Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 " We suffer only until we realize that we can't know anything. " BK Right now, for me, the above quote is saying " Suffering will seem to exist until I undersand that there is nothing for me to know and that there is no me to know it. A couple of weeks ago, I shared this similar quote from " Losing The Moon " . " The mind looks at nothing, and calls it something to keep it from experiencing itself......Love. BK This appears to be telling me the same thing, which is, there is nothing but something that has been named Love, including a BK and a Steve D. *****hi steve. i think a great deal of the confusion, if there is any, is experienced because of the two " worlds " which co-exist simultaneously. they're given various names: e.g., relative & absolute or immanent & transcendent. the Energy that animates all the manifest forms in life exists both momentarily and eternally, as unborn & undying energy. both expressions of that Energy -- the relative and absolute -- are co-exist simultaneously in their own respective senses. the expression will be clear or confusing depending on *how* it is heard. so, " there is nothing for me to know " ... in an absolute sense, yes, most certainly, but i suspect few parents will raise a child with that perspective. why? won't Life take care of it all? perhaps. however we not only are expressions of the absolute, but also apparent inhabitants of a relative world, a world of conditioning, a world where it is efficacious to know things (the difference between a hammer and a screwdriver, the difference between a salubrious herb and arsenic). thus: one truth, like one coin, with two sides to each, each equally valid, each equally functional at every moment. the energy we entified forms are exists on both sides of the coin simultaneously. it is quite amazing, yes? as to why the mind looks at nothing and calls it something.....BK's comment is provocative, but i think that any human ascribing of meaning or motivation to the infinite (mind) is speculative at best. this arena in which we walk, play, love, murder, laugh, hate, cry, grieve...this relative world of becoming is where we commune using words & thoughts which are pale approximations of What Is. in this arena, the localized consciousness that we each are, the energy which we each are, is expressed in finite form. how can that which is finite, while it is finite, ever understand or appreciate the infinite (which it also is, always)? thus the use of pointers, estimations that miss the mark by an unimaginable margin, but which some of us are nonetheless compelled to mouth. and that's the heart of the matter isn't? ..... " compelled to mouth " .... in this immanent existence in which we appear to move, as we are finite expressions of the infinite, we have no independent existence do we? we are *localized* manifestations of Consciousness (Awareness, God, Totality, the Tao, Love) and we dance Its dance, oftentimes confused that it is our own will, our own 'self' which moves the thoughts, the arms, legs, wheels, and devices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 Hi Steve, thanks for the quotes. > " The mind looks at nothing, and calls it something to keep it from > experiencing itself......Love. BK > > This appears to be telling me the same thing, which is, there is > nothing but something that has been named Love, including a BK and a > Steve D. The way I read this quote of is a little bit different from what you say here. At the risk of again adding needless words, I'll give it a shot: " The mind looks at nothing " -- it is nothing because all the mind can see is projected, illusions -- " and calls it something " -- that's how the mind works: it judges, and judgements make nothing into something -- " to keep it from experiencing itself " -- the judgements, the workings of the mind, obstruct the merging of awareness with reality. " .... Love " -- when awareness and reality merge, it is experienced as Love. The experience is Love because the merging of awareness with reality will contain all, without separation. The judgements that the mind produces separate this from that and me from you. They fragment Reality and shatter Awareness in bits and pieces. Without judgements: no separation. But then again the bits and pieces are just what we need to mirror All that is, else we would never know. " Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. " (And I was raised an Atheist... :-) ) Love ... Eva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 Dear Eva, Thanks for the additional words. Same as I see it but was too lazy to write it all out. " If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. " Steve D. > Hi Steve, > > thanks for the quotes. > > > " The mind looks at nothing, and calls it something to keep it from > > experiencing itself......Love. BK > > > > This appears to be telling me the same thing, which is, there is > > nothing but something that has been named Love, including a BK and > a > > Steve D. > > The way I read this quote of is a little bit different from > what you say here. > At the risk of again adding needless words, I'll give it a shot: > > " The mind looks at nothing " -- it is nothing because all the mind > can see is projected, illusions -- > " and calls it something " -- that's how the mind works: it judges, > and judgements make nothing into something -- > " to keep it from experiencing itself " -- the judgements, the > workings of the mind, obstruct the merging of awareness with > reality. > " .... Love " -- when awareness and reality merge, it is experienced > as Love. > > The experience is Love because the merging of awareness with reality > will contain all, without separation. > The judgements that the mind produces separate this from that and me > from you. They fragment Reality and shatter Awareness in bits and > pieces. Without judgements: no separation. > But then again the bits and pieces are just what we need to mirror > All that is, else we would never know. > > " Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, > endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will > pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it > will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but > when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. " > > (And I was raised an Atheist... :-) ) > > Love ... > > Eva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Hug's Jan xox "You cannot control what happens to you, but you can control your attitude toward what happens to you, and in that, you will be mastering change rather than allowing it to master you." - AngelStar Creations MWL4 TriciaC 11/05/2008 No Tutorial Stat AngelStar Creations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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