Re: this is your world - eva - jeremy

[Guest guest]

" Eva Lobach " wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> Some of my thoughts about this:

>

> To fall in love totally with a perpetrator is to embrace all of me.

> What's keeping me? Believing the thought that what he/she does is

> not okay. And believing the thought that what I do is about me and

> what you do is about about you, something that separates me from

> you, separates us from each other.

>

> What are your thoughts about it?

>

> Love,

> Eva

Hi Eva-

I hear your question, loved it, and this is what it is for me.

has said that no two people were ever in love - it's IMPOSSIBLE.

Therefore for me, I cannot love " Hitler " , I can only inquire and drop

the story that says that my perception of Hitler is wrong and ask

myself - why can't I love Hitler? But dropping my story of Hitler's

boo boo is done at some level that doesn't involve me - when I have

the miracle of understanding, the story simply drops away.

I suspect that the perp only dwells inside me and doesn't really exist

*out there* at all.

So for me the question is - why can't I love all of me?

Once again I'm separate internally. THAT'S THE SEPARATION that is

reflected outside myself everywhere I look.

That separation is between my head and my heart so the journey is to

go from " thinking " with my head to experiencing with my heart.

For me, the Work is fabulous, but only partially effective at healing

this rift.

The work of a Chopich and Margaret is infinitely more

effective in explaining this and offering wonderful processes for

healing this rift.

You're still using your " stories " , but the way (how) you inquire is

completely altered. The actual process is just a small alteration

from the way you do the work now, but the shift in realizations from

implementing that shift is HUGE.

For me, I've found a key that is unlocking a door that I've simply not

had access to - humor is that key has always been within reach - I

just didn't know how to pick it up or was so distracted from my inner

noise that on the way to pick it up I always got side tracked!!!

NOW for me this journey is getting really exciting...

Blessings - Jan

[Guest guest]

" Eva Lobach " wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> Some of my thoughts about this:

>

> To fall in love totally with a perpetrator is to embrace all of me.

> What's keeping me? Believing the thought that what he/she does is

> not okay. And believing the thought that what I do is about me and

> what you do is about about you, something that separates me from

> you, separates us from each other.

>

> What are your thoughts about it?

>

> Love,

> Eva

---For reasons there are no clear explanations for to me, consciousness

needs to keep things in compartments, so that we can move about in the world

not bumping into things, or getting things confused...like " What part of

this is me and what part of this is you? " That's how we seem to " understand "

things, and I'm Ok with that.

---There is a part of us that is there to keep us from being hurt. We avoid

angry, violent people. We create a wide swatch around someone wielding a

weapon. These are tactics that make sense to me, and work to protect the

thing that I am. But absent the adjustments to protect myself, safe at home

where I can think about it...the only distinction between myself and the

person I avoided was that I was preserving myself against a threat I

saw...then.

---Having participated in at least one war, I can say that protecting

yourself can do a job on how you perceive the humanity of others. Yet no

matter how much I hated and feared my enemy, when he was delivered into my

control, I couldn't help but see his vulnerabilities as being the same as

mine. He had a family. He had a mother and father. He suffered from pain, he

wept at things that would make me weep. Absent my fear of him, there was

more of us the same than different.

---I'm all right with the fact that to protect myself, I thought of my enemy

as " killable " first, a human being second. Had I not done that my presenting

self would probably not have been that of a veteran who survived a war. But

decades later, I also take the time now and then to admire my " enemy " . He

fought for what he saw as his homeland, far from his family and friends. He

came at superior American forces with a rusty AK 47 and a bowl of rice and

defeated them. That is something years later I can admire and incorporate

into my understanding of who my enemy is, beyond my fear of him.

---I think you have to do that from time to time, in order to not wake up in

a world one day, peopled by strangers out to kill you. Sometimes you have to

embrace the humanity in everyone, to rediscover your own...even when it

comes down to making peace with your enemies within and forgiving yourself,

and those who trespass against you inside and outside of your personal

worlds. And that's what I learned, being a soldier who survived a war...in a

distant land a long time ago.

[Guest guest]

Dear Matt,

> ---There is a part of us that is there to keep us from being hurt. We

> avoid

> angry, violent people. We create a wide swatch around someone wielding

> a

> weapon.

Some of us seem not to.

> ---I'm all right with the fact that to protect myself, I thought of my

> enemy

> as " killable " first, a human being second. Had I not done that my

> presenting

> self would probably not have been that of a veteran who survived a war.

To me that is a painful thought. And I understand you. And I hear that

you love your story.

> ---I think you have to do that from time to time, in order to not wake

> up in

> a world one day, peopled by strangers out to kill you. Sometimes you

> have to

> embrace the humanity in everyone, to rediscover your own...even when it

> comes down to making peace with your enemies within and forgiving

> yourself,

> and those who trespass against you inside and outside of your personal

> worlds. And that's what I learned, being a soldier who survived a

> war...in a

> distant land a long time ago.

I believe falling totally in love with what is also makes you see that

your worst enemy is your best friend.

He will kill me? If he does, it's for my own best. And imagining how

painful it is for me to kill someone, I can see how brave a deed he is

doing for me. Sacrificing himself to give me realization.

Love,

[Guest guest]

Dear Matt,

> ---There is a part of us that is there to keep us from being hurt.

> We avoid angry, violent people. We create a wide swatch around

> someone wielding a weapon.

Some of us seem not to.

*****Yeah. Hospital emergency rooms are full of these people. :-)))

> ---I'm all right with the fact that to protect myself, I thought of

> my enemy as " killable " first, a human being second. Had I not done

> that my presenting self would probably not have been that of a

> veteran who survived a war.

To me that is a painful thought. And I understand you. And I hear that

you love your story.

*****Painful thought? The drive for survival, the lusting for life

to continue? Where is the pain in that?

> ---I think you have to do that from time to time, in order to not

> wake up in a world one day, peopled by strangers out to kill you.

> Sometimes you have to embrace the humanity in everyone, to

> rediscover your own...even when it comes down to making peace with

> your enemies within and forgiving yourself, and those who trespass

> against you inside and outside of your personal worlds. And that's

> what I learned, being a soldier who survived a war...in a

> distant land a long time ago.

I believe falling totally in love with what is also makes you see that

your worst enemy is your best friend.

*****Well, at least you recognize that this is simply another belief.

He will kill me? If he does, it's for my own best.

*****This is the kind of stupidity that appears when one confuses the

two " levels. " (In some circles it is known as the " Advaita

Shuffle. " ) It's not your fault. Byron (like Dogen Zenji in

the 13th century, and others as well), moves between these levels

fluidily. One moment she is speaking from the perspective of the

relative, the dream/illusory world that we, in general, take as the

everyday world of duality. Mostly we function out of this

perspective. The next moment she shifts into the perspective of the

Absolute wherein nothing is created or destroyed, and in which there

is no duality, no life or death. Both worlds exist simultaneously.

It's like those paintings where if you look at them from just a

slightly different angle you see a dramatically different picture,

although the painting hasn't changed at all, it's just your

perspective which was altered.

And imagining how painful it is for me to kill someone, I can see how

brave a deed he is doing for me. Sacrificing himself to give me

realization.

*****Ha! If he kills you, there is no " you " left to been given

realization (although there never was, actually). [bTW...what do you

imagine is this " realization " ? Do you think you would know when you

have it?].......In any case, you are only fantasizing, *imagining*

that were you to kill someone else, you would feel pain. When your

life is on the line, when you are defending yourself and it is a

matter of your survival or the other person's, then we'll see what

decision happens. ;-))) Until then, it is all empty speculation.