Re: HELP! My son is peeing all over the house.

[Guest guest]

As someone who has dealt long with toileting issues, I hear your pain and

frustration!

You may also need to rule out a urine infection first, because sometimes

that can affect toileting.

You may want to scan the files (I think it was last fall) there were a lot

of posts about positive practice with toileting issues—with every accident,

take the child from the place where the accident occurred to the toilet and

say “pp goes in the potty” and then take him back to the place where he had

the accident. Do this 5 times.

Hope this helps,

S.

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They are wrong: it is character. "

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Subject: [sPAM] HELP! My son is peeing all over the

house.

I do not know what has changed and can't figure out what is wrong with

him but I have a 6 yr old son (PDD-NOS) and about 3 weeks ago instead

of going to the bathroom he has starting peeing in his bedroom, his

closet, my husbands closet, the game room, bathroom cabinets.

Everywhere but where he is supposed to go. It isn't every time but at

least once or twice a day. I thought we pinpointed it this last week

as they had started to introduce the first grade teacher at school and

he was quite freaked out about the change. After we talked we had a

few days without a incident but yesterday he started again and did this

3 times in different places. Any ideas on how to get him to STOP or

anything at this point would be helpful. I am at my wits end. The

screaming fits are one thing but this has thrown it to an entire other

spectrum of problems.

Thanks

Amy

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[Guest guest]

> You may also need to rule out a urine infection first, because sometimes

> that can affect toileting.

My 5yo niece started " peeing all over " the place, and she did indeed

have a very bad urinary tract infection. She showed no signs of

sickness. So definitely get that checked out!

[Guest guest]

Yeast problems can also cause this behavior. It might be a good idea

to check out his gut and see if he has yeast overgrowth through lab

testing.

Nagla

>

> As someone who has dealt long with toileting issues, I hear your

pain and

> frustration!

>

>

>

> You may also need to rule out a urine infection first, because

sometimes

> that can affect toileting.

>

>

>

> You may want to scan the files (I think it was last fall) there

were a lot

> of posts about positive practice with toileting issues—with every

accident,

> take the child from the place where the accident occurred to the

toilet and

> say " pp goes in the potty " and then take him back to the place

where he had

> the accident. Do this 5 times.

>

>

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> S.

>

>

>

> " Most people say that is it is the intellect which makes a great

scientist.

>

> They are wrong: it is character. "

>

> Albert Einstein

>

>

>

> From: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

> [mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of adenker

> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:19 AM

> To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

> Subject: [sPAM] HELP! My son is peeing all

over the

> house.

>

>

>

> I do not know what has changed and can't figure out what is wrong

with

> him but I have a 6 yr old son (PDD-NOS) and about 3 weeks ago

instead

> of going to the bathroom he has starting peeing in his bedroom, his

> closet, my husbands closet, the game room, bathroom cabinets.

> Everywhere but where he is supposed to go. It isn't every time but

at

> least once or twice a day. I thought we pinpointed it this last

week

> as they had started to introduce the first grade teacher at school

and

> he was quite freaked out about the change. After we talked we had a

> few days without a incident but yesterday he started again and did

this

> 3 times in different places. Any ideas on how to get him to STOP or

> anything at this point would be helpful. I am at my wits end. The

> screaming fits are one thing but this has thrown it to an entire

other

> spectrum of problems.

>

> Thanks

> Amy

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Since my home computer has gone out for repair and I had scanned the Foxx and

Azurin program in there to send via private email, let me just type it up here

and then if you want a copy of the chart, you might check back with me in about

two weeks when my computer should be back.?

started doing this, going over to the area where his dresser was or

going to his closet in his room when the pressure of an impending bowel movement

were to happen, or he just waited too long.? We re-engaged the positive practice

techniques and it cleared up in no time.

Here is what it says:

Guidelines for Potty Training Program -- adapted from the Foxx and Azrin program

1.? When beginning the potty training program, be sure the child is wearing

regular underpants.? DIapers or pull-ups may only be worn each night while the

child is sleeping, but should be replaced with underpants when they wake.

2.? Keep the child's bladder full most of the day by giving the child as much

fluid as they can drink.? Do not give the child salty foods in order to create

an EO to drink.? Salty foods will cause the child to retain water.

3.? Take the child to the bathroom every 30 minutes.? Stay on the potty for

10-20 minutes or until the child voids.? If the child does not void, instruct

them to put their clothing back on using minimal prompts and allow them to leave

the bathroom.? Boys should also be sitting on the toilet.?

4.? If the child voids during this time, provide tangible reinforcement and

praise immediately.? Prompt them as little as possible to pull their clothing

back on and allow them to leave the bathroom.

5.? Every 5 minutes check the child to see if they are dry.? Put the child's

hand on their pants so they can check themselves.? If the child is dry, provide

reinforcement and praise.

6.? If the child is not dry during " dry checks " be sure they touch the wet pants

and tell them where they are supposed to urinate.? Then immediately take them to

the bathroom.? Prompt them to sit on the potty, and then prompt them to stand

and pull their wet pants back up (use the minimal amount of prompts required).?

Immediately return to the spot they urinated in and follow the routine again.?

Repeat this positive practice procedure five times.? Use full prompting if

necessary.? After the fifth practice, change the child into dry clothing and

have the child clean the spot where the accident occurred.? Do not provide a lot

of attention at this time.? The positive practice procedure is not fun for the

child.

7.? Typically, children will have many potty accidents when you first begin this

procedure.? Do not get discouraged.? Continue to implement the positive practice

procedure.

8.? The first time the child self-initiates, stop scheduling the child for potty

time.? At this point, you will not schedule them again.? If you continue to

schedule the child they will become dependent on the schedule and not initiate.?

9.? Be sure to continue to fill the child's bladder with fluids.? Initially more

accidents will begin to occur.? Use the positive practice procedure when this

happens.

10.? The accidents should cease within a short period of time.? Usually the

child will then begin to initiate frequently.? If the child self-initiates one

time and never initiates again (over the next two weeks), start scheduling them

again.

11.? A requesting repetoire is not a pre-requisite for this procedure.? You

should not be requiring the child to mand for potty during training (do not

prompt them to ask for the potty).?

12.? After the child has had 20 consecutive initiations with no accidents you

may stop forcing fluids.

13.? When you are ready to try to take them to the store or other public places,

use the following procedure:? Fill the child's bladder before you leave so that

they should need to go as soon as you get there.? Find the restroom as soon as

you get to the store.? Walk in with the child but say nothing.? Walk to the

stall and show them the toilet.? See if they will initiate.? If they do not, try

using minimal prompts.

14.? Bowel training:? Accidents of this type will continue to occur after the

voiding is under control.? Resist the temptation to put the child back in

diapers.? Do not use positive practice for BM accidents.? Only require that the

child cleans the mess.? Eventually, the child will begin using the toilet for

BMs also.

15.? If the child has a fairly regular bowel schedule, you may want to try to

schedule them and have them sit on the toilet for awhile during that time.

16.? Once the child is voiding and having BMs in the potty, it is then time to

teach the boys to stand while urinating.

17.? Once the child is self-initiating for a period of one month with no

accidents, you may then teach them to mand for potty by stopping them when they

are walking to the toilet, temporarily block access to the toilet, and prompting

them to mand for the potty.? Do not teach the child to mand until

self-initiation is strong.?

[Guest guest]

I've noticed that my son, 4 y/o (PDD-NOS/ADHD), seems to do this MORE

when he's frustrated/nervous/anxious with...you guessed it,

a " change " .

The first time we went through this, he decided to relieve himself in

front of his whole pre-school class! And of course, the tub, the

sink, the corner, the yard...etc.

I think he may have " enjoyed " the reactions that he was getting

whenever he'd do this. (My little sensory seeker!) Now, I just

redirect him to the toilet and try my best not to have any

huge " reaction " ...it's not always easy though.

Tonya M

>

> I do not know what has changed and can't figure out what is wrong

with

> him but I have a 6 yr old son (PDD-NOS) and about 3 weeks ago

instead

> of going to the bathroom he has starting peeing in his bedroom, his

> closet, my husbands closet, the game room, bathroom cabinets.

> Everywhere but where he is supposed to go. It isn't every time but

at

> least once or twice a day. I thought we pinpointed it this last

week

> as they had started to introduce the first grade teacher at school

and

> he was quite freaked out about the change. After we talked we had

a

> few days without a incident but yesterday he started again and did

this

> 3 times in different places. Any ideas on how to get him to STOP

or

> anything at this point would be helpful. I am at my wits end. The

> screaming fits are one thing but this has thrown it to an entire

other

> spectrum of problems.

>

> Thanks

> Amy

>

[Guest guest]

My son went through this type of phase last school year. He would urinate in

the classroom, hall, car, or where ever he felt frustrated or not getting his

way. I had to start sending " back-up " clothes for him to put on at school. He

eventually stopped. I remember talking with him about this is inappropriate and

he can not continue doing this. I am sure I probably told him he would be

discipline and he needs to go to the rest room. My son was diagnosed with a

mild case of autism, so I do not know where your son is diagnosed on the

sprectrum. My son is very capable of doing " what he is suppose to do " and

understanding " what he is not suppose to do " , so I have to be careful that he is

not just trying " to get over " on mom. And he did a lot of " getting over on mom "

in the past because I did not know what was out of his capability, or we were in

a hurry, or something.

My son tried to start urinating again, but we addressed the issue very quickly

and told him what we expected him to do. Recently, he has had a couple of

incidents that has happened within the last few weeks. And I do not think these

last couple of incidents were from him being frustrated or not getting his way.

I think he did not go to the rest room in time and the trip was too long to

wait. And I think if he is having too much fun...he probably decides he does

not want to stop and go to the toilet. Now, since I was not in the vehicle when

the incidents happened...it is possible he could have been upset, but I do not

think that was the case.

My son is very clever...he is 7 now.

Tonya wrote:

I've noticed that my son, 4 y/o (PDD-NOS/ADHD), seems to do this MORE

when he's frustrated/nervous/anxious with...you guessed it,

a " change " .

The first time we went through this, he decided to relieve himself in

front of his whole pre-school class! And of course, the tub, the

sink, the corner, the yard...etc.

I think he may have " enjoyed " the reactions that he was getting

whenever he'd do this. (My little sensory seeker!) Now, I just

redirect him to the toilet and try my best not to have any

huge " reaction " ...it's not always easy though.

Tonya M

>

> I do not know what has changed and can't figure out what is wrong

with

> him but I have a 6 yr old son (PDD-NOS) and about 3 weeks ago

instead

> of going to the bathroom he has starting peeing in his bedroom, his

> closet, my husbands closet, the game room, bathroom cabinets.

> Everywhere but where he is supposed to go. It isn't every time but

at

> least once or twice a day. I thought we pinpointed it this last

week

> as they had started to introduce the first grade teacher at school

and

> he was quite freaked out about the change. After we talked we had

a

> few days without a incident but yesterday he started again and did

this

> 3 times in different places. Any ideas on how to get him to STOP

or

> anything at this point would be helpful. I am at my wits end. The

> screaming fits are one thing but this has thrown it to an entire

other

> spectrum of problems.

>

> Thanks

> Amy

>

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[Guest guest]

Your not alone! We have replaced more than one area of flooring. I wash towels

and sheets daily from smearing feces and urinating everywhere! It has been

going on over a year now. Per a school psychologist - we are going to try a

gymnsatics onepiece that I am going to tie a ribbon at the shoulders. It will

be nice and cool for summer but, not easily taken off. They make special

antistrip clothing but, this should be more comfortable and cheaper. We are

potty trained every where but home. Any where we are too comfortable - it

happens. With the suit I am actually trying this weekend, it should make it

where no more potty messes will happen. My little one hates to wear clothes at

home so this will be a challenge. Hopefully the potty PECS all over the house

will now be used to request the potty! I feel your " pain. " Potty messes are no

fun!

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[Guest guest]

Can't you use pampers or depends? Maybe you can show him videos of other kids

going to the potty. Or maybe you can make a game out of it and give him a

reward every time he goes to the bathroom instead of on the floor. Just be

patient, this too will pass.

To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy@...: jade2x9@...: Fri, 18

Apr 2008 20:13:01 -0700Subject: Re: HELP! My son is

peeing all over the house.

Your not alone! We have replaced more than one area of flooring. I wash towels

and sheets daily from smearing feces and urinating everywhere! It has been going

on over a year now. Per a school psychologist - we are going to try a gymnsatics

onepiece that I am going to tie a ribbon at the shoulders. It will be nice and

cool for summer but, not easily taken off. They make special antistrip clothing

but, this should be more comfortable and cheaper. We are potty trained every

where but home. Any where we are too comfortable - it happens. With the suit I

am actually trying this weekend, it should make it where no more potty messes

will happen. My little one hates to wear clothes at home so this will be a

challenge. Hopefully the potty PECS all over the house will now be used to

request the potty! I feel your " pain. " Potty messes are no

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[Guest guest]

We have tried diapers, pull ups, real undergarments, videos, books, pictures,

reinforcers, sitting on the potty after accidents, and when we can before an

accident. " Accidents " have occured even five minutes after we try the potty.

We have tried the run to the bathroom, run to the accident trials with no

difference made. We have sang, danced, even had my child help clean the

accident. We are now going to the " special outfit " so stripping and peeing or

smearing is not an option. My kiddo hates clothing, so this should help train

wearing clothing too. We are hopeful this will work as this is a huge problem.

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[Guest guest]

Please look at this video on the kidneys, bladder, ureter.

Professor, n Diamond, University of California, talks about when there is a

knick or small opening in the ureter there is a constant flow of urine. She

talks about the antidiuretic hormone (ADH), diuresis, excessive urination, and

diabetes. She also says that the bladder contracts in order for you to urinate.

She says that the transport of urine is not just a continuous flow. Ther are

intermittent contractions every two or three minutes. The walls contract and

pass urine along. Of course I am not saying that this is the case but maybe

your son cannot control the flow of urine, and should see a doctor. I pray that

your son will be alright.

To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy@...: jade2x9@...: Sun, 20

Apr 2008 14:10:09 -0700Subject: Re: HELP! My son is

peeing all over the house.

We have tried diapers, pull ups, real undergarments, videos, books, pictures,

reinforcers, sitting on the potty after accidents, and when we can before an

accident. " Accidents " have occured even five minutes after we try the potty. We

have tried the run to the bathroom, run to the accident trials with no

difference made. We have sang, danced, even had my child help clean the

accident. We are now going to the " special outfit " so stripping and peeing or

smearing is not an option. My kiddo hates clothing, so this should help train

wearing clothing too. We are hopeful this will work as this is a huge

problem.---------------------------------Be a better friend, newshound, and

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