Re: this is your world - Jan - Steve

[Guest guest]

" SteveDaily " wrote:

> Dear Jan,

>

> You said: " -Knowing what -Loving What Is- for me isn't the point.

> It's just a tool that can shift and change to meet whatever needs my

> barriers to love demand to be loosened by...so is it important to

> define Loving What Is? "

>

> Help me out here. I have no clue what the above post was saying?

> Can you say it another way so perhaps I can understand what you

> mean? As usual, I hear wht is being said but I can't hear what you

> mean. Steve D.

Hey I'm just taking a quote from you...you said something like - " for

me, that's what Loving What Is is. "

That statement of yours is why I wrote the above paragraph.

My mission isn't to uphold, understand, defend, clarify, sink into,

Byron and Loving What Is. For me, that's another distraction.

My only mission is to get clear - my use of Loving What Is both helps

and hinders that process.

You just seem more protective of Loving What Is than Steve. From over

here you appear to abandon yourself alot for that purpose.

That's all....hope this makes sense...Blessings - Jan

[Guest guest]

dear Jan,

Thank you for your explanation. I appreciate you taking the time to

help me understand.

Blessings, Steve D.

> > Dear Jan,

> >

> > You said: " -Knowing what -Loving What Is- for me isn't the point.

> > It's just a tool that can shift and change to meet whatever needs

my

> > barriers to love demand to be loosened by...so is it important to

> > define Loving What Is? "

> >

> > Help me out here. I have no clue what the above post was

saying?

> > Can you say it another way so perhaps I can understand what you

> > mean? As usual, I hear wht is being said but I can't hear what

you

> > mean. Steve D.

>

> Hey I'm just taking a quote from you...you said something like -

" for

> me, that's what Loving What Is is. "

>

> That statement of yours is why I wrote the above paragraph.

>

> My mission isn't to uphold, understand, defend, clarify, sink into,

> Byron and Loving What Is. For me, that's another

distraction.

> My only mission is to get clear - my use of Loving What Is both

helps

> and hinders that process.

>

> You just seem more protective of Loving What Is than Steve. From

over

> here you appear to abandon yourself alot for that purpose.

>

> That's all....hope this makes sense...Blessings - Jan

[Guest guest]

>

> You just seem more protective of Loving What Is than Steve. From

> over here you appear to abandon yourself alot for that purpose.

>

Jan how does it feel to be Steve D.-realized?

The thing I love about the Work is that I get to be self-realized not

Steve D.-realized.

How about a turnaround?

" I just seem more protective of Loving What Is than Jan. From

over here I appear to abandon myself alot for that purpose. "

Now I personally would find your reflections on the turnaround, much

more valuable and interesting than another story about Steve D.

Loving what is ...

[Guest guest]

" lovetheworkofbk " wrote:

>

> " I just seem more protective of Loving What Is than Jan. From

> over here I appear to abandon myself alot for that purpose. "

>

> Now I personally would find your reflections on the turnaround, much

> more valuable and interesting than another story about Steve D.

>

> Loving what is ...

Why would you personally find my reflections on the turnaround

valuable? Are you not doing what you feel I am doing and abandoning

yourself by being in my business reflecting on that moment occurring?

I don't see you loving what is...but that's just my noticing...

One thing doesn't do is confuse noticings with the work. I

don't do the work on noticings either - it's not necessary. It would

be like I'm sitting here - is it true?

But you can do the work on whatever comes up for you out of all

this...if that serves you.

Blessings - Jan

[Guest guest]

> Why would you personally find my reflections on the turnaround

> valuable?

Perhaps they could have reminded me that self-realization is much

less stressful and honest than Steve D. realization.

> Are you not doing what you feel I am doing and abandoning

> yourself by being in my business reflecting on that moment

> occurring?

I am not in your business Jan. I am not telling you not to be Steve

D. realized. I just asked you how that felt. I find it interesting

that you didn't respond to that question.

>

> I don't see you loving what is...but that's just my noticing...

>

Of course you realize that your " noticing " has NOTHING at all to do

with me. This is one of the big " problems " with being other-realized,

I have no way of knowing what someone else is really experiencing. I

could be deeply loving what is, and yet you believe your " noticing "

(story) that I am not.

In the moment I see anyone not loving what is, I realize that I can

NEVER know whether that is true or not. I can turn the statement

around to " I don't see me loving what is " and see if that sounds

truer.

> One thing doesn't do is confuse noticings with the work. I

> don't do the work on noticings either - it's not necessary. It

> would be like I'm sitting here - is it true?

>

Oh my God .... first you are Steve D. realized now you are

realized. How do you know what does or doesn't do?

Noticing something about Steve D. and noticing that you are sitting

in a chair are not quite the same thing. Sitting in a chair is what

is, your noticing's about Steve D. are just your stories which have

NOTHING at all to do with what is.

> But you can do the work on whatever comes up for you out of all

> this...if that serves you.

Hmmm ... can't find any stressful thoughts about you or this dialog

that I could inquire on. It has been a wonderful reminder to me that

I should be self-realized not other-realized, so I thank you for that

small piece of beauty. Blessings also to Steve D. for being a mirror

for my thoughts.

Loving what is ...

[Guest guest]

dear LoveTheWorkofBK,

Blessings back to you as well.

Your posts remind me of my old friend Neo. Sweet.

Love, Steve D.

>

> > Why would you personally find my reflections on the turnaround

> > valuable?

>

>

> Perhaps they could have reminded me that self-realization is much

> less stressful and honest than Steve D. realization.

>

>

> > Are you not doing what you feel I am doing and abandoning

> > yourself by being in my business reflecting on that moment

> > occurring?

>

>

> I am not in your business Jan. I am not telling you not to be Steve

> D. realized. I just asked you how that felt. I find it interesting

> that you didn't respond to that question.

>

> >

> > I don't see you loving what is...but that's just my noticing...

> >

>

> Of course you realize that your " noticing " has NOTHING at all to do

> with me. This is one of the big " problems " with being other-

realized,

> I have no way of knowing what someone else is really experiencing.

I

> could be deeply loving what is, and yet you believe your " noticing "

> (story) that I am not.

>

> In the moment I see anyone not loving what is, I realize that I can

> NEVER know whether that is true or not. I can turn the statement

> around to " I don't see me loving what is " and see if that sounds

> truer.

>

>

> > One thing doesn't do is confuse noticings with the work. I

> > don't do the work on noticings either - it's not necessary. It

> > would be like I'm sitting here - is it true?

> >

>

> Oh my God .... first you are Steve D. realized now you are

> realized. How do you know what does or doesn't do?

>

> Noticing something about Steve D. and noticing that you are sitting

> in a chair are not quite the same thing. Sitting in a chair is what

> is, your noticing's about Steve D. are just your stories which have

> NOTHING at all to do with what is.

>

>

> > But you can do the work on whatever comes up for you out of all

> > this...if that serves you.

>

>

> Hmmm ... can't find any stressful thoughts about you or this dialog

> that I could inquire on. It has been a wonderful reminder to me

that

> I should be self-realized not other-realized, so I thank you for

that

> small piece of beauty. Blessings also to Steve D. for being a

mirror

> for my thoughts.

>

>

> Loving what is ...

[Guest guest]

" lovetheworkofbk " wrote:

>

>

> I am not in your business Jan. I am not telling you not to be Steve

> D. realized. I just asked you how that felt. I find it interesting

> that you didn't respond to that question.

It probably feels for me exactly the same way you feel as you write

this post.

>

> Loving what is ...

Thanks for showing me that when I abandon myself it's never a very

loving thing to do. And when I use Loving What Is as some sort of

weaponry - I lose something very valuable.

You sound upset - I could be wrong - just sounds that way to me. I

apologize for whatever role my words played in us reaching this

interchange because this doesn't feel very loving to me.

Blessings - Jan

[Guest guest]

i'm having fun reading your posts...from the very first time you posted the

thought 'this is the one that used to be called 'neo' came to me. i'm enjoying

reading your words and wondering if your posting under a different name...and it

really doesn't matter what we 'call' ourselves, since there are no new thoughts

and thoughts are just arising...blah, blah, blah,. still, having some fun

wondering :0)

lovetheworkofbk wrote:

>

> You just seem more protective of Loving What Is than Steve. From

> over here you appear to abandon yourself alot for that purpose.

>

Jan how does it feel to be Steve D.-realized?

The thing I love about the Work is that I get to be self-realized not

Steve D.-realized.

How about a turnaround?

" I just seem more protective of Loving What Is than Jan. From

over here I appear to abandon myself alot for that purpose. "

Now I personally would find your reflections on the turnaround, much

more valuable and interesting than another story about Steve D.

Loving what is ...

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks for showing me that when I abandon myself it's never a very

> loving thing to do. And when I use Loving What Is as some sort of

> weaponry - I lose something very valuable.

>

> You sound upset - I could be wrong - just sounds that way to me. I

> apologize for whatever role my words played in us reaching this

> interchange because this doesn't feel very loving to me.

>

Perhaps the interchange feels unloving because you are losing part of

your identity i.e. Jan who is Steve D. realized. Actually the

exchange is very loving if I am interested in the truth, it just

feels unloving to the ego identity because it is being undone.

One of my favorite BK videos is " Prison of the mind " where a group of

prisoners start to lose their identities as someone who is a victim

of the system, or someone whos father no longer loves them. Touching

stuff to watch a nightmare die, and someone discover the love which

was always there, just hidden by a false identity (story).

Loving what is ...