Re: The role of the moderator on this list

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>

> Hi all,

>

> I was wondering whether the moderator(s) should be perhaps a little

> more active in politely reminding others about the stated purpose of

> this group i.e.

>

> " This group is intended to support people interested in experiencing

> the four questions and the internal clarity and kindness that enter

> our lives as a result. It is intended to focus on the sourcebook for

> The Work, Loving What Is. "

>

> I enjoy a bit of off-topic discussion as much as the next person, but

> how much is enough? Should the moderator(s) be more active

> in " enforcing " the stated purpose for those who insist on doing their

> own thing?

>

> Any thoughts?

Yes, here's one: " Neo should get out of Andy's business and do his own

Work. "

Here's another: " List members should follow the simple directions and

do the Work. "

Here's my Work on them:

Neo should get out of Andy's business and do his own Work.

* Is that true?

It sure seems like it from here.

* Can I absolutely know it's true?

It hard to know anything absolutely. But...

* Can I know more than God about how Neo should behave?

No, I can't.

* Can I know that I'd be happier in the long run if Neo were

different?

No, I can't

* Can I know what's best for Neo's path?

No

* Can I even know what's best for my path?

No

* How do I react when I think and believe that Neo should get out of

Andy's business and do his own Work?

There's a hot ball of flame in my chest -- righteous indignation and

anger. I'm sure I know what's best. I get in Neo's business. I get to

be right. I get to make Neo wrong in my mind. The thought brings me

lots of stress. It's supposed to guide me in my response to Neo in a

helpful way, but all it really produces is stress and upset. It costs

me my peace of mind. Reasons to drop this belief: to get out of Neo's

business and back in my own, to stop stressing over Neo's words, to

have the clarity to act cleanly and honestly when moved to. Reasons to

keep this belief: to be right (stressful), to start a war (stressful),

to push Neo to do the Work (stressful). I see no stress-free reasons

to keep the thought.

* Who would I be without the thought that Neo should get out of Andy's

business and do his own Work?

Watching in amazement and gratitude as the list moderates itself.

Appreciative of Neo's feedback, and of Andy's input. Present to what's

up for me right now, not distracted by all the other voices in my life

tugging at my awareness.

* Turn-arounds

I should get out of Neo's business and do my own Work. (woo hoo!

That's what I'm doing.

I should get out of my own business and do the Work. (Yes, that's true

too - if I see moderating the list as my business, I get stress)

I get to stay in my thinking's business by doing the Work. (It's a

privilege and seems to serve me incredibly well.)

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List members should follow the simple directions and do the Work.

* Is that true?

Well, duh! Of course it is.

* Can I absolutely know that that's true? Can I absolutely know that

they're not doing the Work?

No, I can't. They might be doing it on paper and just posting their

insights. They may have evolved to the point that they don't need

paper anymore. I still seem to, but that doesn't mean anything about

anyone else.

* How do I react when I think that thought?

I want to post thousands of messages saying, " Follow the simple

direction. Do the Work. " I want to control their behavior. I want to

guilt them into compliance. I want to dictate each key they press on

their computer keyboard to make sure they're doing it " right "

according to moi. My face gets tight and intense and my fingers

fidget, wanting to take control. I'm in everyone's business but my

own.

This thought brings stress and lots of it. It's supposed to be

helpful. It's supposed to prompt me to *do* something when the list

gets off topic. It's supposed to encourage me to stay in charge and

enforce the list " rules " . (Ha! " There are list rules. " That's a good

one.

Reasons to drop this thought: to get out of everyone else's business,

to stop pressuring myself about the list staying on topic, to

recognize that I'm not in control. Reasons to keep this thought: none,

stress-free or otherwise.

* Who would I be without this thought?

Present, using the list for my own growth without worrying about how

others are using it. Able to welcome everyone who comes. Trusting the

process. At peace.

* Turn-arounds

List members should not follow the simple directions or do the Work.

Apparently not, if they don't.

I should follow the simple directions and do the Work. Yes! I should.

I get to follow the simple directions and do the Work. Yes, it's a

privilege and life and the list point me to all my stressful thoughts

so I can do the Work on them. Thank you!

Tom

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what timbre in this master carved instrument of peace . No ... " this

is the world ' s smallest violin playing my heart ' s fears and

watching Rome burn " here at all . Just notes of pure living water

.... scalded cats always run away from water , silly critters , it '

s free !

>

>>

>> Hi all,

>>

>> I was wondering whether the moderator(s) should be perhaps a little

>> more active in politely reminding others about the stated purpose of

>> this group i.e.

>>

>> " This group is intended to support people interested in experiencing

>> the four questions and the internal clarity and kindness that enter

>> our lives as a result. It is intended to focus on the sourcebook for

>> The Work, Loving What Is. "

>>

>> I enjoy a bit of off-topic discussion as much as the next person, but

>> how much is enough? Should the moderator(s) be more active

>> in " enforcing " the stated purpose for those who insist on doing their

>> own thing?

>>

>> Any thoughts?

>

> Yes, here's one: " Neo should get out of Andy's business and do his own

> Work. "

>

> Here's another: " List members should follow the simple directions and

> do the Work. "

>

> Here's my Work on them:

>

> Neo should get out of Andy's business and do his own Work.

>

> * Is that true?

>

> It sure seems like it from here.

>

> * Can I absolutely know it's true?

>

> It hard to know anything absolutely. But...

>

> * Can I know more than God about how Neo should behave?

>

> No, I can't.

>

> * Can I know that I'd be happier in the long run if Neo were

> different?

>

> No, I can't

>

> * Can I know what's best for Neo's path?

>

> No

>

> * Can I even know what's best for my path?

>

> No

>

> * How do I react when I think and believe that Neo should get out of

> Andy's business and do his own Work?

>

> There's a hot ball of flame in my chest -- righteous indignation and

> anger. I'm sure I know what's best. I get in Neo's business. I get to

> be right. I get to make Neo wrong in my mind. The thought brings me

> lots of stress. It's supposed to guide me in my response to Neo in a

> helpful way, but all it really produces is stress and upset. It costs

> me my peace of mind. Reasons to drop this belief: to get out of Neo's

> business and back in my own, to stop stressing over Neo's words, to

> have the clarity to act cleanly and honestly when moved to. Reasons to

> keep this belief: to be right (stressful), to start a war (stressful),

> to push Neo to do the Work (stressful). I see no stress-free reasons

> to keep the thought.

>

> * Who would I be without the thought that Neo should get out of Andy's

> business and do his own Work?

>

> Watching in amazement and gratitude as the list moderates itself.

> Appreciative of Neo's feedback, and of Andy's input. Present to what's

> up for me right now, not distracted by all the other voices in my life

> tugging at my awareness.

>

> * Turn-arounds

>

> I should get out of Neo's business and do my own Work. (woo hoo!

> That's what I'm doing.

>

> I should get out of my own business and do the Work. (Yes, that's true

> too - if I see moderating the list as my business, I get stress)

>

> I get to stay in my thinking's business by doing the Work. (It's a

> privilege and seems to serve me incredibly well.)

>

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

> -

>

> List members should follow the simple directions and do the Work.

>

> * Is that true?

>

> Well, duh! Of course it is.

>

> * Can I absolutely know that that's true? Can I absolutely know that

> they're not doing the Work?

>

> No, I can't. They might be doing it on paper and just posting their

> insights. They may have evolved to the point that they don't need

> paper anymore. I still seem to, but that doesn't mean anything about

> anyone else.

>

> * How do I react when I think that thought?

>

> I want to post thousands of messages saying, " Follow the simple

> direction. Do the Work. " I want to control their behavior. I want to

> guilt them into compliance. I want to dictate each key they press on

> their computer keyboard to make sure they're doing it " right "

> according to moi. My face gets tight and intense and my fingers

> fidget, wanting to take control. I'm in everyone's business but my

> own.

>

> This thought brings stress and lots of it. It's supposed to be

> helpful. It's supposed to prompt me to *do* something when the list

> gets off topic. It's supposed to encourage me to stay in charge and

> enforce the list " rules " . (Ha! " There are list rules. " That's a good

> one.

>

> Reasons to drop this thought: to get out of everyone else's business,

> to stop pressuring myself about the list staying on topic, to

> recognize that I'm not in control. Reasons to keep this thought: none,

> stress-free or otherwise.

>

> * Who would I be without this thought?

>

> Present, using the list for my own growth without worrying about how

> others are using it. Able to welcome everyone who comes. Trusting the

> process. At peace.

>

> * Turn-arounds

>

> List members should not follow the simple directions or do the Work.

> Apparently not, if they don't.

>

> I should follow the simple directions and do the Work. Yes! I should.

>

> I get to follow the simple directions and do the Work. Yes, it's a

> privilege and life and the list point me to all my stressful thoughts

> so I can do the Work on them. Thank you!

>

> Tom

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

*lol* good one, Neo!

I know this can be considered outdated already, but my impression was:

I don't know about the moderator, but *you* seem to like reminding us.

Thank you!

Am 01.07.2004 um 02:38 schrieb zenbear01:

>

> Hi all,

>

> I was wondering whether the moderator(s) should be perhaps a little

> more active in politely reminding others about the stated purpose of

> this group i.e.

>

> " This group is intended to support people interested in experiencing

> the four questions and the internal clarity and kindness that enter

> our lives as a result. It is intended to focus on the sourcebook for

> The Work, Loving What Is. "

>

> I enjoy a bit of off-topic discussion as much as the next person, but

> how much is enough? Should the moderator(s) be more active

> in " enforcing " the stated purpose for those who insist on doing their

> own thing?

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Loving what is, and that would be you.

>

>

> Neo

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