Re: The Shoulds - The purpose of my life

[Guest guest]

>

> But they SHOULDN'T. I'm stuck in believing that " the way things

> should be " is a goal that we should strive for. Otherwise, why go

> into a helping profession at all? Why be a doctor unless you want

> to help others not be sick? Why be a lawyer unless you want to help

> bring justice and fairness to the world? (You can see that I'm an

> innocent naif here, thinking only of pure motivations!)

> Why be a teacher unless you want to open the world of knowledge to

> kids and help them reach for the stars? Why be a counselor unless

> you want to help others overcome their problems?

>

> Why run a School for The Work unless you believe that Doing The

> Work is the best way to be?

>

> If there is a Best Way to Be, then there is a Should.

>

Thank you for this response

There is a BK video " Sampler of the Work " where helps a woman

find out what her " real " purpose in life is. In the video it turned

out that the purpose of her life was just to be in the room at that

moment talking to . s purpose in life was not to run the

School for the Work, but just to be in that room talking to the woman.

Maybe the purpose of existence is not really so grand as to help

anyone (not that that is even possible) maybe its just to sit here

until I don't. To write this email to you, until I don't. To cross my

legs, until I don't.

The problem for me with having a grand purpose like being a doctor or

a lawyer or a teacher, is that it can be very stressful. I have to

live up to being whatever a doctor, or lawyer or teacher is.

So maybe you don't need a goal for your life, maybe just being you is

enough. Maybe just being sitting on a chair reading this email

is a great blessing to this world, and the purpose of your existence.

Loving what is ...

[Guest guest]

The problem for me with having a grand purpose like being a doctor or

a lawyer or a teacher, is that it can be very stressful.

***** " Grand purpose " ? As a teacher, I don't see it as such.

Stressful? This is just another belief. I don't experience it in

that manner.

I have to live up to being whatever a doctor, or lawyer or teacher is.

*****What do you mean by the words " I have to live up to being... " ?

[Guest guest]

>

>

> I have to live up to being whatever a doctor, or lawyer or teacher

> is.

>

> *****What do you mean by the words " I have to live up to being... " ?

Being a teacher would seem to be based on a series of concepts, like:

I can teach someone something.

Someone doesn't know what I know.

Someone can benefit from what I have to teach.

The question is are they true or not? I find these concepts stressful

and I am not even a teacher, but I can't know what the experience of

others is.

The thing I like about the Work in comparison to the non-dualistic

teachers is that has no " formal " teachings she just has four

questions and a turnaround. I use the questions and go into my " heart

mind connection " and find out what is really true.

I don't think even sees herself as a teacher, she has stated

that her only purpose is to sit until she stands, to walk until she

sits, to talk to someone until she doesn't. Got to love how peaceful

life is when what is, is enough.

Loving what is ....

[Guest guest]

For me reality is that sometimes all these concepts are true.

> Being a teacher would seem to be based on a series of concepts,

like:

>

> I can teach someone something.

If you are interested in learning something and I have the proper

knowledge and are interested in teaching you what I know and know

how to do it, it could happen that I can teach you something and you

can learn something.

>

> Someone doesn't know what I know.

Of cource someone doesn´t know what I know. Do you speak Swedish? If

not, I know a whole language that you don´t.

>

> Someone can benefit from what I have to teach.

If you moved to Sweden and you didn´t understand the language and

you were interested in learning it and I was your teacher, then I

belive you could benefit from what I have to teach.

>

> The question is are they true or not? I find these concepts

stressful

Why do you find them stressful?

> and I am not even a teacher, but I can't know what the experience

of

> others is.

>

> The thing I like about the Work in comparison to the non-dualistic

> teachers is that has no " formal " teachings she just has four

> questions and a turnaround. I use the questions and go into

my " heart

> mind connection " and find out what is really true.

I think this is a great way of teaching. I have found it effective

to put my students in situations where they can find out for them

selfs if a mathematic rule for instance, is true or not.

>

> I don't think even sees herself as a teacher, she has stated

> that her only purpose is to sit until she stands, to walk until

she

> sits, to talk to someone until she doesn't. Got to love how

peaceful

> life is when what is, is enough.

>

>

> Loving what is ....

Love,

[Guest guest]

Being a teacher would seem to be based on a series of concepts, like:

I can teach someone something.

Someone doesn't know what I know.

Someone can benefit from what I have to teach.

*****There may come a time when " teaching " happens, even in the

absence of the above concepts. Personally, when I am teaching what I

am doing (viewed in retrospect) is I am sharing what I know with

others who don't yet know that material. I have not the slightest

thought or concern with the concepts listed above and I don't even

think " I am teacher. " I'm just doing what I'm doing because of an

irresistable compulsion to DO it. There is no efforting and no

interest in the concepts listed above.

The question is are they true or not? I find these concepts stressful

and I am not even a teacher, but I can't know what the experience of

others is.

*****I don't see how a concept can be stressful, and this is not to

deny your experience. I'm simply saying that a concept is a thought,

plain energy. Energy is neither stressful nor peaceful. The fact

that others may not experience the same concepts as stressful

suggests, to me, that the stress is not " in " the concepts but is

rather a conditioned reaction and not inherent to the concepts

themselves. In other words, experiencing the concepts as stressful

is a personal reaction based on a combination of memory (conscious or

unconscious) and fantasy (projection: " if I were in such a position I

would feel stressed " ).

The thing I like about the Work in comparison to the non-dualistic

teachers is that has no " formal " teachings she just has four

questions and a turnaround. I use the questions and go into my " heart

mind connection " and find out what is really true.

*****I find meditative inquiry does the same thing: focusing on where

the blockages are, physically...attending to the flow of energy in

the body....physically noting tightness, clenching, holding back.

Not an intellectual exercise at all, this type of meditation, with no

goal other than to listen, feel, see, can allow the entire

identification with the me-network to fall away.

I don't think even sees herself as a teacher,

*****Perhaps that is so. What does, sees, thinks, says, is of

no value whatsoever. None at all. Imagining or believing such

things leads to even greater confusion.

she has stated that her only purpose is to sit until she stands, to

walk until she sits, to talk to someone until she doesn't. Got to

love how peaceful life is when what is, is enough.

*****Yes, a perfect machine, responding perfectly to life's

imperatives. Just remember: doing The Work didn't get her there. A

prolonged psychic breakdown followed by a profound Opening seem to

have been the critical elements (although billions of other causes

participated in the final effect). That is why I say it is useless

to rely on her as a " model. " You can't duplicate her experience.

You have your own path to walk.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I can teach someone something.

>

> If you are interested in learning something and I have the proper

> knowledge and are interested in teaching you what I know and know

> how to do it, it could happen that I can teach you something and

> you can learn something.

> >

> > Someone doesn't know what I know.

>

> Of cource someone doesn´t know what I know. Do you speak Swedish?

> If not, I know a whole language that you don´t.

>

> >

> > Someone can benefit from what I have to teach.

>

> If you moved to Sweden and you didn´t understand the language and

> you were interested in learning it and I was your teacher, then I

> belive you could benefit from what I have to teach.

>

Yes it does appear on the surface that someone can teach Swedish and

someone can learn it.

But is that true? When I dig deep into my heart its just not true for

me. Since all life is one, everyone has access to all knowledge. The

concept of a teacher and a student implies that one part of the whole

has access to knowledge that another part of the whole does not. To

me that seems absurd. I do not need anyone outside of me to teach me

Swedish, I can go within my heart and its all there. This

recollection of our universal knowledge happens all the time and the

world calls them prodigies or geniuses. No one taught Albert Einstein

the theory of nuclear physics, he accessed the knowledge from the

universal mind.

But perhaps you are saying then why don't I know Swedish? A good

question. The reason I don't know Swedish, is because I believe the

thought that I don't have access to that knowledge from the universal

mind. Nothing stands between me and all knowledge except for

unexamined thoughts. Hence the importance of the Work.

Even in the story of teacher and student, what is really going on?

For me the teacher is doing nothing, the student is simply recalling

what he has always known from the universal mind. It appears that the

teacher is teaching the student but that is because they are both

confused.

This is also why the Work works so brilliantly, because knows

that there is nothing to teach. She gives you the questions and you

dig deep and recall what you have always known.

Loving what is ...

[Guest guest]

--- In Loving-what-is , " Andy " <endofthedream@y...> >

> *****Yes, a perfect machine, responding perfectly to life's

> imperatives. Just remember: doing The Work didn't get her there.

> A prolonged psychic breakdown followed by a profound Opening seem

> to have been the critical elements (although billions of other

> causes participated in the final effect). That is why I say it is

> useless to rely on her as a " model. " You can't duplicate her

> experience. You have your own path to walk.

I remember someone asking whether it was necessary to suffer as

she did to gain her clarity. She said " No " . She has accessed the

universal wisdom and brought back the four questions and a turnaround

as a way to freedom.

So I don't have to be depressed for ten years and have a cockroach

crawl over my foot. My way is much less stressful. If I am interested

in freedom and the end of suffering all I have to do is question my

stressful beliefs (thoughts). This is my path. , this group and

the LWI organization are just a beautiful bonus, but my freedom or

suffering depends totally on me as it always did.

Loving what is ...

[Guest guest]

Hello

I've read your posts on how you feel that we all have access to

knowledge and how this would seem to exclude the fact of a teacher

being a " middle-hand " in us receiving this knowledge.

I do believe you could learn swedish without a direct physical

single human being the deliverer of this language and it's form.

But wether you learn it from a person, several persons or what have

you.

You would still " learn " this language after a while.

You wouldn't speak swedish by a simple wish for that access of

knowledge and then you would have it.

What reality seems to show me in this case is, that when going from

speaking one audible language to another, it is bound by concepts

of " time " , " practice " and " individual " .

Could you learn to write in chinese? Yes that is likely if you

really wish to learn it.

Would you need a teacher, not necessarily one single person being

between you and the language.

Would you have to have something deliviring the rules of language

form to learn? It seems to help a lot of people.

I believe we use people, animals, mountains etc etc to learn about

things in life.

We access the knowledge of life from all things in life, hence the

saying " everything in life can teach you something " , be it a person

or something else.

I find this perception of yours about " learning " very interesting.

Do you feel that we all know everything automatically when it

appears?

Like how to build a spacecraft to travel in the speed of light?

Is it all " there " within us, for us to simply remember?

Or can it possibly be that somethings that are both new or old, are

added to this knowledge of ours through the course of living?

Take care

- Hans

[Guest guest]

Dear LWI,

my beliefs about teaching isn´t causing me stress. I heard you said

yours causes you stress. It makes me curious. You say all life is

one, and therefore we have access to eachothers knowledge. Do you

mean without communication with someone outside yourself? Maybe this

is true. Maybe I will wake up tommorrow and know how to programme a

computer or speak Italian. This hasn´t happened to me yet. I don´t

know about Eistein or you. My reality is that learning happens when

there is some kind of communication with something outside of myself

and when I believe reality I feel no stress. This is what makes me

curious. You say you believe that you just have to listen to your

heart and then you will have access to every human beings, animals,

flowers, oceans knowledge. Fine! Where does the stress come from?

This sentence made me laugh: It appears that the

> teacher is teaching the student but that is because they are both

> confused.

I didn´t laugh at you but because I recognized myself in this. Poor

humans, going around and not seeing what I see! How confused they

are! How do you know they are confused, and how does it make you

feel when you think so about others?

My answer: I don´t know that they are confused. Most likely it is me

who is confused when I think that thought. It makes me feel superior

and arrogant. I think that what I belive is better and higher than

what they believe. Talk about confusion! Who would you be without

that thought when you teach, for instance? I would see us as equal,

no one is better because of what they know than anyone else. And I

could let people believe what they believe if that is what they

want. And see that it is none of my business. My method of learning

doesn´t have to be the best for others. TA: They are not confused.

Could be. I am confused. Yes, truer. I am when I believe they are

because I have no idea of that and I am in their business.

Thank you!

Love,

>

> > >

> > > I can teach someone something.

> >

> > If you are interested in learning something and I have the

proper

> > knowledge and are interested in teaching you what I know and

know

> > how to do it, it could happen that I can teach you something and

> > you can learn something.

> > >

> > > Someone doesn't know what I know.

> >

> > Of cource someone doesn´t know what I know. Do you speak Swedish?

> > If not, I know a whole language that you don´t.

> >

> > >

> > > Someone can benefit from what I have to teach.

> >

> > If you moved to Sweden and you didn´t understand the language

and

> > you were interested in learning it and I was your teacher, then

I

> > belive you could benefit from what I have to teach.

> >

>

> Yes it does appear on the surface that someone can teach Swedish

and

> someone can learn it.

>

> But is that true? When I dig deep into my heart its just not true

for

> me. Since all life is one, everyone has access to all knowledge.

The

> concept of a teacher and a student implies that one part of the

whole

> has access to knowledge that another part of the whole does not.

To

> me that seems absurd. I do not need anyone outside of me to teach

me

> Swedish, I can go within my heart and its all there. This

> recollection of our universal knowledge happens all the time and

the

> world calls them prodigies or geniuses. No one taught Albert

Einstein

> the theory of nuclear physics, he accessed the knowledge from the

> universal mind.

>

> But perhaps you are saying then why don't I know Swedish? A good

> question. The reason I don't know Swedish, is because I believe

the

> thought that I don't have access to that knowledge from the

universal

> mind. Nothing stands between me and all knowledge except for

> unexamined thoughts. Hence the importance of the Work.

>

> Even in the story of teacher and student, what is really going on?

> For me the teacher is doing nothing, the student is simply

recalling

> what he has always known from the universal mind. It appears that

the

> teacher is teaching the student but that is because they are both

> confused.

>

> This is also why the Work works so brilliantly, because

knows

> that there is nothing to teach. She gives you the questions and

you

> dig deep and recall what you have always known.

>

> Loving what is ...

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone

I understand all this student teacher thing

in two ways:

1.

I come to see that

I say to other people (teach)

mostly what I need to hear myself.

When I give someone an advice,

that he should do something in order for him to be happy...

sometimes it is someting I need to say to myself,

in order for me to be happy

If I will turn the advice around

it might be a prescription for my hapiness

(do know what i mean? ;-) )

So I am guiding / teaching mayself here...

2.

On the other hand,

we all know that the people we are living with,

especially these who annoyes us

are the BEST TEACHER we can ask for.

They will push our buttons,

reflect us what we dont want to know about ourself...

So

Maybe I can put it this way:

I " teach you " what I need to learn

So, I am teaching me.

And the people I am leaving with,

who annoyes me,

are my teachers.

Does it make sense?

[Guest guest]

It makes perfect sense.

Steeve D.

> Hi everyone

>

> I understand all this student teacher thing

> in two ways:

>

> 1.

> I come to see that

> I say to other people (teach)

> mostly what I need to hear myself.

>

> When I give someone an advice,

> that he should do something in order for him to be happy...

> sometimes it is someting I need to say to myself,

> in order for me to be happy

> If I will turn the advice around

> it might be a prescription for my hapiness

> (do know what i mean? ;-) )

> So I am guiding / teaching mayself here...

>

> 2.

> On the other hand,

> we all know that the people we are living with,

> especially these who annoyes us

> are the BEST TEACHER we can ask for.

> They will push our buttons,

> reflect us what we dont want to know about ourself...

>

> So

>

> Maybe I can put it this way:

> I " teach you " what I need to learn

> So, I am teaching me.

>

> And the people I am leaving with,

> who annoyes me,

> are my teachers.

>

> Does it make sense?

[Guest guest]

> This sentence made me laugh: It appears that the

> > teacher is teaching the student but that is because they are both

> > confused.

> I didn´t laugh at you but because I recognized myself in this.

> Poor humans, going around and not seeing what I see! How confused

> they are! How do you know they are confused, and how does it make

> you feel when you think so about others?

> My answer: I don´t know that they are confused. Most likely it is

> me who is confused when I think that thought. It makes me feel

> superior and arrogant. I think that what I belive is better and

> higher than what they believe. Talk about confusion! Who would you

> be without that thought when you teach, for instance? I would see

> us as equal, no one is better because of what they know than anyone

> else. And I could let people believe what they believe if that is

> what they want. And see that it is none of my business. My method

> of learning doesn´t have to be the best for others. TA: They are

> not confused.

> Could be. I am confused. Yes, truer. I am when I believe they are

> because I have no idea of that and I am in their business.

>

This made me laugh

Obviously I need to be more specific with my words. Of course no one

is confused (how could love be confused), however they may have

confused thoughts. And yes, I cannot know for certain that they have

confused thoughts that is just my story.

But I have noticed that has used the word " confusion " when

speaking about others, so I wonder why she did that? Maybe its just a

useful way of helping others understand their experience.

Loving what is ...

[Guest guest]

>

> Do you feel that we all know everything automatically when it

> appears?

> Like how to build a spacecraft to travel in the speed of light?

> Is it all " there " within us, for us to simply remember?

> Or can it possibly be that somethings that are both new or old, are

> added to this knowledge of ours through the course of living?

>

Hans do you think Einstein discovered E=mc2 as a result of rational

thought? I don't. Not that I can ever prove that to anyone.

I have another story that when mankind builds a spacecraft that can

travel at the speed of light, it will not be as a logical development

of what science currently knows. Just like the atomic bomb could not

be built prior to the work of Einstein. To build such a spaceship

requires another quantum leap in physics, by accessing the universal

intelligence. So one day a person like Einstein will be born who does

not believe the stories of this world about space travel. They will

access the universal intelligence and bring back the knowledge of

cold fusion, or advanced metalurgy to make the spacecraft possible.

Where do you think the Work of BK came from? After years of

depression had a moment of clarity when she accessed something

greater, but don't believe me read her story.

Loving what is ....

[Guest guest]

Dear LWI,

You wrote: Obviously I need to be more specific with my words.

I am glad you put your words the way you did. It showed me how it is

for me to believe others are confused. Thank you.

Love,

>

> > This sentence made me laugh: It appears that the

> > > teacher is teaching the student but that is because they are

both

> > > confused.

> > I didn´t laugh at you but because I recognized myself in this.

> > Poor humans, going around and not seeing what I see! How

confused

> > they are! How do you know they are confused, and how does it make

> > you feel when you think so about others?

> > My answer: I don´t know that they are confused. Most likely it

is

> > me who is confused when I think that thought. It makes me feel

> > superior and arrogant. I think that what I belive is better and

> > higher than what they believe. Talk about confusion! Who would

you

> > be without that thought when you teach, for instance? I would see

> > us as equal, no one is better because of what they know than

anyone

> > else. And I could let people believe what they believe if that is

> > what they want. And see that it is none of my business. My

method

> > of learning doesn´t have to be the best for others. TA: They are

> > not confused.

> > Could be. I am confused. Yes, truer. I am when I believe they

are

> > because I have no idea of that and I am in their business.

> >

>

> This made me laugh

>

> Obviously I need to be more specific with my words. Of course no

one

> is confused (how could love be confused), however they may have

> confused thoughts. And yes, I cannot know for certain that they

have

> confused thoughts that is just my story.

>

> But I have noticed that has used the word " confusion " when

> speaking about others, so I wonder why she did that? Maybe its

just a

> useful way of helping others understand their experience.

>

> Loving what is ...

[Guest guest]

Dear loveoftheworkofbk,

I can, if I order myself in that disposition, see a thousand and one

explainations for how Einstein came to his theories and etc.

What I believe is a always temporary, either forever or for a brief

moment, I do not know, I simply believe.

Inventors use life as a teacher, either the " process " of tapping in

to this universal intelligence directly or other forms of exposure.

Universal intelligence is the creation of all, so it is in all, I

believe, wether it is vast or limited intelligence, we are all part

of the same, this I believe.

I am a spiritualist, believing in growth of light and wisdom of ones

spirit/soul. Like the growth of a beautiful and happy seed to a

beautiful and happy flower or what have you.

The reason Byron found the peace and wisdom that she did at

that particular time, could also be seen as her having an

enlightened and higly evolved soul which used years of suffering to

gain more advantage in understanding the illusion of it, to later do

a real life insightful turnaround in an instant.

But still, wether it is about simply tapping into this universal

intelligence and knowledge, or learn all anew, or maybe a little bit

of both even for the sake of universal diversity, I still fail to

see how one would benefit in believing one way over the other.

To " learn " and/or to know as we said another language, it

takes " time " , it takes " practise " it takes an " individual " that is

right there to recieve it in the manner of effectivity.

I do believe in clarity and insight that can bring instan wisdom,

like a flash of lightning. That has been heard of and reported many

times before.

Yet everything is not black and white, with that I mean if you can

find wisdom instantly with what you've got, you would still not find

three, four, five different language abilities in any instant.

Those require, depending on the gifts of the person, much exposure

of the languages in question. Either by a teacher being the

teacher/exposure or the TV or the radio or a tape or what have you.

You wouldn't be able to ever read the book " Loving What Is " before

Byron wrote it, it just wasn't available. When it was written,

it was available, and brought to your attention by circumstances.

Those circumstances are indeed forms of teaching and exposure...

either to remind us or to learn us etc, doesn't matter to me

because... it still takes the exposure to get it.

If you wish to know more about the foundations of spiritualism and

its belief, feel free to visit these websites below:

www.stephenobrien.co.uk

www.freespace.virgin.net/byrne.john/fst/

Take care!

- Hans

[Guest guest]

> Yet everything is not black and white, with that I mean if you can

> find wisdom instantly with what you've got, you would still not

> find three, four, five different language abilities in any instant.

> Those require, depending on the gifts of the person, much exposure

> of the languages in question. Either by a teacher being the

> teacher/exposure or the TV or the radio or a tape or what have you.

>

Hans do you have any knowledge of hypnotism and past life

regressions? Well when people are regressed using hypnotism to

various past lives, it is well documented that they can speak a whole

host of languages from French to Italian, Greek even ancient Egyptian

and Aramaic. Now this phenomena would be impossible to explain if

people had to have exposure to the languages in question, since in

most cases the subjects only spoke English and certainly had no

exposure to the ancient dead languages of the Egyptians, Romans and

Jews.

However, this mastery of multiple languages is what I would expect if

someone were accessing the storehouse of languages in the vast

intelligence that some call God.

Some may wonder what the hell does this whole conversation have to do

with the Work of BK. Well the importance for me is this, when I ask

the four questions says to wait for the heart not the head to

answer. has also spoken of this heart mind as " connection " .

Connection to what one may wonder? I have a story that it is the

universal intelligence that she is directing us to. That universal

intelligence has also been spoken of as the still small voice of God.

Loving what is ...

[Guest guest]

>

> You wouldn't be able to ever read the book " Loving What Is " before

> Byron wrote it, it just wasn't available. When it was

> written, it was available, and brought to your attention by

> circumstances.

> Those circumstances are indeed forms of teaching and exposure...

> either to remind us or to learn us etc, doesn't matter to me

> because... it still takes the exposure to get it.

>

Hans what if the book " Loving What Is " already existed in the mind of

God and was just a channel for it into this world (dream).

Sound too impossible to be true? Maybe/Maybe not. Are you familiar

with the book " A Course in Miracles " ? This book (according to the

scribe Helen) was written as a result of channeling a book by Jesus

into this world.

Maybe all the books have already been written in the universal

intelligence of God. Each author channels one or more of those books

into this world, then they tell the story of how they wrote it. Just

like all the technology and science mankind will ever know is already

known. A scientist channles some new discovery, then they tell the

story of how it was their brilliant insight.

Now for you or anyone else to really grasp what I am saying is quite

terrifing because I am blowing your religion, your story that books

are written by authors and scientists make discoveries.

Loving what is ...

[Guest guest]

Dear love,

Am 03.08.2004 um 05:06 schrieb lovetheworkofbk:

>

>

> >

> > You wouldn't be able to ever read the book " Loving What Is " before

> > Byron wrote it, it just wasn't available. When it was

> > written, it was available, and brought to your attention by

> > circumstances.

> > Those circumstances are indeed forms of teaching and exposure...

> > either to remind us or to learn us etc, doesn't matter to me

> > because... it still takes the exposure to get it.

> >

>

> Hans what if the book " Loving What Is " already existed in the mind of

> God and was just a channel for it into this world (dream).

> Sound too impossible to be true? Maybe/Maybe not. Are you familiar

> with the book " A Course in Miracles " ? This book (according to the

> scribe Helen) was written as a result of channeling a book by Jesus

> into this world.

>

> Maybe all the books have already been written in the universal

> intelligence of God. Each author channels one or more of those books

> into this world, then they tell the story of how they wrote it. Just

> like all the technology and science mankind will ever know is already

> known. A scientist channles some new discovery, then they tell the

> story of how it was their brilliant insight.

> Now for you or anyone else to really grasp what I am saying is quite

> terrifing because I am blowing your religion, your story that books

> are written by authors and scientists make discoveries.

*who* *ever* *cares*?

What good is the concept of allabout knowledge? How can it be useful

for someone?

And who cares about *our* religion?

And could you explain how that concept of universal intelligence serves

you?

Love,

[Guest guest]

> *who* *ever* *cares*?

> What good is the concept of allabout knowledge? How can it be

> useful for someone?

> And who cares about *our* religion?

>

> And could you explain how that concept of universal intelligence

> serves you?

>

, calls it the " heart mind " the other polarity to

the " I know mind " . Do you understand what I am talking about now?

Is this concept useful? Well obviously finds it useful or she

wouldn't use it. I have a different name, but I have a story that we

are talking about the same thing. The BK video tape " Prison of the

Mind " also provides an excellent demonstration of how useful this

concept can be. Well that's my story, could be different for others.

Loving what is ...

[Guest guest]

> Hans do you have any knowledge of hypnotism and past life

> regressions? Well when people are regressed using hypnotism to

> various past lives, it is well documented that they can speak a

whole

> host of languages from French to Italian, Greek even ancient

Egyptian

> and Aramaic.

I know about this as well.

Because I believe in reincarnation and the progress of the living

soul in light and love and wisdom.

Souls that are suddenly able to speak another language through

hypnotism or past life regression have simply learned that language

before and are accessing the memory bank of their own soul where it

is.

A spirit guide once said about being asked how well he could

actually speak and write english, he said:

" I have had thousands of years to perfect the vastness and execution

of every word in my use of this language " .

The memory from past lives are usually not remembered here on this

present state of being, most likely for a reason.

So wether we are remember something or learning it, it doesn't

matter.

[Guest guest]

I do not believe your viewpoint and/or story about knowledge based

origin is terrifying.

I do believe that inventions are made possible through God who is

constantly changing, constantly recycling himself and constantly

reinventing himself.

God created everything - there is only One Power in the Universe;

nothing can exist outside of this Power of Consciousness, this Great

Spirit of Life; therefore, because this Spirit is present in every

personality that It has created, the 'Personality' of God can be

discovered Everywhere, and in every thing.

Billions of people think of God as being the Power of Love alone,

but in fact 'He' expresses 'Himself' through the three mighty forces

of Creation, Preservation and Transformation (or Destruction). He is

a Living and Evolving Spirit whose personality is perhaps most

evident in Nature, where life-forms are continuously 'created'

then 'destroyed' (sometimes by cataclysmic forces) only to be later

re-formed into 'new' creations.

And this concept of " new " is very vast but simple.

Where we have been and done, we have experienced, were others have

been and done, they can share with us.

My body can not go down in splits because I one day realize that it

can be done, my body has to evolve to that physical possibility.

The seed of our soul can not light up an entire universe, my soul

has to evolve to that spiritual possibility.

My width and gerth of wisdom can not encompass all details that are,

my wisdom has to evolve in it's width and gerth of knowledge.

For I believe wisdom is simply the proper application of knowledge,

aligned with the harmony of nature itself.

So I can understand why and how you believe that way you do, it

doesn't make any difference to me.

But you seem to have misunderstood me a bit, I do believe that all

that is today in knowledge is out there, accesible, yet I also at

the same time believe that the conditions and circumstances has to

be in a certain state of being for that access to happen even the

slightest.

Nothing remarkable to me, nothing even close to stress, just simply

what is

And... none of us are without stories in our perception, for the

moment we concieve a perception, it is a story.

Be it very aligned with reality or not, still a view of the sky.

" Ask yourself:

Why is it that we all the time, end up in arguments that lead to

harsh words and hard feelings?

Why is it necessary, always to convince your opponents in every

argument, that you are right?

In every argument, our opinion is formed by our lifelong experience,

which of course makes it absolutely unique and true, from my point

of view. This makes it my illusion of life! "

" Now, imagine the blue sky, as being the pure and absolute truth and

the clouds, as being obstacles that prevent you from seeing the

whole truth.

From were you stand your view of the sky will provide a certain

pattern of clouds and shapes, making it your `truth'. Your friend,

standing a mile away, will see another pattern and other shapes and

is also claiming to see the `truth'.

But never the less you and your friend are having an argument.

Some areas of the sky may be visible to both of you, enabling you to

agree on this particular part of the `truth'.

So, what happens if you make an effort to travel to the position of

your friend and look at the sky from there?

Suddenly you are able to see areas of the sky/truth that you

couldn't see before and you now can appreciate the view of your

friend.

This has happened so far:

1. You have improved you perception of the truth.

2. You realise that your old truth wasn't wrong, but it was

limited. "

Take care!

- Hans

[Guest guest]

Hans what if the book " Loving What Is " already existed in the mind of

God and was just a channel for it into this world (dream).

Sound too impossible to be true? Maybe/Maybe not. Are you familiar

with the book " A Course in Miracles " ? This book (according to the

scribe Helen) was written as a result of channeling a book by Jesus

into this world.

Maybe all the books have already been written in the universal

intelligence of God.

*****Maybe all actions, feelings, reactions, events ...

everything ... has already been written, and our perceptual

experience of it is just a " catching up " ? Maybe time, which is

apparent " movement, " is the vehicle which allows this illusion

(of 'becoming') to happen. Certainly this belief is counter-

intuitive -- it challenges everything our senses and our

conditioning " tell " us, but it would have to be that way, wouldn't

it, for the illusion to operate effectively.

Each author channels one or more of those books into this world, then

they tell the story of how they wrote it.

*****This reminds me of what I've heard several psychotherapists

say: " People do things. And then, afterwards, explain 'why' they did

them. " Actions happen...through people. However people are not the

orginators of the actions. After the action is completed, the

rational mind sometimes is able to provide a cogent and compelling

story as to why such actions were done. But the explanation is

always in retrospect and it always appears out of the conditioned

patterns of a particular brain.

Now for you or anyone else to really grasp what I am saying is quite

terrifing because I am blowing your religion, your story that books

are written by authors and scientists make discoveries.

*****Perhaps not so terrifying. Some bodymind organisms will be able

to assimilate this understanding, and some wont. Even that too is

part of the Plan. ;-)

[Guest guest]

Dear Loving,

Am 03.08.2004 um 09:28 schrieb lovetheworkofbk:

>

>

> > The key to inner peace is to love what you have. Try that. And

> > again. And again.

> > You can't understand? Love it.

>

> Not my experience at all .

I understand.

> I think the key to inner peace is

> to question my stressful thoughts and turn them around.

>

> When I have undone all my stressful thoughts, then I can love what I

> have because all that is left is love.

Undo *all* your stressful thoughts, *then* love?

Sounds like a long way to love…

Try to love this moment, until a stressful thought arises. *Then*

inquire.

And what is your reaction to that " stressful " thought, after you

inquired?

And how can you know that you undid *all* thoughts?

After my experience there is nothing that would keep me from

experiencing the love I am, unless I *attach* to a thought that arises.

> People have advised others for centuries to love your neighbour, to

> love what you have. Have you noticed that it never works? That's what

> I love about the Work of BK, she doesn't ask us to love anything,

> just inquire into our stressful thinking and in that I find

> thg " real " love that was always there.

That is my experience, too.

It's because you can not *make* you love someone. And I am not asking

you to do it. And the only way I know to do it, is to do the inquiry.

> Being what is ... love.

>

Love,

[Guest guest]

, calls it the " heart mind " the other polarity to

the " I know mind " . Do you understand what I am talking about now?

Is this concept useful? Well obviously finds it useful or she

wouldn't use it.

*****I would say that all we can assert is that uses it. No

question of that. However...why she uses is ( " she finds it useful " )

is an overlay to what is, a human interpretation, which, perhaps, is

not necessary (although we often find ourselves compelled to do so).

I have a different name, but I have a story that we are talking about

the same thing. The BK video tape " Prison of the Mind " also provides

an excellent demonstration of how useful this concept can be. Well

that's my story, could be different for others.

*****Oh, it is, it is. The infinite permutations of Being. Each

apparent entity, a manifestation of Consciousness, " sees " and

experiences life in its own way (and yet there is enough similarity

between the many " seeings " so that phenomenal life doesn't descend

into utter chaos). Kind of reminds me of the Star Trek notion of the

IDIC: Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combination.

When this understanding finally sunk in deeply enough, it allowed a

broad and immense tolerance to surface. It ushered in an

appreciation of why individuals " see " and believe such different

things, even when presented with identical " evidence. " There is no

concrete, external " evidence " which exists (neither do the

individuals if you want to get down to rock bottom, the

Absolute...but for the purposes of this dialogue let's consider that

they do, otherwise, why even have the dialogue: nothing 'talking'

to 'nothing'...Hahaha!!!).

What does manifest is a perception of the " evidence, " born out of the

individuals' innate conditioning-in-the-moment. Three individuals

witness a two cars colliding at an intersection. There arises

three " realities " of the collision born out of the three, unique,

innate conditionings-in-the-moment. And in billions upon billions of

interactions, moment to moment, there arises the infinite variety

of " realities " that we discuss, argue about, fight about, even kill

for. It is at once hysterical and tragic, depending on the

perception that is operating at that moment.

There is no reality " outside " of perception. In the confluence of

an " external " object/event and an " internal " observer,

phenomenal " reality " is born. In the absence of either object or

observer, *nothing* exists.

[Guest guest]

I do believe that inventions are made possible through God who is

constantly changing, constantly recycling himself and constantly

reinventing himself.

*****Inventions, as with everything appearing in phenomenality, IS

God. There is exactly One Thing, unicity...which is God (or Love, or

Consciousness, or Totality, or whatever is your favorite term).

God created everything - there is only One Power in the Universe;

nothing can exist outside of this Power of Consciousness, this Great

Spirit of Life; therefore, because this Spirit is present in every

personality that It has created, the 'Personality' of God can be

discovered Everywhere, and in every thing.

*****God IS everything. Nothing exists except The One. Everything

that appears to exist, independently, is simply a manifestation of

that One.

Billions of people think of God as being the Power of Love alone,

but in fact 'He' expresses 'Himself' through the three mighty forces

of Creation, Preservation and Transformation (or Destruction). He is

a Living and Evolving Spirit whose personality is perhaps most

evident in Nature, where life-forms are continuously 'created'

then 'destroyed' (sometimes by cataclysmic forces) only to be later

re-formed into 'new' creations.

*****Everything is an arising of the One. It is as 'present' in a

brick, or a dog turd, as in the trees, the animals, and people. No

appearance of God is any more " elevated " or " sacred " than another.

The entire Arising is a God Appearance.

And this concept of " new " is very vast but simple.

Where we have been and done, we have experienced, were others have

been and done, they can share with us.

My body can not go down in splits because I one day realize that it

can be done, my body has to evolve to that physical possibility.

The seed of our soul can not light up an entire universe, my soul

has to evolve to that spiritual possibility. My width and gerth of

wisdom can not encompass all details that are, my wisdom has to

evolve in it's width and gerth of knowledge.

*****There are no individual souls. There is only God,

manifestating, momentarily, as apparent entities. There is exactly

One Thing which Is, and that Thing is No-Thing...it can't even be

talked about (the Tao of which is spoken is not the Tao).

For I believe wisdom is simply the proper application of knowledge,

aligned with the harmony of nature itself.

So I can understand why and how you believe that way you do, it

doesn't make any difference to me.

*****Nor should it. You have your 'reality' to experience, and

others', theirs. There is no reason why there should be a

perfect 'fit' betwixt any of them. Some similarities, yes, else

there would be utter chaos. But full agreement, total harmony? The

evidence suggests that this is not how this particular phenomenal

universe functions.

But you seem to have misunderstood me a bit, I do believe that all

that is today in knowledge is out there, accesible, yet I also at

the same time believe that the conditions and circumstances has to

be in a certain state of being for that access to happen even the

slightest. Nothing remarkable to me, nothing even close to stress,

just simply what is

And... none of us are without stories in our perception, for the

moment we concieve a perception, it is a story.

*****Yes. That is all we can know.

Be it very aligned with reality or not, still a view of the sky.

*****If it is perceived, it *is* 'our' reality, regardless of how it

conflicts with another's perceptions/reality.

" Ask yourself:

Why is it that we all the time, end up in arguments that lead to

harsh words and hard feelings? Why is it necessary, always to

convince your opponents in every argument, that you are right?

*****If the understanding you elucidate below is fully grasped,

arguments are not necessary (or, at least the investment in being

right). Person X is 'right' and Person Y is 'right' -- even though

they disagree. But appreciating, and living this understanding,

requires a very strong sense of security and a tremendous amount of

tolerance, not something that is easy to come by as the daily news

displays.

In every argument, our opinion is formed by our lifelong experience,

which of course makes it absolutely unique and true, from my point

of view. This makes it my illusion of life! "

*****Yes, the innate conditioning-in-the-moment functions as the eye-

glasses through which 'reality' appears to each individual. There is

no escaping it, although it changes, moment to moment. Each new

sensory input alters the " wiring " -- sometimes slightly, sometimes

greatly.

" Now, imagine the blue sky, as being the pure and absolute truth and

the clouds, as being obstacles that prevent you from seeing the

whole truth. From were you stand your view of the sky will provide a

certain pattern of clouds and shapes, making it your `truth'. Your

friend, standing a mile away, will see another pattern and other

shapes and is also claiming to see the `truth'.

*****Not even a mile away....that " other " could be standing right

next to you. It is not physical location which determines the

discrepancies in the " seeing, " it is the innate conditioning-in-the-

moment that does. But the basic understanding you articulate above

is correct.

But never the less you and your friend are having an argument.

*****Perhaps. However, if the understanding you put forth is

operative in both you and your friend, no argument will happen. Only

big grins from two who get the joke. :-)))))

Some areas of the sky may be visible to both of you, enabling you to

agree on this particular part of the `truth'.

*****Absolutely necessary, else phenomenal life on this planet would

descend into utter chaos.

So, what happens if you make an effort to travel to the position of

your friend and look at the sky from there?

Suddenly you are able to see areas of the sky/truth that you

couldn't see before and you now can appreciate the view of your

friend.

This has happened so far:

1. You have improved you perception of the truth.

2. You realise that your old truth wasn't wrong, but it was

limited. "

*****All perception is limited, all knowing is limited, as they

function through the innate conditioning-in-the-moment which " colors "

every thing, event, experience. But there is nothing to experience,

see, taste, touch, feel, think...outside of the conditioning. That

is the vehicle through which the individual interacts with the

world. There are interactions without conditioning...but then the

individual (as a sense-of-self), is not 'there' at the moment...there

is just whatever is happening.