many zillion judgements I have

to

> >>>> undo.

> >>>> Now if I'm going to do LOC and make everyone equal at the

same

> >>>> time -

> >>>> impossible!!!

> >>>>

> >>>> Only road to undo all these judgements - undoing emotional

trash

> >>>> built

> >>>> up in childhood - voila - The Pathway and LWI. Gotta love this

> >>>> circular path.

> >>>>

> >>>> Blessings - Jan

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>>

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What are you talking about???

Love,

> >>> Jan,

> >>> I find it so interesting that so many people who negate the

idea

> >> of LOC

> >>> because they don't want to judge others or feel above or below

> >> them, are the

> >>> ones who believe one level of consciousness is actually better

> >> than another.

> >>>

> >>> I try to show my clients how to live the best way thay can and

> >> accept the

> >>> LOC they are on--not spend their energies comparing or

analyszing

> >> theirs

> >>> with everyone elses.

> >>>

> >>> According to Hawkins, no level is better than another--that

> >> evaluation is

> >>> only in the eyes of the beholder. LOC just happen to be what we

> >> are working

> >>> on at any given time.

> >>>

> >>> Cheers,

> >>> Eddie

> >>

> >>

> >> I think that somewhere in your post Eddie I did consider myself

> >> getting the message, or a message to be more exact, after all

it is

> >> very much so in the eye of the beholder.

> >>

> >> I was wondering about the reason why you wished to leave this

group.

> >> Wasn't it something that had to do with levels, yours in

comparison

> >> to others in this group?

> >> I interprated it that you would be leaving to find (or go to) a

> >> group on a level closer to your own.

> >> And maybe that event of changing rooms is related to your own

sense

> >> of viewing " better " or " more worse " rooms for your level of

> >> consciousness?

> >>

> >> Maybe you don't believe that and (or) your post about comparison

> >> with levels to be a bad thing?

> >>

> >> In any case, happy hunting Eddie

> >>

> >> I do agree that it takes energy when devoting thoughts,

emotions to

> >> compare this and that in this world, in our own worlds.

> >>

> >> Perhaps there is a middleground to be found and have it to be

> >> fruitful?

> >> Comparing, experiencing difference yet wihout heavy emotional

> >> attachments to be used as obsticles, or again perhaps that is an

> >> idea itself?

> >>

> >> In conclusion, my post now was mostly about, for me, the

subject of

> >> your departing from this group.

> >> My initial reaction to it, was that you felt like looking

> >> for " greener meadows " . If so, is that level-related?

> >>

> >> Take care!

> >>

> >> - Hans

> >>

> >>

> >>

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for me this is the same as kt's explaination for 'falling in love' (not sure

that's the right way to describe it, perhaps it was love at first sight or some

such thing...) anyway, it boils down to your story matches my story. call it

loc, energy levels, whatever you like. it's still just a story. this also

reminds me of one of kt's recordings where she is talking about one of her sons

i think and he was shop lifting and doing other stuff and she made a very clear

point of saying that his thinking was at least as high as hers...that actually,

there was no lower or higher , just the perfection or the moment, each apparent

'other' doing his/her path. seems like different ways to say the same thing

since lwi means accepting the path that you find yourself on (accepting your

loc).hmmm. interesting. it does seem that there really are no new stories, just

different words to tell them....

Eddie Katz wrote:,

Energies attract due to the vibrational pull of their frequencies. There's

plenty of books out there on the subject--books that address the spiritual

application and the scientific.

Eddie

>From: Olli 26

>Reply-To: Loving-what-is

>To: Loving-what-is

>Subject: Re: Re: Playing with Levels of Consciousness -

>

>Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:08:23 +0200

>

>Ok,

>

>LOC felt for me like " validating " different levels, wich did not seem

>true for me.

>

>So, is it the " same " with energy levels? Like positive/negative

>high/low levels?

>

>I think it was one of your posts, Eddie, where it said same levels

>attract each other. Are there theories/investigations about what

>happens, if different energy levels meet, or positive/negative energy

>levels, I mean, people with different energies? They just repel, or

>assimilate in some way?

>

>Thanks,

>

>

>Am 20.06.2004 um 16:01 schrieb Eddie Katz:

>

> > Jan,

> > I find it so interesting that so many people who negate the idea of

> > LOC

> > because they don't want to judge others or feel above or below them,

> > are the

> > ones who believe one level of consciousness is actually better than

> > another.

> >

> > I try to show my clients how to live the best way thay can and accept

> > the

> > LOC they are on--not spend their energies comparing or analyszing

> > theirs

> > with everyone elses.

> >

> > According to Hawkins, no level is better than another--that evaluation

> > is

> > only in the eyes of the beholder. LOC just happen to be what we are

> > working

> > on at any given time.

> >

> > Cheers,

> > Eddie

> >

> >

> >> From: " jan "

> >> Reply-To: Loving-what-is

> >> To: Loving-what-is

> >> Subject: Re: Playing with Levels of Consciousness -

> >>

> >> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:09:27 -0000

> >>

> >> Olli wrote:

> >>> Dear Jan,

> >>

> >>> What comes to my mind here: let's play with it. Let's say there are

> >>> different LOC in other people. And let's put numbers on them. What if

> >>> you *can't* compare them? Like 530 may be different than 460, but not

> >>> higher or lower? And since you can't *know* other people's LOC, let's

> >>> assume you *can* know and even *control* your own: what if they are

> >>> all

> >>> accessible to you at any moment, and it's only a matter of *choice*

> >>> where you stay?

> >>>

> >>> Well, you know: thoughts.

> >>>

> >>> Take care,

> >>>

> >>

> >> You got it ! It is all about choice until you get that

> >> you're not the doer. Not an intellectual get that you are not the

> >> doer but a full body realization - until that time it is a choice.

> >>

> >> Let's play with something else. I'm listening to Ferrini's The

> >> Laws of Love (A Course In Miracles Teacher). In there he has 10

> >> spiritual Principles that can Transform your life.

> >>

> >> First two are why we do inquiry. Put *God* first (until you get there

> >> is no God). Make everyone equal. Stop making Hitler, Jesus, Jan,

> >> , etc. " special " .

> >>

> >> Just putting it in those terms gave me a deeper perspective of how

> >> difficult this game is and how many zillion judgements I have to undo.

> >> Now if I'm going to do LOC and make everyone equal at the same time -

> >> impossible!!!

> >>

> >> Only road to undo all these judgements - undoing emotional trash built

> >> up in childhood - voila - The Pathway and LWI. Gotta love this

> >> circular path.

> >>

> >> Blessings - Jan

> >>

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