Guest guest Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 Welcome Tim, and lucky you to have real milk! You can learn plenty here - lots of knowledge and help. How long have you been on real milk? When you switched, what kind of health benefits did you experience? -Blair > I'm Tim, and live in Missouri. My wife and I are raw dairy consumers, and > want to learn more about kefir and other raw milk products. > > Thanks, > Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 On Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:03 am, Blair had said: >Welcome Tim, and lucky you to have real milk! >You can learn plenty here - lots of knowledge and help. > >How long have you been on real milk? When you switched, what kind >of health benefits did you experience? Blair: I had signed up to RawDairy for daily digests... and so far no digests have shown up. But I saw your note on the web page so I thought I'd respond. Yes, we're fortunate to live in a state that allows direct farm sales by farmers to consumers of raw milk. There's also a dairy that makes certified organic raw milk cheeses that we buy all the time... for a very reasonable price. I guess I first started drinking raw milk back in the 1970's, off and on. My wife and I had pretty good sources of raw milk when we lived in Arkansas in the 1980's... you could purchase raw milk in health food stores in glass bottles where we lived. One grocery store even carried raw milk! In the late 80's, we moved to Idaho for several years. We naturally sought out a source of raw milk. Found an older farm couple who had a cow and sold milk. But after drinking it for a while, we were really having problems digesting it. It just didn't agree. Thought maybe we were developing lactose intolerance or something. So very reluctantly, we quit. Fast forward to a few years ago. We were visiting friends who had just purchased a jersey. Did we want to try some milk? Well, I thought it was sure worth a try... maybe the problem had gone away. Sure did miss drinking milk. To make a long story short, there was no problem whatsoever. We got goat milk from other friends. No problem there either. So we started putting 2 and 2 together. The lady out in Idaho happened to work for an experiment station that tested potato varieties. One of the tests involved frying potatoes to evaluate color. Rumor was that they seldom changed the oil, so no one ever wanted to eat the fries and chips. The lady with the cow really liked to take those old fries home and feed them to her cow. I think what was happening was that the cow was eating all those french fries fried in rancid oil... which was somehow affecting the milk, making it hard for us to digest. Mystery solved, and we're back to enjoying raw milk products again. Health benefits? Can't say for sure. Haven't bought store-bough milk since the 80's, when we became aware of the xanthine oxidase problem from the homogenization process. So I can't give an A/B comparison between switching from store-bought to raw milk. But it's so much better anyway... why would anyone want anything else? One measurable health benefit was a story told to us by one farmer that we buy milk from. He had an elderly lady for a customer who had osteoporosis. She says that after drinking raw milk, that her bone density measurements actually increased. Pretty neat, I'd say. It wasn't happening on the store-bought stuff. BTW, if I'm slow to respond to e-mail, it's because the digests are slow to come to me. Hope they're working correctly. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Hi Tim, I'm envious that you knew about raw milk for a good long while! I never even knew it existed until a short 6 months ago! As for the daily digests, I suspect a lot has to do with volume. The past few days the volume has really lowered. You'd get them more regularly if more emails were generated. Maybe you'd like to try switching over to "individual emails" for a while until the volume picks up again then you can switch back to daily digests? Just an idea. Wow, that's a great detective story about the cow eating rancid fries and affecting milk! Better than the one of cows eating Skittles to sweeten up the milk (no kidding! A member had posted to this list about that, and got one reply going "Dear Lord"). And people honestly think the antibiotics and growth hormones put in cow's milk will not end up in them (people)?! Huh! Sara Minnesota Re: Introduction - Tim On Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:03 am, Blair had said:>Welcome Tim, and lucky you to have real milk!>You can learn plenty here - lots of knowledge and help.>>How long have you been on real milk? When you switched, what kind>of health benefits did you experience?Blair:I had signed up to RawDairy for daily digests... and so far no digests have shown up. But I saw your note on the web page so I thought I'd respond.Yes, we're fortunate to live in a state that allows direct farm sales by farmers to consumers of raw milk. There's also a dairy that makes certified organic raw milk cheeses that we buy all the time... for a very reasonable price.I guess I first started drinking raw milk back in the 1970's, off and on. My wife and I had pretty good sources of raw milk when we lived in Arkansas in the 1980's... you could purchase raw milk in health food stores in glass bottles where we lived. One grocery store even carried raw milk!In the late 80's, we moved to Idaho for several years. We naturally sought out a source of raw milk. Found an older farm couple who had a cow and sold milk. But after drinking it for a while, we were really having problems digesting it. It just didn't agree. Thought maybe we were developing lactose intolerance or something. So very reluctantly, we quit.Fast forward to a few years ago. We were visiting friends who had just purchased a jersey. Did we want to try some milk? Well, I thought it was sure worth a try... maybe the problem had gone away. Sure did miss drinking milk.To make a long story short, there was no problem whatsoever. We got goat milk from other friends. No problem there either.So we started putting 2 and 2 together. The lady out in Idaho happened to work for an experiment station that tested potato varieties. One of the tests involved frying potatoes to evaluate color. Rumor was that they seldom changed the oil, so no one ever wanted to eat the fries and chips.The lady with the cow really liked to take those old fries home and feed them to her cow. I think what was happening was that the cow was eating all those french fries fried in rancid oil... which was somehow affecting the milk, making it hard for us to digest.Mystery solved, and we're back to enjoying raw milk products again.Health benefits? Can't say for sure. Haven't bought store-bough milk since the 80's, when we became aware of the xanthine oxidase problem from the homogenization process. So I can't give an A/B comparison between switching from store-bought to raw milk. But it's so much better anyway... why would anyone want anything else?One measurable health benefit was a story told to us by one farmer that we buy milk from. He had an elderly lady for a customer who had osteoporosis. She says that after drinking raw milk, that her bone density measurements actually increased. Pretty neat, I'd say. It wasn't happening on the store-bought stuff.BTW, if I'm slow to respond to e-mail, it's because the digests are slow to come to me. Hope they're working correctly.TimTo learn more about Raw Dairy, visit our home pages at http://www.midvalleyvu.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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